If we could do it over again: Ramsey or Stanley?

[flynismo]

Obviously, this is a question that may never have a clear answer, and at the least, will take a couple years to see the career paths of each guy.

But let's turn back the clock to draft day, and let's assume that Dallas was willing to make a trade happen.

Would you:

1. Pull the trigger on the Ramsey trade

2. Stay put and draft Stanley

3. Something else (draft another player instead of Stanley, trade down, etc)

 

Just for sake of discussion:

"Ramsey, who starts for the Jaguars at cornerback, has been targeted nine times through the first two games, according to Pro Football Focus, and has given up six receptions for 48 yards and a touchdown.

Meanwhile, Stanley has played all but three snaps for the Ravens at left tackle and hasn't allowed a single sack. Baltimore has to be happy with this pick, but members of the front office may be a little envious if Ramsey ends up making a game-changing play on Sunday."

[Gtown Purple]

I voted to pick stanley anyway. The fact that no team picked up Monroe says alot. Our OL would be alot weaker without stanley. Our corners are holding up ok.

[harfordravenfan]

7 minutes ago, Gtown Purple said:

I voted to pick stanley anyway. The fact that no team picked up Monroe says alot. Our OL would be alot weaker without stanley. Our corners are holding up ok.

I voted to keep Stanley as well. As much as Ramsey would've helped our defense... Solidifying the LT was IMO the best move

[jboy19]

I would stick with Stanley for a couple reasons: 

a. Stanley was a bigger need. Monroe was inconsistent and seemed to be more passionate about his marijuana crusade than actual football. Since he did end up retiring, I'm thinking I might have been right in thinking that. Either way, moving forward with Monroe seemed like a bad option at the time and a worse option knowing what we know now. 

b. Stanley appears to be a better prospect. Stanley hasn't allowed a sack yet, and that is extremely impressive considering how most other rookie tackles have fared the past couple years. Ramsey did pretty good against GB in the slot, but he seems to have struggles on the outside. This is definitely something that could change, but I think he fits more of the slot corner/nickel safety role than a perimeter corner role. 

c. The Draft next year has lots of corner talent and not much OL talent. This is another thing that could change, but with guys like Desmond King, Jalen Tabor, Tre'Davious White, Cam Sutton, Cordrea Tankersley and Jourdan Lewis at the top of big boards, I'm thinking there are going to be a lot of corners to take next year. Cam Robinson seems like the top OL talent, but he doesn't look nearly as polished as Stanley. 

[Purple_City39]

I'd still draft Stanley with zero hesitation.  Right now, we have CBs everyone has seen potential in that haven't hit the field at all.  Who's the LT behind Stanley?  

[ALPHA]

Stanley. Ramsey looks like he could be a stud but our team lives and dies by Flacco and he needs a clean pocket.

[AsianRice]

I've always wanted a franchise left tackle ever since JO retired; what McKinnie did during our superbowl run is even proving my case that we must have a stable LT....How many deep balls Joe threw during the Superbowl without a sack? plenty and the key for superbowl run.

 

Stanley is the perfect answer....he will stay here until Joe retires, so it is a dream comes true......

 

PS: sometime 5-11 record is a blessing in disguise......

Edited September 22, 2016 by AsianRice

[JoeyFlex5]

Simple. We have a player who dictates the results of the whole team. He takes up a large portion of our funds, he plays the position that is absolutely the hardest to find, and he plays it at a high level, and we often win because of him and often our losses are in spite of his play(we've had a fair share of losses solely on Flaccos shoulders but that's another topic), and this player is coming off of a devastating injury thanks to horrible play at LT and no solution in sight.

OBVIOUSLY Stanley was and still is the best choice, and I highly doubt it changes. I don't see Ramsey playing well enough to change my mind at any point. And I must say I was totally wrong about stanley, I questioned his work ethic and character due to the ridiculous reports about him, but never questioned his talent. 

Commend Ozzie for having the stones to pass up on the consensus top guy for Stanley, whether it was because of the gas mask vid Or if it was Stanley being light years ahead in terms of pro readiness.. Brilliant and ballsy move that looks brilliant thus far.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

OBVIOUSLY Stanley was and still is the best choice, and I highly doubt it changes. I don't see Ramsey playing well enough to change my mind at any point. 

