How do you rank our positional needs?

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

After today, I would give up a lot if a potential super-star WR is there. It would do a whole lot for this team. I know we have bigger needs than at WR but if a Star WR can be had there than it beats out any need IMO. I know it isn't high of an opinion but if a top 10 WR talent like Mike Williams can be had, I would give up a lot for him.

I don't follow college football closely, but is there a superstar WR in this draft or nah??

[JoeyFlex5]

50 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

I don't follow college football closely, but is there a superstar WR in this draft or nah??

ehh, you could say mike williams, but hes more of a damn good WR than a superstar i think, like a legit #1 but it would be a surprise to see him playing like julio or green.

[Cillmatic]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ehh, you could say mike williams, but hes more of a damn good WR than a superstar i think, like a legit #1 but it would be a surprise to see him playing like julio or green.

He seems a little overrated, not much of a hands catcher, rounds of routes and isn't aggressive.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ehh, you could say mike williams, but hes more of a damn good WR than a superstar i think, like a legit #1 but it would be a surprise to see him playing like julio or green.

There's still a lot of time for him to show that. People were talking about him being a potential top ten talent in last years draft if it weren't for the neck injury. 

[Inqui]

8 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

I really think they'll address OL through free agency. Already two inexperienced starters on the line and they'll definitely want a vet at center, where Zuttah clearly needs to be upgraded upon.

So my top needs for the draft are OLB, CB and WR. The funny thing is I'm pretty that's what they were the past two years.

The FA pool for C is pretty depressing:

JC Tretter
Joe Hawley
Brian Schwenke
Cody Wallace
AQ Shipley
What's left of John Sullivan

That's not the cliff notes - that's the entire group. Tretter seems to be doing pretty well for the Packers, so he'll probably get locked up before hitting FA. Which would make Shipley a top-five C in FA this offseason.

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, Inqui said:

The FA pool for C is pretty depressing:

JC Tretter
Joe Hawley
Brian Schwenke
Cody Wallace
AQ Shipley
What's left of John Sullivan

That's not the cliff notes - that's the entire group. Tretter seems to be doing pretty well for the Packers, so he'll probably get locked up before hitting FA. Which would make Shipley a top-five C in FA this offseason.

Yeah that's just a little ugly.

Anything decent at G?  I'm too lazy to check lol

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah that's just a little ugly.

Anything decent at G?  I'm too lazy to check lol

I can't remember much off the top of my head, but I think it was mostly names who are at best decent but not ground-breaking. A few Chance Warmack types iirc. No one that I saw who played C/G reliably either.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, Inqui said:

I can't remember much off the top of my head, but I think it was mostly names who are at best decent but not ground-breaking. A few Chance Warmack types iirc. No one that I saw who played C/G reliably either.

Ouch.  That's rough.  I'm not particularly interested in having Wagner back right now if this is the real him going forward, so that might 2 spots on the line that need to be filled.  Yanda, Stanley, and Lewis look to be the only certainties.  I'd imagine they'd want a vet at C or G/T, depending on where Lewis plays.

[Davesta]

I think a juju smith can be had in the bottom of the 1st. Is he a potential #1 NFL WR? I hated the perriman pick.. And it's looking like he's not the answer for the #1

[Inqui]

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Ouch.  That's rough.  I'm not particularly interested in having Wagner back right now if this is the real him going forward, so that might 2 spots on the line that need to be filled.  Yanda, Stanley, and Lewis look to be the only certainties.  I'd imagine they'd want a vet at C or G/T, depending on where Lewis plays.

I think they got Lewis with the intent to let Wagner walk and hopefully get us a comp pick. They'll probably stick with a contest between Urschel and Jensen for LG and be content enough with Zuttah at C if they can't find a replacement they're happy with. Though we always seem to draft an OL player on day three and those picks seem to work out pretty reliably.

Something like: Stanley - Jensen unless we find an upgrade - Whatever we end up with (or Zuttah) - Yanda - Lewis

Here's the list of OGs btw:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/guard/

Some decent enough names, but not really anything you'd want to throw a boatload of money at aside from the guys who'll probably be priorities for their current teams. I'm not sure what Green Bay's cap situation is like, so maybe we get lucky and they prioritise Lang and decide they can't hang onto Tretter.

