If we could do it over again: Ramsey or Stanley?

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Nobody will ever know outside of the brain trust, but after seeing the Bosa debacle playing out, I'm glad Stanley is our man. Ten years from now, I'm sure he'll still be guarding Joe's blind side.

Stanley was definitely the better choice and idk if that's even a hindsight thing. But I do have a feeling steve put pressure on Ozzie for a guy like bosa, we've been waiting for that kind of guy to fall in our laps and I'll bet we expected him to.

Either that or Ozzie assured steve we would get dodd in the 2nd and that either Ramsey or Stanley was the guy.

[Tiznut]

@usmccharles if we discuss second rd picks my choice ultimately isn't any better than what we are seeing/not seeing with Correa now. I wanted Myles Jack who,despite his versatility, hasn't seen the field yet. 

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

What about Stanley vs Conklin? 

As for the question, that's tough because I think highly of both but the fact that we kept our 3rd round pick and got a LT to protect a QB coming off an ACL tear who still honestly looks a bit reluctant to test out that knee makes believe we made the right choice 

But does Conklin look like a LT? I haven't seen him in the NFL but his college tape showed a RT in my opinion. I think a RT would've been a mistake even with a big fat trade back.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Tiznut said:

@usmccharles if we discuss second rd picks my choice ultimately isn't any better than what we are seeing/not seeing with Correa now. I wanted Myles Jack who,despite his versatility, hasn't seen the field yet. 

Yea, I was a huge advocate for Jack.  Didn't mean to hi-jack

[BmoreBird22]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Stanley and wentz have been the unquestioned top performing rookies this far. Every other first rounder has been an afterthought. The ravens definitely got the most value and pro ready player in the draft by taking the top performer at 6th while the next top performer took a mortgaging of the future to acquire. 

The ravens simply committed armed robbery by doing absolutely nothing but selecting a safe player.

I would say Conklin has been the best T, but that comes with the caveat of being a RT.

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But does Conklin look like a LT? I haven't seen him in the NFL but his college tape showed a RT in my opinion. I think a RT would've been a mistake even with a big fat trade back.

I don't think he'll be a LT ever, but they don't need one down there.

I think Decker has looked good, so he'd be the guy to target in a trade back. I was pretty high on Decker.

[ERey]

Didn't they try trade up for Ramsey? The price was to steep. Stanley was the best option given they couldn't move up. However, I guess if you're saying pretend Dallas is willing to trade, I still stay and take Stanley. We have a franchise QB in his prime. The next most important player in the team is the LT to protect Joe.

Edited September 22, 2016 by ERey

[Edgar]

I called for us to draft Stanley about a month prior to the draft.

His ability was obvious on tape and I never got the overwhelming majority view that he would be a mistake.

I was down on Ramsey for even longer. Not because he doesn't have rare physical traits but because he wasn't close to the play maker he was sold to be.

[Tank 92]

I'll answer the question with a question. Who would be playing LT if we took Ramsey?

[JimmyBlack]

Stanley was ready to go from the minute they drafted him and I don't think that he will slow down for the next 5 years until we resign him.  I was hoping that we could have landed Noah Spence or Reggie Ragland in the second round or Jonathan Bullard in the third round.  We had enough 4th round picks to pull off a trade in the second round.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Never really got too much into the player prognostication game in the off-season (In Oz I trust.), but Stanley would be my choice currently. LT is the more valued position in today's NFL. Don't know how much that will cost the Ravens going into the future if Stanley gets 'elite' status from his play, but until then I'm satisfied with our DB play in would not risk being without a strong LT in this era.

[Tiznut]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I'll answer the question with a question. Who would be playing LT if we took Ramsey?

Guess the hope was Monroe and we did draft Alex Lewis who can take reps there. Not sure what the plan really would have been if we took Ramsey or able to get bosa as was rumored. 

[Tank 92]

4 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Guess the hope was Monroe and we did draft Alex Lewis who can take reps there. Not sure what the plan really would have been if we took Ramsey or able to get bosa as was rumored. 

Right. So it would seem that it's a no brainer that we ended up making the right move whether or not it was the original plan.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I like some fans never have the time to follow college players much, although I do support Maryland. I do follow and respect many of the opinions on here with evaluations. I was sold on Stanley as the pick mainly because I had enough of Monroe missing time.

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I like some fans never have the time to follow college players much, although I do support Maryland. I do follow and respect many of the opinions on here with evaluations. I was sold on Stanley as the pick mainly because I had enough of Monroe missing time.

Same for me.  I learned a lot from a lot of posters on here in the Draft forum.  First time I ever really knew of most of the players drafted in the first round.  Normally I would only look at players that were mocked to us. 

[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think he'll be a LT ever, but they don't need one down there.

I think Decker has looked good, so he'd be the guy to target in a trade back. I was pretty high on Decker.

Yeah I liked Decker over Conklin for us simply because one is a LT and the other is a RT. I wouldn't have wanted to bother with a RT at all in the first. And if Conklin has been better I'd say it's for more reasons than being a rt, he's just been in a much easier position. He's got the ground and pound running game behind him and a good situation overall having little pressure compared to stanley, one has a run first offense and a highly mobile qb and was brought in to a losing program after they got a massive haul in a trade back, the other was basically supposed to be the savior for our injured high money qb and we are a winning team who is trying to get back to contention, and he's been placed on and island without hesitation playing next to another rookie.. 

When you add the full context to it I would say it's far more than just left vs right tackle, Stanley has just performed as well in much harder circumstances.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, JimmyBlack said:

Stanley was ready to go from the minute they drafted him and I don't think that he will slow down for the next 5 years until we resign him.  I was hoping that we could have landed Noah Spence or Reggie Ragland in the second round or Jonathan Bullard in the third round.  We had enough 4th round picks to pull off a trade in the second round.

