The Good, The Bad and the Awful against the Jags

[arnie_uk]

6 hours ago, 1/28/01 said:

I still don't understand Flacco's decisions in what, his 9th season?  Not blaming him solely or anything crazy like that for this offenses abysmal display of football, but he's certainly not helping much.

I thought he had about 3 bad throws in 40. The first int was horrible. I'm not entirely sure what bad decisions you mean, I honestly can't remember many 

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Ok I am going to say this and people can read of it what you will....... Some one stated earlier this week we had a tendency to Lose to bad Teams ..... Lets look at it this way We are 3-0 against 3 Bad teams .... This means that monkey is off the back already . Now that being said This week will show us against a good team how we do.  To be honest looking at how bad the teams were and looking at our record against teams with those records prior you have to say it is an improvement I still remember a 0-14 dolphins team beating us the tune of 15-13 .  So with that memory fresh in our minds lets think about this win .... Joe almost broke a record , had it not been a Tipped pass  and a few drops this may have been a great game ...., Technically Joe never threw any interceptions ... we had one dropped pass and tipped pass at the line intercepted  so they were not pure picks . the one Glaring issue I will say is December is not won in the air it is won on the ground.  CFL plays in summer ,   passing is easier then , trestmen still has not realized that after 4 years back here in the states some one needs to take his butt to the science center in baltimore and give him a physics lesson . 

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I didn't consider him bad.  I'm just saying from last year to this year.  Also, wasn't Bosa considered by some the top pick at one point?  Serious question. I don't watch college ball.

I would say most generally considered Bosa the best player in the draft and he had a down year in terms of production, but he was obviously the first non QB

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Isn't that why you stick your best guy on their best guy? In the red-zone I think Jimmy on Robinson gives you your best chance at an in-completion. Obviously you don't want to open things up for other guys as well so you don't have to see Bortles build momentum with other guys making Robinson a potentially bigger problem, but in that one situation, I don't agree with sticking Wright on Robinson, just not an easy task. Now if Wright had not allow the TDs then that would've been a different story and everyone would be talking about how great Wright was today. Then again, point is, we're talking about one of the best WRs in the league here, good reason to find that questionable. 

Not always, to the first question.

Many teams will put their top corner on the second receiver because a top corner should eliminate a second receiver. That way, safety help can be rotated over the top.

Of course, shadowing has its own complications of understanding the assignments of every single play call from either side of the field and that can be complicated and put strain on your players.

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

I thought he had about 3 bad throws in 40. The first int was horrible. I'm not entirely sure what bad decisions you mean, I honestly can't remember many 

Agreed.  I'd even that argue that the first interception was more of a miscommunication than a bad decision.  Flacco was on for most of the game.  It's not his fault that his designed first read is always a 5 yard curl.

[rmw10]

One thing I've noticed this year is that Juice is almost a complete non-factor on offense now.  I'd guess he's playing maybe 20% of the snaps, and very little as a lead blocker.  I've seen much more of him as the lone back on 3rd downs, but still not doing anything with it.

[Purple Punishment]

9 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

One thing I've noticed this year is that Juice is almost a complete non-factor on offense now.  I'd guess he's playing maybe 20% of the snaps, and very little as a lead blocker.  I've seen much more of him as the lone back on 3rd downs, but still not doing anything with it.

 

Juice should be involved more. He's got a lot of intangibles

[FerrariFan87]

The Defense and Special Teams stepped up big-time when needed most. Our 4th quarter and end-of-game Defense has been stout. Yes, against "bad" teams, but we were losing to bad teams last year. So, a definite improvement there.

 

The running game continues to struggle, along with the rest of the offense, but if Wallace secures that TD catch, I think that changes the complexion of the game. Looking forward to seeing Dixon out there soon!

 

Offensive line had too many penalties and got beat way too much for my liking, but they're still a work in progress... that'll happen with 2 Rookies out there.

 

Overall, how can we not be thrilled to be 3-0 and in sole possession of 1st place? Better than the alternative!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I keep seeing everyone saying "bad teams." 

Bad teams dont blow the Cardinals out. 2 straight weeks and the Bills have put up over 30 pts. They barely managed 7 against us.

