The Good, The Bad and the Awful against the Jags

[Deflated Football]

So I don't have a problem with Trestman.. like at all. We're transitioning to a passing offense, something we've never been. We have no run game whatsoever so we're really one dimensional right now. Forsett isn't very good anymore and West is a great change of pace back but can't handle a full load. I'm not understanding the beef that Ravens fans have with him. 

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

One MAJOR problem... play action only works when there's a threat of the run game. Teams aren't stopping the box against us to stop the run... they're stopping it with 5-6 man fronts or even less on occasion. 

If you can't run the ball effectively, then play action is just a slower developing pass play that the defense already knows is a pass play, because they don't care if you hand it off.

In some ways, same thing from Shotgun. You have to give teams at least the impression that you are capable of gaining 4-5 yards running the ball from the Shotgun in order for teams to respect it. Otherwise, just another obvious passing play.

Shotgun is still advantageous to the quarterback even if the running game isn't going.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Shotgun is still advantageous to the quarterback even if the running game isn't going.

And we also ran quite a bit of play action against Jax in the first half with success even though we weren't doing anything in the run game. 

Typically id agree that if you don't run the ball well that PA is useless... but maybe there's something to the idea of using PA to set up the run. Throw it off PA early to the point where the D backs off and expects pass even when you show run or a hand off... thus opening up the run a bit. 

Didnt end up working for us much but maybe that's what Trestman was hoping. Could work in the future with someone like Dixon who is decisive and can make ppl miss/break tackles. 

[terps85]

4 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

So I don't have a problem with Trestman.. like at all. We're transitioning to a passing offense, something we've never been. We have no run game whatsoever so we're really one dimensional right now. Forsett isn't very good anymore and West is a great change of pace back but can't handle a full load. I'm not understanding the beef that Ravens fans have with him. 

Couldn't agree more.  It's the first year in a new offense with most of the unit (including QB) either returning from injury, a rookie, or first year on the team.  That is coupled with the fact that Forsett has been so ineffective. A whole lot of people saying Trestman is doing a bad job, but not much saying what he should be doing instead - don't value these sort of people's opinions at all.

[redrum52]

Does anyone have the numbers for our percentage of plays in shotgun?

[redrum52]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Fournette's stock is as high as ever...

I thought and was told different.  My bad.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I thought and was told different.  My bad.

Scouts know what he CAN do. Many consider him the second best player in the draft.

[terps85]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Scouts know what he CAN do. Many consider him the second best player in the draft.

He should just sit out the rest of the year with his banged up ankle.  Stock can only go down.

[redrum52]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Scouts know what he CAN do. Many consider him the second best player in the draft.

I didn't consider him bad.  I'm just saying from last year to this year.  Also, wasn't Bosa considered by some the top pick at one point?  Serious question. I don't watch college ball.

[ellicottraven]

Well we won 3 games playing pretty average on offense. We figured out a way to win the games. Now, if the offense starts jelling and putting good games together, then there is no team we cannot beat. However, having said that, I can't predict if or when our offense will really start playing hot. But, I'm glad we are 3-0 though.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

Correa almost made a play.

And then at the end he got a good running start on a pass rushing down and got lit up from a stationary blocker.. It was comical.

I'm pretty sure I know the specific play you're talking about too.  Last Jags possession and I think it was the pick or sack play.  I watch him charge, thought he was going to try to use a move and was stone walled.  High motor.  He didn't give up.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Something about Perriman excites and scares me all at the same time 

Still working his way up but the drops are pretty concerning. 

[PurpleCity5]

46 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Not defending Joe at all, but not gonna overlook that he did his part on that missed opportunity.  The reason they didn't connect was Wallace's fault not Joe's. 

I don't feel like Wallace got good position there at all. He was being forced out and Joe didn't have much of a window to throw it to. I felt that the play didn't develop much and even if Mike Wallace caught it, there's a good chance it would've been incomplete. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Well I agree, kind of,  but his job was tougher because he's not as good as Jimmy.  

Isn't that why you stick your best guy on their best guy? In the red-zone I think Jimmy on Robinson gives you your best chance at an in-completion. Obviously you don't want to open things up for other guys as well so you don't have to see Bortles build momentum with other guys making Robinson a potentially bigger problem, but in that one situation, I don't agree with sticking Wright on Robinson, just not an easy task. Now if Wright had not allow the TDs then that would've been a different story and everyone would be talking about how great Wright was today. Then again, point is, we're talking about one of the best WRs in the league here, good reason to find that questionable. 

Edited September 26, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Tank 92]

 

CJ had a monster game and looks like he's now becoming a complete player. So much for "but he can't cover".   lol

 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

On 9/25/2016 at 10:18 PM, Tank 92 said:

 

CJ had a monster game and looks like he's now becoming a complete player. So much for "but he can't cover".   lol

 

Agreed. The most obvious thing that I like about CJ is "he wants to make that 'play' and always has. That trumps his 'perceived' weaknesses. To me that's what gives him a strong leadership quality and Ravens Swag. He can be relentlessly self-driven. 2 ints for wins in 2 games...nuff said. I'll take it.