I agree with Bullard. But ragland would've been a complete step in the wrong direction. It would be adding another slow thumper to a defense that needed fast coverage and pass rushers

[K-Dog]

It is football 101.

Give Joe every possible advantage.  What good is Perriman and Wallace if by the time they get ten yards down Joe is staring up at the lights ?

[Tiznut]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Right. So it would seem that it's a no brainer that we ended up making the right move whether or not it was the original plan.

That's how i feel. There was also an article on the Ravens page that discussed the possibility that the Ravens would make the "boring" pick of Stanley 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

It's still way too early to tell but as of right now I have to say Stanley.Our run blocking has been poor but the pass protection has been pretty good for the most part and Stanley and Lewis have been a big reason why.Plus,one thing you have to take into consideration is we might not have either Young,Moore,Dixon,Lewis or Judon on the team if we made that trade.Young has made some great tackles and that ST play,Moore was a few inches away and Pitta being set from being our leading receiver last week,Dixon looked like our best back in preseason,Lewis has been an ok LG and Judon has been a pleasant surprise since the first game of pre season.It's hard to justify trading what Stanley has been/could be plus what one or two of those guys have been/could be for what we've seen so far from Ramsey and where he can go from there.

[Inqui]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

I'll answer the question with a question. Who would be playing LT if we took Ramsey?

The FO reshuffle the board after every pick, so someone like Jason Spriggs might have been higher on the board for us in the second round had we landed Ramsey one way or another. Or someone like Jerald Hawkins (who's going to be a great OT for the Steelers imo, I'm kinda bummed they got him) may have been higher on our board than Chris Moore in the 4th. I could see us taking either as a back-up, only to throw them into the fire once Monroe starts going his own way.

Not that I'm hating on the Stanley pick (everyone and their mother knows by now what I thought of him pre-draft), just that if one domino falls in a different way it affects the rest as well.

[Sami84]

frankly the correa and kaufusi picks are looking like wastes now. in hindsight

 

Round 2:Carl Nassib

Round 3:Joe thuney

[Maryland]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I voted Stanley

At the time, right before the draft my latest mock had us taking Stanley with Tunsil still on the board.  Now, that doesn't mean I wanted him most, but I like the pick the most if that makes any sense.  Of course I wanted the big defense splash play maker, I really wanted Myles Jack but obviously that wouldn't of been good value at all.  Stanley helps us and was a need, lets just hope hes not another Michael Oher. 

Now, the only thing I would change is the second round pick.  As I think @JoeyFlex5 has pointed out, I think Dodd was our second round target and I would of been thrilled to get pass rusher, I really liked Ngakoue as well, not sure how he is doing in Tampa, and there was still some corners on the board.  But, im not saying KC is a bust by any means, I was just hoping we would of gotten instant production from our 2nd round pick, its way to early to judge what KC is, that's my outlook.  

Ngakoue is actually with the Jaguars, and according to the Jags friend I talk to, he's a good pass-rusher and not a liability vs the run (though not as good as Fowler, who is the starter)

[arnie_uk]

In hindsight with the fact Monroe appears to be done in the nfl, Stanley. But at that time when I thought Monroe was still viable I would have took ramsey, but to play in webbs position beside Weddle.

[KBoum]

This is not Stanley or Ramsey... the question is :

 

Ramsey vs Stanley + Kaufusi or Young because the Cowboys wanted  3rd to move and the Ravens only wanted to give up a 4th

 

I'm very pleased with Stanley so far

[OUravensfan]

Re-poll in a few years, but Stanley has been good so far and given the Monroe debacle I'd say I'd go with Stanley.

If need on a team wasn't a factor I'd say I need more time to see how good both can be at their position in the NFL

Edited September 23, 2016 by OUravensfan

[AWOLFNATION]

During the draft, I was really hoping that Ramsey would somehow fall to the Ravens. When I heard that they tried to trade up with the Cowboys in order to draft him, but that the deal fell through, I was somewhat disappointed. We have seen the team have lackluster secondary play for a few seasons now, and the notion of having a top-notch prospect like Ramsey was pretty appealing. I'll also admit that I wasn't thrilled with the Stanley pick, and viewed it as an overly safe pick for a team that needed playmakers. However, Stanley has proven to be worth the pick. The importance of a good offensive line can't be overstated, and having a player like Stanley will pay dividends down the road. Ramsey should have a nice impact in Jacksonville, and Stanley will be a force on the offensive line for Baltimore.

[Purple_City39]

8 hours ago, Sami84 said:

frankly the correa and kaufusi picks are looking like wastes now. in hindsight

 

Round 2:Carl Nassib

Round 3:Joe thuney

What's with this trend of calling someone a bust/wasted pick if they get injured their rookie season or don't contribute from day one?

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

What's with this trend of calling someone a bust/wasted pick if they get injured their rookie season or don't contribute from day one?

 

honestly with correa i just dont see it. With kaufusi i cant get over his age. He'll be 26 next year..by the time his rookie contract is done with he'll be almost 30.

Edited September 23, 2016 by Sami84

[cobrajet]

Ramsey was almost talked about by the draft gurus like he was destined to be a shutdown corner and we all know the value of a shutdown corner in the NFL. However, IMHO the biggest need on our team was for a Left Tackle, after we lost K.O. in free agency and Monroe's work ethic and injury history was a huge question mark. IMHO, Stanley was the best pass protecting Tackle in the draft. After Joe's knee injury, I thought Stanley was a great pick to protect our franchise quarterback, but I was hoping to keep Monroe as insurance. After losing Monroe to retirement, the Stanley pick became even more necessary. I am glad things worked out for the best. Stanley is turning out to be a good I thought he would be in pass protection.