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, Davesta said:

I think a juju smith can be had in the bottom of the 1st. Is he a potential #1 NFL WR? I hated the perriman pick.. And it's looking like he's not the answer for the #1

Yes, that he can. Is he Julio? No. But he's definitely a guy you can trust when it matters the most. He's reliable and he can make plays. And he can lift a team by himself. And tough as nails. 

He kind of reminds me of today's SSS, but taller. 

Not the fastest, but so competitive. 

[ravensnick]

15 hours ago, Davesta said:

I think a juju smith can be had in the bottom of the 1st. Is he a potential #1 NFL WR? I hated the perriman pick.. And it's looking like he's not the answer for the #1

Juju is certainly nowhere near a NFL #1. His ceiling is a very good #2. Plus, given the track record, I see nothing encouraging about USC wide receivers.

Edited October 11, 2016 by ravensnick

[rmw10]

9 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Juju is certainly nowhere near a NFL #1. His ceiling is a very good #2. Plus, given the track record, I see nothing encouraging about USC wide receivers.

I've always been in the "scout the player, not the helmet" camp, but man, those USC WRs never seem to work out.

[Dewy101]

On 10/9/2016 at 11:01 PM, Inqui said:

The FA pool for C is pretty depressing:

JC Tretter
Joe Hawley
Brian Schwenke
Cody Wallace
AQ Shipley
What's left of John Sullivan

That's not the cliff notes - that's the entire group. Tretter seems to be doing pretty well for the Packers, so he'll probably get locked up before hitting FA. Which would make Shipley a top-five C in FA this offseason.

Tretter has been very good for the packers so far this season. It would definitely be an upgrade over Zuttah

[Dewy101]

Where do I start. 

1.OLB- our secondary has been pretty good so far in terms of yardage allowed but pass rush comes and goes. Probably a combination of Injury and old age. ZDS hasn't done anything KC can't get on the field and Judons been inactive the past 2 games. Pass rush just hasn't been there. 

2. LG, C ,RT- Every team can't have studs at every position on the o line. I know we have Alex Lewis at LG but I feel like he'd be better playing RT. KO leaving in FA hurt and Zuttah has regressed. Wagner a free agent in 2017, he's also regressed from a spectacular 2014 season.  We need to target at least one of these positions. 

3. WR- heading into 2017 we have 2 guys that can run fast in a straight line in Perriman and Wallace, but there isn't a guy that can beat CBs with route running and clean releases. Oh and one of those guys that runs fast can't catch. 

4. CB- Jimmy is solid but SW is way too up and down well he's been more down lately. 

5. SS or FS(interchangeable) I don't think we keep Webb next year with his salary. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/9/2016 at 9:42 PM, Cillmatic said:

He seems a little overrated, not much of a hands catcher, rounds of routes and isn't aggressive.

i dont know if i would go that far, maybe has a streaky tendency to play more passively than you would like, but its common for college wrs, not everyone is cooper, ridley, or ODB in college. i get what youre saying but you make him sound like josh doctson, id compare him to jordan matthews if you sacrificed a small bit of polish for a good bit of explosiveness. 

ftr i had a top 20 grade on matthews.

[BristolMike]

Alabama's LE Da'Shawn Hand would be a great steal in the later rounds!

[DomMcRaven]

Hi, can I get a supersized order of pass-rush and WRs on the side? Thanks. 

[Doomville]

After today's game, pass rusher has to be our number 1 priority. Suggs injured and possible will retire after this season and doom is getting up there in age. After pass rush imo our next needs are

- Secondary (mainly CB)

- OL

- WR (anquan boldin type)

- DL (depending on whether we can keep Brandon Williams)

- ILB (don't know exactly how good mcllelan and orr have been)

[Sami84]

On 10/10/2016 at 9:01 AM, Inqui said:

The FA pool for C is pretty depressing:

JC Tretter
Joe Hawley
Brian Schwenke
Cody Wallace
AQ Shipley
What's left of John Sullivan

That's not the cliff notes - that's the entire group. Tretter seems to be doing pretty well for the Packers, so he'll probably get locked up before hitting FA. Which would make Shipley a top-five C in FA this offseason.