Edited September 28, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
CJ 'perceived'

[Militant X 1]

8 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

 

CJ had a monster game and looks like he's now becoming a complete player. So much for "but he can't cover".   lol

 

I ordered a black CJ Mosely jersey earlier last week and since then he's had 2 INT's.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Just now, Militant X 1 said:

I ordered a black CJ Mosely jersey earlier last week and since then he's had 2 INT's.

Keep it coming and don't wash it unless you washed it before this win Mili. Who would have ever thought we'd be 1st in the North and undefeated right, now? Just us Raven Fans. Beautiful. CJ with 2 INTs and doubters saying pass defense is his weakness? They can keep talking...

[usmccharles]

36 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Isn't that why you stick your best guy on their best guy? In the red-zone I think Jimmy on Robinson gives you your best chance at an in-completion. Obviously you don't want to open things up for other guys as well so you don't have to see Bortles build momentum with other guys making Robinson a potentially bigger problem, but in that one situation, I don't agree with sticking Wright on Robinson, just not an easy task. Now if Wright had not allow the TDs then that would've been a different story and everyone would be talking about how great Wright was today. Then again, point is, we're talking about one of the best WRs in the league here, good reason to find that questionable. 

Exactly my point

[Ravensuperfan1]

13 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Jalen Ramsey says he doesnt respect SSr as a man because he was whining to the refs.  Damn kid, 3 games into your career and your disrespecting a HoF WR. 

so let me get this straight. This dude is talking Crap about Steve Smith and Aaron Rodgers while his team is 0-3

 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Ravensuperfan1 said:

so let me get this straight. This dude is talking Crap about Steve Smith and Aaron Rodgers while his team is 0-3

 

where did Rodgers come into this?

[Ravensuperfan1]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

where did Rodgers come into this?

 

week 1

http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/18816/jalen-ramsey-wants-aaron-rodgers-to-target-him-throw-my-way-if-you-want-to

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/9/11/12882612/jalen-ramsey-aaron-rodgers-jacksonville-jaguars-rookie

I don't mind talking but if your 0-3 just shhhhhhhhh

[Militant X 1]

58 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

One MAJOR problem... play action only works when there's a threat of the run game. Teams aren't stopping the box against us to stop the run... they're stopping it with 5-6 man fronts or even less on occasion. 

If you can't run the ball effectively, then play action is just a slower developing pass play that the defense already knows is a pass play, because they don't care if you hand it off.

In some ways, same thing from Shotgun. You have to give teams at least the impression that you are capable of gaining 4-5 yards running the ball from the Shotgun in order for teams to respect it. Otherwise, just another obvious passing play.

You saw it today from Jacksonville. They did a lot of PA it seemed with Bortles, and I didn't get the point. Our defense never seemed to move on it, because we knew we could stop the run with a 4-5 man front. There was no reason for our linebackers or safeties to do anything differently than what they were scheming for. I thought it was a waste for them to do it as often as they did.

I agree.  I was stating that I like Joe's skills out of PA and the Gun.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Ravensuperfan1 said:

 

week 1

http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/18816/jalen-ramsey-wants-aaron-rodgers-to-target-him-throw-my-way-if-you-want-to

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/9/11/12882612/jalen-ramsey-aaron-rodgers-jacksonville-jaguars-rookie

I don't mind talking but if your 0-3 just shhhhhhhhh

Ah, i dont have much issue with him saying that a qb doesnt throw his way if the qb doesnt throw his way.  But the kid sounds like a cocky little Delta Bravo (doubt many will get that reference)

[Militant X 1]

22 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Keep it coming and don't wash it unless you washed it before this win Mili. Who would have ever thought we'd be 1st in the North and undefeated right, now? Just us Raven Fans. Beautiful. CJ with 2 INTs and doubters saying pass defense is his weakness? They can keep talking...

 I haven't even worn it yet FGF,

[Cville-Raven]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Ah, i dont have much issue with him saying that a qb doesnt throw his way if the qb doesnt throw his way.  But the kid sounds like a cocky little Delta Bravo (doubt many will get that reference)

Yeah he definitely fits that description 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Where's the guy who said he was worried about our run D?

I didn't realize how good our run D was today. We only gave up a combined 31 yds to their running backs. 

Bortles scrambled for another 17 yds but even then its only 48 yds. I don't know how much better they could possibly be. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Where's the guy who said he was worried about our run D?

I didn't realize how good our run D was today. We only gave up a combined 31 yds to their running backs. 

Bortles scrambled for another 17 yds but even then its only 48 yds. I don't know how much better they could possibly be. 

47 yards?

[wizard1]

You guys are unbelievable--struttin around like a bunch of banty roosters. Yeah we are 3 and 0 with the 3 ugly wins against a gaggle of lousy teams. That's right we beat 3 teams that are collectively 1 and 8 . Definitely time to start talkin trash right? According to my calculations we will not win again until Thursday Night Football when we barely beat the Browns. So for freakin cryin out loud will all of you guys stop the trash talkin . Time to get real !

[allblackraven]

Guys, keep my spot here, I'll be right back. Just quickly checking the North standings