Clevelands bad, sure. But theyre worse with RGIII and Kessler at QB.... with McCown theyre actually half decent. So we've faced the best version of the Browns thus far this season.

And the Jags arent bad. Theyve made mistakes, but they played GB tough and probably shouldve beat them. They played horribly against SD, but look at what Pitt just put up against the Eagles. Philly's a surprise so far, but theyre not world beaters and they made Pitt look silly. I dont hear anyone saying the Steelers are a bad team just bc of that performance.

 

We beat 2 good teams, and 1 not so good team. We just happened to make 2 good teams look pretty bad.

Edited September 26, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Tank 92]

I'm curious to see Ken's O line scores for this week. 

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed.  I'd even that argue that the first interception was more of a miscommunication than a bad decision.  Flacco was on for most of the game.  It's not his fault that his designed first read is always a 5 yard curl.

Yeah, there was that one and one that Smitty sat down on where Joe expected him to curl out.  Guessing it's just a matter of not getting as much work with the two of them and it should fix itself with time and reps. 

 

[FerrariFan87]

32 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I keep seeing everyone saying "bad teams." 

Bad teams dont blow the Cardinals out. 2 straight weeks and the Bills have put up over 30 pts. They barely managed 7 against us.

Clevelands bad, sure. But theyre worse with RGIII and Kessler at QB.... with McCown theyre actually half decent. So we've faced the best version of the Browns thus far this season.

And the Jags arent bad. Theyve made mistakes, but they played GB tough and probably shouldve beat them. They played horribly against SD, but look at what Pitt just put up against the Eagles. Philly's a surprise so far, but theyre not world beaters and they made Pitt look silly. I dont hear anyone saying the Steelers are a bad team just bc of that performance.

 

We beat 2 good teams, and 1 not so good team. We just happened to make 2 good teams look pretty bad.

Bad in terms of record... of course, no game in the NFL is ever a cakewalk going into it. Any given Sunday.

[757RavensFan]

10 hours ago, wizard1 said:

You guys are unbelievable--struttin around like a bunch of banty roosters. Yeah we are 3 and 0 with the 3 ugly wins against a gaggle of lousy teams. That's right we beat 3 teams that are collectively 1 and 8 . Definitely time to start talkin trash right? According to my calculations we will not win again until Thursday Night Football when we barely beat the Browns. So for freakin cryin out loud will all of you guys stop the trash talkin . Time to get real !

According to your calculations, we were not going to beat the Jags.   So save us your calculations. 

Do you remember this gem you posted last week?  

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Lets enjoy a Browns victory because it goes downhill from here.

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, FerrariFan87 said:

Bad in terms of record... of course, no game in the NFL is ever a cakewalk going into it. Any given Sunday.

Yea well Cinci's bad in terms of record right now. Dont hear anyone knocking Pitt for only beating Cinci and Washington who are a combined 2-4 right now and get blown out by the Eagles... AZ is 1-2 right now with losses to a JG led NE and a "bad" Buffalo team. 

Bad in terms of record maybe but definitely not bad.

 

[FerrariFan87]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea well Cinci's bad in terms of record right now. Dont hear anyone knocking Pitt for only beating Cinci and Washington who are a combined 2-4 right now and get blown out by the Eagles... AZ is 1-2 right now with losses to a JG led NE and a "bad" Buffalo team. 

Bad in terms of record maybe but definitely not bad.

 

They're the Steelers! The media disregards their flaws and anything else that doesn't prop them up as potential Super Bowl champs. Facts don't matter.

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I keep seeing everyone saying "bad teams." 

Bad teams dont blow the Cardinals out. 2 straight weeks and the Bills have put up over 30 pts. They barely managed 7 against us.

Clevelands bad, sure. But theyre worse with RGIII and Kessler at QB.... with McCown theyre actually half decent. So we've faced the best version of the Browns thus far this season.

And the Jags arent bad. Theyve made mistakes, but they played GB tough and probably shouldve beat them. They played horribly against SD, but look at what Pitt just put up against the Eagles. Philly's a surprise so far, but theyre not world beaters and they made Pitt look silly. I dont hear anyone saying the Steelers are a bad team just bc of that performance.