I don't think it was that obvious at the time, otherwise we wouldn't have tried to trade up for Ramsey. It's hard to say what our plans were at the time. My guess is we wanted to trade up for Ramsey, and since we already had a starting LT under contract (albeit a mediocre one that I never liked), we probably were going to target a guy in the later rounds -- someone like Alex Lewis.

Time will tell with Ramsey. I expected him to have a rough rookie year, and his first two games have been pretty rough, but I think he will come into his own within his first three seasons in the league. Regardless of how he turns out, Stanley is just too good for Ramsey's play to sway anyone's opinion.

[ellicottraven]

I have this gut feeling that Stanley was the top tackle on our board ahead of Smokin' Laremy Tunsil. I think the video just sealed the deal for Ozzie and gang. I think our board was stacked with Ramsey followed by Stanley and then maybe VH3 (not sure though)...

[flynismo]

Just now, ellicottraven said:

I have this gut feeling that Stanley was the top tackle on our board ahead of Smokin' Laremy Tunsil. I think the video just sealed the deal for Ozzie and gang. I think our board was stacked with Ramsey followed by Stanley and then maybe VH3 (not sure though)...

I doubt we had VH3 that high; my guess is probably Bosa and Elliot were the guys we wanted after Ramsey and Stanley...who knows though...

[Maryland]

Value and need both matched-up for either Stanley or Tunsil. I wanted Tunsil way more than Stanley at the time, but Stanley seems to be a fine pick. Tunsil was a better run-blocker, but Stanley was more pro-ready, less injury-prone, and didn't have off-field issues (even if Tunsil's were very benign). Simply put: Stanley was the safer pick. 

If we don't draft a LT (like, if we got Ramsey instead), then we're probably using a stop-gap LT who isn't very good for this season. 

[AsianRice]

One who votes for Ramsey must be troll cuz I understand before the draft or before the preseason, but into week 3, who do you have at left tackle if no Stanley? 

Joe should be re-injured his knee if anyone but Stanley at LT right now....

[Tiznut]

Stanley then. Stanley now. 

My concern regarding Ramsey was that his metrics were awesome but he generated very few turnovers. 

[Jacquouille]

Ramsey looks great but our OL would be a tragedy if it weren't for Ronnie. And our QB isn't Russell Wilson, so Ronnie it is.

[AsianRice]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

Ramsey looks great but our OL would be a tragedy if it weren't for Ronnie. And our QB isn't Russell Wilson, so Ronnie it is.

Well, Russell struggled immensely when his O-line collapsed against the Rams....

[PurpleCity5]

Stanley. I don't know who we would put at LT and I wouldn't like to imagine it either. Stanley has been good so far and I think he's going to be even better later on. I'm very happy with the pick.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Stanley.

A lot of great reasons have been listed, but i think theres one thats above any others.

This guy is now a RAVEN. Things happened this way and i know this is a hypothetical... but we drafted him. Hes been here a few months now and played well. Hes now a part of the family, and i wouldnt change that for anyone in the draft.

Yes - the hole at LT is a huge reason, the fact that he might be playing the best of anyone drafted 6th or higher, and all the other reasons are very important and you can make the case easily with those alone.

But, hes a part of the Flock now... and wanting to change that would be a crime.

[BmoreBird22]

At the time, it was Ramsey for me, and in a way, I'd still want him, BUT...

Stanley has been terrific surrendering 6 total pressures and nothing more, according to PFF. To face two teams that do have solid pass rushes (at least invested a lot in there), that's awesome.

I picked Stanley because he's been better than advertised, but I'd be happy with either one.

[The Raven]

Stanley and it's not even debatable to me.

[usmccharles]

I voted Stanley

At the time, right before the draft my latest mock had us taking Stanley with Tunsil still on the board.  Now, that doesn't mean I wanted him most, but I like the pick the most if that makes any sense.  Of course I wanted the big defense splash play maker, I really wanted Myles Jack but obviously that wouldn't of been good value at all.  Stanley helps us and was a need, lets just hope hes not another Michael Oher. 

