The Good, The Bad and the Awful against the Jags

[Cville-Raven]

58 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Jax fans are SO mad right now, especially at Steve Smith. Apparently he's not a Hall of Fame caliber WR lol

Yeah because they would know a lot about that...

[808Blackbirds]

 

Tebow-ish

[Warren]

20 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Bernie Kosar had his best season under Trestman. They went to the AFCCG. He wasn't fired bc of the offense. The staff was fired for losing 3 straight seasons in the AFCCG. 

The 49ers offense was tops in the league under him. 

He also helped make Rich Gannon an MVP and directed an offense that led the Raiders to a SB. 

He also had a top offense in Arizona and helped them to their first winning season and playoff appearance in like 2 decades. 

He's never coordinated a team with a losing record besides last year. Made the playoffs in all but one season. Coordinated 2 league leading offense and 3 league leading passing games. Helped 3 different QBs to career years (and had Flacco on pace for one last year before injury).  

To say he's been unsuccessful as a coordinator is ridiculous. I don't know what your measure of success is for an OC... but wins, playoff appearances, QB play and offensive production are all decent indicators and he's been near top notch in all of them. 

You don't have to like him... but don't lie or make stuff up. 

You're totally wrong. First of all, Bernie Kosar only played under him as offensive coordinator in 1989, and that was not his best year. Bud Carson was the head coach in 1989.  In 1988, Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach and called the plays. Trestman was QB coach and did not call plays. 

Kosar's best years were under Lindy Infante, 86 & 87, Marc Trestman was not on the staff during those years. Bud Carson fired Trestman in the off season following the 1989 season and hired Jim Shoffner as the offensive coordinator. Also Bud Carson only coached the Browns to one AFCC and was fired during the 1990 season. Marty coached the Browns in 86 & 87 AFC Championship games.

During the entire 1989 season, Trestman was under fire for how poorly the offense was performing. The media and fans were calling for his firing. 

Go do your research or better yet, call one of the Cleveland sport stations.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Warren

[wizard1]

4 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

If my aunt had cojones, would she be my uncle?

See, that's how quotes work.   lol

Got it. Some things are better off unexplored ! lol

[K-Dog]

5 hours ago, jboy19 said:

Don't say that name or he'll show up talking about Flacco needing to cut 15 pounds of lower body fat, adding 10 pounds of arm and neck muscle, then trading him and the first round pick for 26 Future Round Two picks. 

I don't know who you are, but that was awesome. 

[Tank 92]

35 minutes ago, Warren said:

You're totally wrong. First of all, Bernie Kosar only played under him as offensive coordinator in 1989, and that was not his best year. Bud Carson was the head coach in 1989.  In 1988, Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach and called the plays. Trestman was QB coach and did not call plays. 

Kosar's best years were under Lindy Infante, 86 & 87, Marc Trestman was not on the staff during those years. Bud Carson fired Trestman in the off season following the 1989 season and hired Jim Shoffner as the offensive coordinator. Also Bud Carson only coached the Browns to one AFCC and was fired during the 1990 season. Marty coached the Browns in 86 & 87 AFC Championship games.

During the entire 1989 season, Trestman was under fire for how poorly the offense was performing. The media and fans were calling for his firing. 

Go do your research or better yet, call one of the Cleveland sport stations.

dag, sensitive, aren't we?  

Don't be hatin' on my man, we try real hard around here to forget the brownies history.   

[Militant X 1]

6 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well of course not... but everyone is figuring themselves out right now. My take on the NFL is that, in the first 4-6 weeks teams mostly beat themselves. If you play sound football and dont make too many mistakes early in the season - you usually win.

I think the better teams are the ones that find a way early. I mean, is a team that looked really good in 2 wins but gets blown out in the 3rd "better" than the team that eeks out 3 wins below expectation? 

And, yea, I expected wins in all 3 games... but i didnt expect us to kill the Bills or Jags. No one should have. Its the NFL. As we saw last year, the difference between a 5-11 team and a 11-5 team is a matter of 1 or 2 plays a game. Thats it. No one is blowing people out every week - just doesnt happen.

We've never been a team to do that anyways. At our best we maybe have had 1-2 blowout type wins in a season. We'll still finding out stride on offense, and dont even have our best pass rusher on D yet. Things will still mightily improve.

Taking our wins thus far as "less" bc of the opponents is stupid. You can only beat who they put in front of you. And winning by 1 or 20 doesnt make one iota of difference except for how the MMQB's feel about them... 

Interesting how everyone can see the same things so differently.  

 

[DomMcRaven]

21 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

I ordered a black CJ Mosely jersey earlier last week and since then he's had 2 INT's.

Do you have a black Flacco jersey? Word on the street is that the offense isn't playing well and Flacco could use a boost.

[Militant X 1]

Just now, DomMcRaven said:

Do you have a black Flacco jersey? Word on the street is that the offense isn't playing well and Flacco could use a boost.

Lol!  Naw Dom!  No Flacco jersey for me partner!  Just defensive players.

