The Good, The Bad and the Awful against the Jags

[Bandwagon]

lets call up ray rice boys

[Cville-Raven]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Although he leaves a lot to be desired as a runner, I would like to see Buck Allen activated next week to play some of these passing downs, assuming Dixon is still in recovery of course.  West isn't much of a factor in the passing game and Forsett just isn't making anything happen.  We aren't using Juice much either, and we know Flacco likes throwing to guys coming out of the backfield.  It'd be nice to have that threat out of the backfield again.

Yeah this is what I'm saying. He's got the best YAC ability of the group. Might as well use him if the ground game is going to be this useless.

[jjengel]

27 minutes ago, D_UP said:

The offense is terrible. The offense line can't run or pass block. 

The defense and tucker saved the day.

I agree completely.  Not really a fan of trestman.  Wallace has got to make that catch

[PurpleCity5]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Outside of a couple of plays in quarters 1-3, Suggs was pretty much a total non-factor.  We really need him to pick it up.  The good thing is that we see the flashes here and there to show that he does still have some juice left.

I think he's still working himself back. Good to see he's showing some off of the old sacks. Especially when he pushed Joekel back hard and peeled off with ease for that clutch sack. 

[Davesta]

We need to use buck and Dixon more. Harbs too afraid to pull the trigger and bench the veteran. 

[Bryden88]

The Good - We won, our defense, first half Flacco

The bad - Second Half Flacco/Jaguars making determined plays to get the ball back

The awful - "Ravens fans" bashing their own team.

[MTRavensFan]

I saw Suggs being held and double-teamed a lot.

Also, if Stanley's going to have growing pains, at least we're seeing it in a win.

[Cville-Raven]

Just now, Davesta said:

We need to use buck and Dixon more. Harbs too afraid to pull the trigger and bench the veteran. 

You do realize Dixon is injured right?

[ratedr]

Bad: The second half offense, special teams, and this stupid dink and dunk Trestman insists on employing

Good: Defense, we won, and Jacksonville is incredibly stupid

It looks like our strategy this year is "win until we're actually good." We need to get much better but I'm okay with it. Much rather be the worst 3-0 team than the best 0-3 team like we were last year.

[mdrsharon]

Offense is awful. I respect Joe's crazy good talents, but he needs to get more creative. Trestman is Cam from years ago. Look how great the offense was with Kubiak, a creative guy who worked great with Joe. We need that kind of offensive planner.

[ellicottraven]

Here's my good: We squeaked out another improbable win. 

The bad: The offense and its coordinator's play calling.

The awful: Just how we let bad teams linger on and give them chances upon chances to win.

[Militant X 1]

39 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Why can we not:

1) Run the ball

2) Create Mis-matches

3) Run Slants and crosses

4) See any kind of Red zone production

5) See any kind of Creativity

I'll be nice and just say that it is perplexing isn't it?

39 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

My head hurts.  So much good, so much bad, all in one game.

Mine to M3.  I never had more ups and downs of being hyped up on good plays and pissed off over bad plays.  Our boys had my emotions all over the place this game.

36 minutes ago, Florida Ravens Fan said:

Good-special teams

Bad- offense and offense playcalling

Ugly- Shareece

Horrendous- run game and zuttah

We cant continue to play like this against "better" teams. 

* Pees did make adjustment and put jimmy on the wr burning us thats a plus.

 

 

 

He had 1 hot game and then got pissed on the next 2.  Smh!

[The Raven]

Is there any way we can dump Trestman? I'm not normally one to blame things on coordinators but he's horrendous. I'm not sure we have anyone that could step into OC if we did fire him. Whatever his system is, it's not working. His play calling is worse than Cameron's and his philosophy in general just seems, uneven.

In coaching circles, there's this saying: "Do you have a system, or do you have a collection of plays?" I'm starting to think that Trestman lacks an actual system.

[rmw10]

Just now, The Raven said:

Is there any way we can dump Trestman? I'm not normally one to blame things on coordinators but he's horrendous. I'm not sure we have anyone that could step into OC if we did fire him. Whatever his system is, it's not working. His play calling is worse than Cameron's and his philosophy in general just seems, uneven.

In coaching circles, there's this saying: "Do you have a system, or do you have a collection of plays?" I'm starting to think that Trestman lacks an actual system.

I'm with you.  I've never been one to really pin the blame on coordinators, but it's clear we have the talent this year and Trestman just isn't using it.  His collection of plays looks mediocre at best.  It blows my mind how many times the first read on a third down is designed to stop short of the sticks.  I don't think it's much coincidence that the best set of plays are because of Flacco - his audible into Wallace's long TD in week 1 and his request to open it up last week.

[sharkh20]

3 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Is there any way we can dump Trestman? I'm not normally one to blame things on coordinators but he's horrendous. I'm not sure we have anyone that could step into OC if we did fire him. Whatever his system is, it's not working. His play calling is worse than Cameron's and his philosophy in general just seems, uneven.

In coaching circles, there's this saying: "Do you have a system, or do you have a collection of plays?" I'm starting to think that Trestman lacks an actual system.

He has a system.  It is just a stupid one.