 

We beat 2 good teams, and 1 not so good team. We just happened to make 2 good teams look pretty bad.

My take on all of the "bad teams" talk in reference to the Bills, Browns and Jaguars is that in most people's eyes the Ravens were the much better team and should have dominated these opponents when they clearly have not!  Winning the "way" they have with consecutive nail biters and head scratchers is not domination by any stretch of the imagination at least not to me.  Even Joe doesn't want to just settle for those types of games on a weekly basis. 

 

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not always, to the first question.

Many teams will put their top corner on the second receiver because a top corner should eliminate a second receiver. That way, safety help can be rotated over the top.

Of course, shadowing has its own complications of understanding the assignments of every single play call from either side of the field and that can be complicated and put strain on your players.

I was just referencing to exclusively the red-zone. Jimmy sticking on other guys surely helped throughout the game since Jacksonville was forced to run their offense through one guy (Robinson) but in that situation where you have one-on-one with their best WR, then I think you put your best CB. Everything you said was spot on and I do think whatever Pees did worked because in the end, Robinson was held to just 57 yards, had he crossed 100+ then I feel like we would have taken the loss. Really don't think Wright played as bad as some say. 

[Tank 92]

 

I know no one wants to hear about the "what ifs", but I don't care.  lol   If Wallace makes the catch in the end zone I think it's a much different game. And throw that out........ If Hester doesn't make his rookie like error it's probably a much more comfortable win yesterday.(hope that was just a brain fart that doesn't reoccur!)

The Ravens have beaten 3 NFL teams. Period. Pretty damn good considering all of the new and returning pieces. If we can stay healthy and get the O line woes worked out we're gonna make some noise and be a tough team to beat come tournament time. 

 

   

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

31 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

My take on all of the "bad teams" talk in reference to the Bills, Browns and Jaguars is that in most people's eyes the Ravens were the much better team and should have dominated these opponents when they clearly have not!  Winning the "way" they have with consecutive nail biters and head scratchers is not domination by any stretch of the imagination at least not to me.  Even Joe doesn't want to just settle for those types of games on a weekly basis. 

 

Well of course not... but everyone is figuring themselves out right now. My take on the NFL is that, in the first 4-6 weeks teams mostly beat themselves. If you play sound football and dont make too many mistakes early in the season - you usually win.

I think the better teams are the ones that find a way early. I mean, is a team that looked really good in 2 wins but gets blown out in the 3rd "better" than the team that eeks out 3 wins below expectation? 

And, yea, I expected wins in all 3 games... but i didnt expect us to kill the Bills or Jags. No one should have. Its the NFL. As we saw last year, the difference between a 5-11 team and a 11-5 team is a matter of 1 or 2 plays a game. Thats it. No one is blowing people out every week - just doesnt happen.

We've never been a team to do that anyways. At our best we maybe have had 1-2 blowout type wins in a season. We'll still finding out stride on offense, and dont even have our best pass rusher on D yet. Things will still mightily improve.

Taking our wins thus far as "less" bc of the opponents is stupid. You can only beat who they put in front of you. And winning by 1 or 20 doesnt make one iota of difference except for how the MMQB's feel about them... 

[redrum52]

10 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 

I know no one wants to hear about the "what ifs", but I don't care.  lol   If Wallace makes the catch in the end zone I think it's a much different game. And throw that out........ If Hester doesn't make his rookie like error it's probably a much more comfortable win yesterday.(hope that was just a brain fart that doesn't reoccur!)

The Ravens have beaten 3 NFL teams. Period. Pretty damn good considering all of the new and returning pieces. If we can stay healthy and get the O line woes worked out we're gonna make some noise and be a tough team to beat come tournament time. 

 

   

3-0 is all I care about.  What if we allowed the bills to control the game?  What if McCown gets that td and what if Jags get to fg territory?  Don't know own or care be used that DIDN'T happen.  Like I've said, seen the other possibilities last year and I'll take this while the offense seems to be finding it's way.  If I had to judge, this season is like 2013 so far, but we're closing out and winning.