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Lol!  Naw Dom!  No Flacco jersey for me partner!  Just defensive players.

Shareece Wright, then. Problem solved, we going straight to Super Bowl.

[DomMcRaven]

3 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Lol!  Naw Dom!  No Flacco jersey for me partner!  Just defensive players.

Welp! Now I can blame you for ALL of the offensive woes this year, Thanks a lot Mili, thanks a lot. 

[Militant X 1]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Shareece Wright, then. Problem solved, we going straight to Super Bowl.

I definitely don't have a Wright jersey. 

5 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Welp! Now I can blame you for ALL of the offensive woes this year, Thanks a lot Mili, thanks a lot. 

Aww come on Dom!  Don't be like that bro! 

[DomMcRaven]

9 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

I definitely don't have a Wright jersey. 

Aww come on Dom!  Don't be like that bro! 

I have to Mili lol. I WANT to see the offense play well, but now it all makes sense.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Interesting how everyone can see the same things so differently.  

 

As Mike ehrmentraut said... "Funny how words can be so open to interpretation"

[Militant X 1]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

As Mike ehrmentraut said... "Funny how words can be so open to interpretation"

As Mason Cooley said..."It is possible to interpret without observing, but not to observe without interpreting."

[Filmstudy]

For those interested, here is my piece on the defense this week:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/26/filmstudy/defensive-notes-jaguars-week-3/

Some high points:

• The Ravens played an amazing 4th quarter of defensive football, one of the best in team history.  The totals: 15 offensive plays for the Jags, 4 total yards, 4 sacks for 26 yards, 4 drive-ending PDs (Mosely, Jernigan, Jernigan to INT Young, and Webb to INT Orr).  The pass rush allowed Bortles Ample Time and Space (ATS) on just 4 of 13 plays despite the fact they used a 4-man rush on 11 of those 13 plays.
• There is a play-by-play of the 6 snaps with Correa on the field.  He's got a lot to work on.
• Detailed look at the twist/stunt action with Jernigan and Guy (each had a sack as the underneath guy).
• Terrell Suggs had 28 pass rush snaps and made a big contribution including 2 sacks and the pressure that induced the pass intercepted by Mosley.
• Tavon Young has made a huge contribution the last 2 weeks, during which time he has not been targeted in 33 non-penalty snaps. 

Edited September 27, 2016 by Filmstudy

[Maryland]

10 hours ago, 808Blackbirds said:

 

Tebow-ish

I've read some criticism of his mechanics really regressing this season. Basically they compared him to Tebow with the full windup baseball pitcher way of throwing the ball--that's why a lot of his balls were wobbling and off-target. Maybe he's worried about pressure getting to him and/or thinking he has to do everything for the team to win. 

[Gtown Purple]

Good-

 

End of half\game offense. Came through with points both times

Justin Tucker

Field goal block team

winning ugly

defense, If you told me before the game that we'd give up 17 points I would have taken it. We forced turnovers and limited damage on our own.

 

Bad-

 

offensive line, pretty much everybody

Justin Forsett, he doesn't have his normal burst and agility. We need Dixon pronto

Devin Hester, let that thing go man

Pass rush needs to hit home more. Too many plays where we get pressure but still give up a positive play

 

Awful-

 

Turnovers

Lack of in game adjustments on offense. The Jags figured out we were targeting their linebackers and adjusted accordingly. We should have adjusted too.

Non rb's having half our rushing yards. Does any other team do more end arounds then us?

[PurpleCity5]

I watched some of the highlights and while Suggs was held in check in the pass rush, he looked great in the 4th QTR. On the Tavon Young INT, Suggs drove back Joekel hard and rushed the throw on Bortles having the ball tipped and picked. In the start of the 4th around the 10Min he pushed Joekel back again and was able to rip and get the sack on Bortles. He also got great pressure again on the 3 Min mark of the 4th. It wasn't anything like a coverage sack or anything like that, he was really able to put the heat on Bortles. 

[Jacquouille]

13 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

For those interested, here is my piece on the defense this week:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/26/filmstudy/defensive-notes-jaguars-week-3/

Some high points:

• The Ravens played an amazing 4th quarter of defensive football, one of the best in team history.  The totals: 15 offensive plays for the Jags, 4 total yards, 4 sacks for 26 yards, 4 drive-ending PDs (Mosely, Jernigan, Jernigan to INT Young, and Webb to INT Orr).  The pass rush allowed Bortles Ample Time and Space (ATS) on just 4 of 13 plays despite the fact they used a 4-man rush on 11 of those 13 plays.
• There is a play-by-play of the 6 snaps with Correa on the field.  He's got a lot to work on.
• Detailed look at the twist/stunt action with Jernigan and Guy (each had a sack as the underneath guy).
• Terrell Suggs had 28 pass rush snaps and made a big contribution including 2 sacks and the pressure that induced the pass intercepted by Mosley.
• Tavon Young has made a huge contribution the last 2 weeks, during which time he has not been targeted in 33 non-penalty snaps. 

Am I the only one who saw the holding on Correa on Orr's INT? 