Edited September 25, 2016 by sharkh20

[Militant X 1]

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

Is there any way we can dump Trestman? I'm not normally one to blame things on coordinators but he's horrendous. I'm not sure we have anyone that could step into OC if we did fire him. Whatever his system is, it's not working. His play calling is worse than Cameron's and his philosophy in general just seems, uneven.

In coaching circles, there's this saying: "Do you have a system, or do you have a collection of plays?" I'm starting to think that Trestman lacks an actual system.

I actually thought the same thing last week after seeing the same ole' stuff being called over and over again.  And then when Joe had to tell him we're just getting small yards we need to get chunks.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Flacco was 29/40 with 21 of those coming during his consecutive streak.  After that it was like the wheels came off the bus.

[AppStRavenfan]

4 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Is there any way we can dump Trestman? I'm not normally one to blame things on coordinators but he's horrendous. I'm not sure we have anyone that could step into OC if we did fire him. Whatever his system is, it's not working. His play calling is worse than Cameron's and his philosophy in general just seems, uneven.

In coaching circles, there's this saying: "Do you have a system, or do you have a collection of plays?" I'm starting to think that Trestman lacks an actual system.

There's no chance whatsoever that we dump him after a W, it'd probably take a string of really really ugly performances in losses to finally get rid of him. We're just going to have to suck it up for the time being unfortunately

[ravensdfan]

In a game where we seemed determined to provide a lot of ugly, Trestman is the ugliest. Over that experiement. Surely there is someone better around.

There were so many good things in this game too. First half offense in general & first half Flacco. They found their rhythm and their chemistry. Then Trestman's play calling screwed all that up in the 2nd half. But, they did get the job done at the end.

Special teams. Good job and saved us from a loss.

Two minute defense did their job and did it in convincing fashion. Nice to see.

A shout out to Jags who just really helped us out a lot lol

 

[sharkh20]

Marc Trestman offense is like trying to go sledding with no snow.

[ratedr]

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Is there any way we can dump Trestman? I'm not normally one to blame things on coordinators but he's horrendous. I'm not sure we have anyone that could step into OC if we did fire him. Whatever his system is, it's not working. His play calling is worse than Cameron's and his philosophy in general just seems, uneven.

In coaching circles, there's this saying: "Do you have a system, or do you have a collection of plays?" I'm starting to think that Trestman lacks an actual system.

I would take Cam any day over Trestman. At least Cam would call a deep play every once in a while. I thought the whole point of keeping these short was to loosen up the backend? It's a joke.

[The Raven]

I also hate Trestman's routes in the passing game. Most of his passing plays all attack the same level of the defense. That's moronic. What Kubiak and Belichick and other good offenses do is attack three levels of the defense. Short, intermediate, and deep. That concept is lost on Trestman.

He runs a lot of gimmicky plays, but he never does anything to set them up. He doesn't set anything up. He doesn't build on anything. 

He seems to just straight up forget about the run game sometimes. And he doesn't know how to use his personnel at all.

[jimmypowder]

41 minutes ago, AppStRavenfan said:

Great News: Somehow we are fantastic at blocking FGs

Good News: We won

Bad News: We won, so Trestman will remain employed

When you can tell 5 seconds before the ball is snapped it's gonna be a run out of the shotgun , then you know  Trestman is a major problem . 

Edited September 25, 2016 by jimmypowder

[allblackraven]

This is like watching last season all over again, only we now win. Is that because we're healthy? I don't know whether this is bad or good but I like our W column.

[Jacquouille]

I'm thinking, is that Buffalo OC still available? They had the best rushing offense with him last year, he'd fit...

Edited September 25, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Moderator 3]

Still not convinced it's Trestman.  Our execution left a lot of yards uncollected.  My gut tell me we're going to continue to improve. 

[ellicottraven]

I think we need to hire an offensive assistant like Saunders who can come up and help with creative game planning. Trestman isn't doing a swell job so far. Why not Roman? He may add something to our offense. He worked with Jim Harbaugh for several years and is available and is getting paid anyway by the Bills? I say hire him to help with the offense.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, The Raven said:

I also hate Trestman's routes in the passing game. Most of his passing plays all attack the same level of the defense. That's moronic. What Kubiak and Belichick and other good offenses do is attack three levels of the defense. Short, intermediate, and deep. That concept is lost on Trestman.

He runs a lot of gimmicky plays, but he never does anything to set them up. He doesn't set anything up. He doesn't build on anything. 

He seems to just straight up forget about the run game sometimes. And he doesn't know how to use his personnel at all.

Chicago fans all said the same things about him. Where there's smoke...

[bravensfan52]

Good:3-0, the D Wright withstanding

Bad: Run game, play calling, and the center of the OLINE.... Zutta you got to go Lewis you need to get stronger at POA.

Ugly: That heat today was Brutal. People were passing out left and right.

[AppStRavenfan]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm thinking, is that Buffalo OC still available? They had the best rushing offense with him last year, I'm thinking he's fit...

No way we would bring in an outside coordinator midseason, we'd hire and interim. Trying to implement a new system - because the new coach would be coming in with no experience within the previous one - midseason is a recipe for disaster