[Rav'n Maniac]

11 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 

I know no one wants to hear about the "what ifs", but I don't care.  lol   If Wallace makes the catch in the end zone I think it's a much different game. And throw that out........ If Hester doesn't make his rookie like error it's probably a much more comfortable win yesterday.(hope that was just a brain fart that doesn't reoccur!)

The Ravens have beaten 3 NFL teams. Period. Pretty damn good considering all of the new and returning pieces. If we can stay healthy and get the O line woes worked out we're gonna make some noise and be a tough team to beat come tournament time. 

 

   

Hester has 32 combined fumbles over his 10 yr career on KR & PR. Obviously it's not uncommon for him to put a few on the deck.

[VermontRaven]

8 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Hester has 32 combined fumbles over his 10 yr career on KR & PR. Obviously it's not uncommon for him to put a few on the deck.

Wow!  I didn't realize that!  That's over 3 per year!  Where did you find that stat by the way?

[gtalk12]

Some decent size plays were negated because of penalties....Perriman dropped any easy one. The run game is def struggling and its starting to hurt the pass game. Wallace dropped TD was a tough one, Steve Smith was alive and well this game lol.

 

Until we start running the ball well, it is going to be hard to set up those big plays.

[jboy19]

20 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Wow!  I didn't realize that!  That's over 3 per year!  Where did you find that stat by the way?

Here's a link: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HestDe99.htm

I guess the bright side is that through his career since he's had 36 TDs and 37 Fumbles (counting his fumbles as a WR and Returner), he should mathematically get a TD soon...maybe...

[usmccharles]

35 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Hester has 32 combined fumbles over his 10 yr career on KR & PR. Obviously it's not uncommon for him to put a few on the deck.

 

26 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Wow!  I didn't realize that!  That's over 3 per year!  Where did you find that stat by the way?

7 of them are on KRs

[wizard1]

Man you really dont know diddly . I almost perfectly predicted the Ravens would beat the Jags 17-16. You are obviously a part of the generally misinformed and gullible public who believes in anything that everyone else believes in.

 

[Drew P]

Zuttah was bad and awful. They need to get Tavon up to speed for Shareece's spot. He looks like Corey Ivy always tailing the WR and never looking for the ball.

[Deflated Football]

Man, it seems like Tavon is always near the ball. We need to get him on the field more. Could he take Shareece's spot anytime soon? 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Man you really dont know diddly . I almost perfectly predicted the Ravens would beat the Jags 17-16. You are obviously a part of the generally misinformed and gullible public who believes in anything that everyone else believes in.

 

And where/when did you predict this?

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Man you really dont know diddly . I almost perfectly predicted the Ravens would beat the Jags 17-16. You are obviously a part of the generally misinformed and gullible public who believes in anything that everyone else believes in.

 

And then there was this gem, in reference to last weeks game...

 

On 9/18/2016 at 0:11 PM, wizard1 said:

This game will remembered as one of the most boring games in recent memory. The Ravens are a bad team and the Browns are worse.

Very little offense and both will combine for less that 100 yards rushing in this game but not because both teams have outstanding defenses ( although the Ravens D is clearly better) .

Simply because both teams have laughable offenses.No leaders on either side of the ball for either team.  19-10 Ravens

Less than 100 yards rushing in total? Nope, try 235, just a wee bit more.

Boring? Not by any stretch.

Laughable offenses and low scoring? Nope, 769 yards of offense and 45 combined points. Just a wee bit off.

But wait, there's more, another gem from the Buffalo thread...

On 9/11/2016 at 0:50 PM, wizard1 said:

This is going to be an ugly way to open the season but today we will see just how unprepared we are in almost every phase of the game. Wallace and Perriman will be ineffective because Joe will not have time to get comfortable in the pocket. We have no downhill RBs and it will be apparent. We could have drafted Tyler Boyd but instead a wasted 2nd round pick leaves us with another gaping hole. Tyrod Taylor has something to prove and he will run all over us and today it's going to look like we should have kept Taylor and let Flacco go. I'm embarrassed by what the outcome will look like.  I'm already looking at next week and worrying about the Cleveland Browns new look offense.

Wallace and Perriman ineffective? 126 yards and a TD. Oops

Tyrod running all over us? A whopping 11 yards. Swing and a miss.

LOL.

Edited September 26, 2016 by rmcjacket23