[Filmstudy]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Am I the only one who saw the holding on Correa on Orr's INT? 

I see what you're saying, but I don't think would get called very often.  To draw a flag, he would have to get outside Joeckel's body and make it obvious.

The more pertinent thing about those 2 pass rushes was how he was twice chipped effectively (pancaked, moved 2 feet).

 

 

Edited September 27, 2016 by Filmstudy

[ludy51]

Can't believe I haven't seen a single comment on Young getting his first INT.

[Jacquouille]

20 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

I see what you're saying, but I don't think would get called very often.  To draw a flag, he would have to get outside Joeckel's body and make it obvious.

The more pertinent thing about those 2 pass rushes was how he was twice chipped effectively (pancaked, moved 2 feet).

 

 

Undeniably true. Gonna have to work on that. 

[757RavensFan]

Here's @Filmstudy offensive line grades vs the Jags.   As we all stated, Zuttah was just horrible and Stanley had his worst game as a Raven.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/28/filmstudy/ravens-jaguars-week-3/

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 9/26/2016 at 6:12 PM, Warren said:

You're totally wrong. First of all, Bernie Kosar only played under him as offensive coordinator in 1989, and that was not his best year. Bud Carson was the head coach in 1989.  In 1988, Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach and called the plays. Trestman was QB coach and did not call plays. 

Kosar's best years were under Lindy Infante, 86 & 87, Marc Trestman was not on the staff during those years. Bud Carson fired Trestman in the off season following the 1989 season and hired Jim Shoffner as the offensive coordinator. Also Bud Carson only coached the Browns to one AFCC and was fired during the 1990 season. Marty coached the Browns in 86 & 87 AFC Championship games.

During the entire 1989 season, Trestman was under fire for how poorly the offense was performing. The media and fans were calling for his firing. 

Go do your research or better yet, call one of the Cleveland sport stations.

Ok - so you take issue with one statement.... ignore the bulk of the post that completely blows a hole in your previous statement, and think that somehow I'm going to miss the fact that you're still completely wrong?

Besides, while statistically you can make a strong argument that '86 was his best year, '89 was def better than '87. He was tasked with doing more in '89, took more shots, and operated pretty efficiently. And he missed a quarter of the season in '87.

And yes, Trestman left after '89 and the team promptly became awful. And ok, they went to the AFC Championship in '86, '87, and '89. But the team and offense improved in '89 over '88 when Trestman started calling plays. After he left, the team fell off a cliff and so did the offense. So - cool, he was fired - but it proved to be the wrong move.

 

Regardless - what does you taking issue with my opinion that '89 was Kosar's finest season (not just statistically) - have to do with your statement that Trestman has been a loser everywhere he's been??

Kosar aside, 9-6-1 is still a winning record, and the AFCCG is an accomplishment. And.... all the other stops I mentioned - what's your rebuttal there?

 

Me do my research? You've done nothing to refute the point. Cool, you can use google. Here's a special clap just for you. Your statement that Trestman has been a loser everywhere is still the furthest thing from the truth regardless of how hard you want to distract away from that fact.

 

Edited September 28, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 9/26/2016 at 7:30 PM, Militant X 1 said:

Interesting how everyone can see the same things so differently.  

 

Interesting tidbit to piggy back on the bolded part of my post you quoted - this season has set a record through 3 weeks of most games decided by 1 score or less... and I think 2 points or less. Games are tight.... really tight.

Being a team that knows how to grab those games is going to matter. And i think matter a lot.

[Filmstudy]

8 hours ago, ludy51 said:

Can't believe I haven't seen a single comment on Young getting his first INT.

I'm very excited about it.  No QB will even throw a pass to his assignment, yet he has the ball skills to pick up a tip-drill INT.  Life is good.

[PurpleHorseman]

I really like undersized cornerbacks that exceed depressing expectations based on their size. Tavon should eventually compare to the better cornerbacks in the game that measure 5'10 or less. Harris and Malcolm Butler to name a couple.

 

As for Trestman. Happy to have him. Has anybody observed offenses that can not glide as a result of offensive coaches that that can not innovate much less run a competent air attack. At the very least Trestman is a very competent coordinator. There are numerous offenses underperforming their talent pool as a result of inexperienced or incompetent offensive scheming and play calling. Jacksonville to name one is a very talented offense that gets little help in the mold of innovation, scheming and play calling. Trestman deserves props for last years offensive production with backup QBs and WRs. Trestman used a different playbook than his own. This years offense will be quite potent.

[RavensPunkXVX]

How has Webb been? It's so nice not to have to hear his name called. From what I've seen, him and Weddle are doing a really nice job back there.

[rmw10]

58 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

How has Webb been? It's so nice not to have to hear his name called. From what I've seen, him and Weddle are doing a really nice job back there.

He's been decent.  Nothing great of course, but nothing glaringly bad either.  He seems to be solid back there.  I think having Webb and Weddle on the back end is making a huge difference.  The communication seems to be clicking on all cylinders.  I know they had Webb doing it last year but it was mentioned how difficult it was for him to do that at CB.