Now, the only thing I would change is the second round pick.  As I think @JoeyFlex5 has pointed out, I think Dodd was our second round target and I would of been thrilled to get pass rusher, I really liked Ngakoue as well, not sure how he is doing in Tampa, and there was still some corners on the board.  But, im not saying KC is a bust by any means, I was just hoping we would of gotten instant production from our 2nd round pick, its way to early to judge what KC is, that's my outlook.  

[flynismo]

38 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Stanley and it's not even debatable to me.

Same here, and it's not debatable to me either...now. I was really disappointed when JAX took Ramsey, he was my #1 guy. But when we took Stanley, that disappointment quickly vanished. Now, it's not even close..

[PolishRifle]

God, I hated the Stanley pick. God, was I wrong. Stanley fo sho.

Edited September 22, 2016 by PolishRifle

[RavensFanMania]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Simple. We have a player who dictates the results of the whole team. He takes up a large portion of our funds, he plays the position that is absolutely the hardest to find, and he plays it at a high level, and we often win because of him and often our losses are in spite of his play(we've had a fair share of losses solely on Flaccos shoulders but that's another topic), and this player is coming off of a devastating injury thanks to horrible play at LT and no solution in sight.

OBVIOUSLY Stanley was and still is the best choice, and I highly doubt it changes. I don't see Ramsey playing well enough to change my mind at any point. And I must say I was totally wrong about stanley, I questioned his work ethic and character due to the ridiculous reports about him, but never questioned his talent. 

Commend Ozzie for having the stones to pass up on the consensus top guy for Stanley, whether it was because of the gas mask vid Or if it was Stanley being light years ahead in terms of pro readiness.. Brilliant and ballsy move that looks brilliant thus far.

AND it's the reason I drafted Stanley in the Forum Draft.  I'll stick with Stanley

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

I don't think it was that obvious at the time, otherwise we wouldn't have tried to trade up for Ramsey. It's hard to say what our plans were at the time. My guess is we wanted to trade up for Ramsey, and since we already had a starting LT under contract (albeit a mediocre one that I never liked), we probably were going to target a guy in the later rounds -- someone like Alex Lewis.

Time will tell with Ramsey. I expected him to have a rough rookie year, and his first two games have been pretty rough, but I think he will come into his own within his first three seasons in the league. Regardless of how he turns out, Stanley is just too good for Ramsey's play to sway anyone's opinion.

Right I think I worded it wrong by saying he obviously WAS the better choice. I think LT was a wiser investment in general and I thought so at the time as well but I had doubts in both LT prospects. A part of me wanted Ramsey for the raw excitement factor but I know we're much better off giving Joe a franchise LT and I think most knew it at the time as well

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I have this gut feeling that Stanley was the top tackle on our board ahead of Smokin' Laremy Tunsil. I think the video just sealed the deal for Ozzie and gang. I think our board was stacked with Ramsey followed by Stanley and then maybe VH3 (not sure though)...

I wanna say bosa was above the LTs. he struck me as a real Ozzie type of guy. I also don't think he would be in this debacle anywhere else outside of SD

[GrimCoconut]

What about Stanley vs Conklin? 

As for the question, that's tough because I think highly of both but the fact that we kept our 3rd round pick and got a LT to protect a QB coming off an ACL tear who still honestly looks a bit reluctant to test out that knee makes believe we made the right choice 

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wanna say bosa was above the LTs. he struck me as a real Ozzie type of guy. I also don't think he would be in this debacle anywhere else outside of SD

Nobody will ever know outside of the brain trust, but after seeing the Bosa debacle playing out, I'm glad Stanley is our man. Ten years from now, I'm sure he'll still be guarding Joe's blind side.

[JoeyFlex5]

Stanley and wentz have been the unquestioned top performing rookies this far. Every other first rounder has been an afterthought. The ravens definitely got the most value and pro ready player in the draft by taking the top performer at 6th while the next top performer took a mortgaging of the future to acquire. 

The ravens simply committed armed robbery by doing absolutely nothing but selecting a safe player.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

What about Stanley vs Conklin? 

As for the question, that's tough because I think highly of both but the fact that we kept our 3rd round pick and got a LT to protect a QB coming off an ACL tear who still honestly looks a bit reluctant to test out that knee makes believe we made the right choice 

If we could have traded back with someone I would of been ok with Conklin, hes looked good from what I hear