 

Matt Paradis 

[Sami84]

5 minutes ago, Doomville said:

After today's game, pass rusher has to be our number 1 priority. Suggs injured and possible will retire after this season and doom is getting up there in age. After pass rush imo our next needs are

- Secondary (mainly CB)

- OL

- WR (anquan boldin type)

- DL (depending on whether we can keep Brandon Williams)

- ILB (don't know exactly how good mcllelan and orr have been)

 

orr has been excellent

[DomMcRaven]

31 minutes ago, Doomville said:

After today's game, pass rusher has to be our number 1 priority. Suggs injured and possible will retire after this season and doom is getting up there in age. After pass rush imo our next needs are

- Secondary (mainly CB)

- OL

- WR (anquan boldin type)

- DL (depending on whether we can keep Brandon Williams)

- ILB (don't know exactly how good mcllelan and orr have been)

I love B-Will, but he's gonna need to offer more in the pass-rush department. If not, I wouldn't mind letting him walk and some team can overpay him. Pierce has been pretty good so far.

[Davesta]

we need everything. Which is sad. Sure Ozzie finds late gems, but those aren't superstars. Ozzie and co been failing in finding early round talents. Perriman, kamalei, Terrence brooks, Elam, Arthur brown. Rounds 1-3 is where you find the playmakers and that's where we've been failing. 

[Cillmatic]

First round pick MUST be either a CB or a pass rusher. Those are the biggest needs on this team.

[Wildabeast88]

Pass rush, pass rush, big physical CB, interior O-line, possibly S and probably WR

[GrimCoconut]

Pass rusher is the top need. I said it before and I continue to stand by this opinion. Suggs and Dumervil are clearly near their end and we are suffering as a team because of it. This is causing us to put Suggs and Dumervil on the field more than they should be, and it is quite frankly making them both less effective. When we take them off, we are relying on Smith and he is just not looking at all good this year. We shouldn't rely on him to take the next step. If he turns the corner, awesome! If not, then we have a contingency. When you have a problem that is so evident and so clearly an issue, it must be fixed with the utmost importance despite the depth and investments made there. I would equate this position to safety of years past where we invested high picks without ROI a la Elam and Brooks. Trade the farm for Myles Garrett and never look back. We need a talent like him on this team. 

[ravensnation5220]

On 10/9/2016 at 7:40 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

ehh, you could say mike williams, but hes more of a damn good WR than a superstar i think, like a legit #1 but it would be a surprise to see him playing like julio or green.

 

On 10/9/2016 at 7:40 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

ehh, you could say mike williams, but hes more of a damn good WR than a superstar i think, like a legit #1 but it would be a surprise to see him playing like julio or green.

Really? Ive loved what ive seen from him this year. Hes pushing juju smith for top reciever this year. I usually dont like doing comps but i think williams comps aj green very well as does juju with dez. I think these 2 are honestly the kind recievers we need to get us over the top on offense. Too bad we wont get either though.....were going pass rusher first round this year. Can almost guarantee it. 

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Pass rusher is the top need. I said it before and I continue to stand by this opinion. Suggs and Dumervil are clearly near their end and we are suffering as a team because of it. This is causing us to put Suggs and Dumervil on the field more than they should be, and it is quite frankly making them both less effective. When we take them off, we are relying on Smith and he is just not looking at all good this year. We shouldn't rely on him to take the next step. If he turns the corner, awesome! If not, then we have a contingency. When you have a problem that is so evident and so clearly an issue, it must be fixed with the utmost importance despite the depth and investments made there. I would equate this position to safety of years past where we invested high picks without ROI a la Elam and Brooks. Trade the farm for Myles Garrett and never look back. We need a talent like him on this team. 

Amen. If ozzie every decides for a blockbuster trade. This is the year to do it. Myles garrett is an absolute monster. Old soul kinda personality too.

[ravensnation5220]

Im really thinking we need to address the defense and try to hit a home run. We really need that special talent this draft. Suggs is the only guy left who has a name for himself and we really need that young cornerstone talent. Pass rusher or lock down corner. Seems like a good draft to find that. 

[Jacquouille]

I think I'll make a mock soon, it's starting to be clear now.

Btw do we have a comp pick in the third?