Lorenzo Taliaferro

[Jonah DeVito]

Does anyone know the status on Talieferro? I haven't heard anything since he was put on the regular season PUP list. I'm very curious as to what the Ravens do with him after the 6 week period. Is he healthy right now? Will he be healthy? I really want the Ravens to keep him, he's a tank and he would really help out our run game if he could just stay healthy. 

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Does anyone know the status on Talieferro? I haven't heard anything since he was put on the regular season PUP list. I'm very curious as to what the Ravens do with him after the 6 week period. Is he healthy right now? Will he be healthy? I really want the Ravens to keep him, he's a tank and he would really help out our run game if he could just stay healthy. 

Best guess... put him on IR or cut him. I don't see a place for him on this team now or in the future.

I think you've seen the last of him in a Ravens uniform.

[gtalk12]

25 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Best guess... put him on IR or cut him. I don't see a place for him on this team now or in the future.

I think you've seen the last of him in a Ravens uniform.

 

based on what?

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, gtalk12 said:

 

based on what?

1. Largely ineffectiveness (at least compared to what we currently have) as a runner.

2. A false perception from the fanbase that he's a short yardage "power back", despite his production in that area being worse than somebody like Forsett's

3. Can't see which RB on the roster he's better than or who he would replace (we aren't carrying 5 RBs)

4. Not a particularly good ST player compared to his peers.

[Sami84]

but he has a cool name which is why we drafted him.

[Sami84]

frankly i also see buck allen on another roster too in the very near future...

 

basically when dixon is back.

[gtalk12]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Largely ineffectiveness (at least compared to what we currently have) as a runner.

2. A false perception from the fanbase that he's a short yardage "power back", despite his production in that area being worse than somebody like Forsett's

3. Can't see which RB on the roster he's better than or who he would replace (we aren't carrying 5 RBs)

4. Not a particularly good ST player compared to his peers.

 

When Justin F went down, I was surprised he did not get the start....in fact, wasn't he battling injuries last year and gave room for Buck Allen to come in and play? These last 2 games do not look good for Justin F or West for that matter..

 

My choices would have been Buck, Lorenzo, and Dixon now that Justin F is in his 30s....I have not been able to watch the games as closely as I have wanted to so I have to back away from this discussion until I can watch the games...

 

 

Buck, Lorenzo, and Dixon are all hurt correct?

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, gtalk12 said:

 

When Justin F went down, I was surprised he did not get the start....in fact, wasn't he battling injuries last year and gave room for Buck Allen to come in and play? These last 2 games do not look good for Justin F or West for that matter..

 

My choices would have been Buck, Lorenzo, and Dixon now that Justin F is in his 30s....I have not been able to watch the games as closely as I have wanted to so I have to back away from this discussion until I can watch the games...

 

 

Buck, Lorenzo, and Dixon are all hurt correct?

Lorenzo is on PUP, Dixon is hurt currently but could be back in a few weeks, and Buck is a healthy inactive every week as the 3rd RB.

 

[Tiznut]

I can see the transition to IR but not being cut and the reason being is that he's going to be able to compete next yr as forsett will probably be gone. 

[rmcjacket23]

30 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

I can see the transition to IR but not being cut and the reason being is that he's going to be able to compete next yr as forsett will probably be gone. 

I doubt that. He'd be in the final year of his rookie deal coming off basically back-to-back wasted seasons.

We would still have Allen, Dixon and West most likely, with the ability to go get another RB in the draft or FA.

Frankly, I wouldn't even see us keeping 4 RBs most years, so this doesn't make much sense to me either.

 

[rmw10]

His career could be circling the drain because of that injury.  He had the dreaded lisfranc and suffered a setback this offseason, which isn't a good thing.  I like the guy, but his injury and the others players on the team don't bode well for him.  It's a shame because he's been solid when on the field, but he's another guy that just has injury after injury,

[gtalk12]

27 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

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this is very true

[ALPHA]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

but he has a cool name which is why we drafted him.

Pharoah such a dope nickname, too bad he can't live up to it.

[Tiznut]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I doubt that. He'd be in the final year of his rookie deal coming off basically back-to-back wasted seasons.

We would still have Allen, Dixon and West most likely, with the ability to go get another RB in the draft or FA.

Frankly, I wouldn't even see us keeping 4 RBs most years, so this doesn't make much sense to me either.

 

His rookie contract is cheap and he's serviceable. It's the right pay for what essentially is a part time player. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Tiznut said:

His rookie contract is cheap and he's serviceable. It's the right pay for what essentially is a part time player. 

But he's really not a part time player. We've paid him for almost two years to NOT play for us.

Serviceable players like him are a dime a dozen in this league, and we've got at least 3 and maybe even 4 RBs on this roster right now that can do everything he can do... and they're healthy and mostly just as cheap.

 

[Jonah DeVito]

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Largely ineffectiveness (at least compared to what we currently have) as a runner.

2. A false perception from the fanbase that he's a short yardage "power back", despite his production in that area being worse than somebody like Forsett's

3. Can't see which RB on the roster he's better than or who he would replace (we aren't carrying 5 RBs)

4. Not a particularly good ST player compared to his peers.

From the little we have seen on the field from him I do believe he could compete with Forsett and West. Next season I could see is being Talieferro, West, and Dixon. He has always been a solid runner it's just been the health issues 

[Tiznut]

55 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But he's really not a part time player. We've paid him for almost two years to NOT play for us.

Serviceable players like him are a dime a dozen in this league, and we've got at least 3 and maybe even 4 RBs on this roster right now that can do everything he can do... and they're healthy and mostly just as cheap.

 

His playing time this yr and last doesn't negate what I wrote.   Again I understand that you disagree but it still doesn't change my assessment of what will happen. 

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

His playing time this yr and last doesn't negate what I wrote.   Again I understand that you disagree but it still doesn't change my assessment of what will happen. 

His playing time in the past and present is about the only thing that matters when it comes to determining if he actually will get any playing time in the future with this team.

We'd have to cut a better player to keep him, which doesn't make the team any better.

[Tiznut]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

His playing time in the past and present is about the only thing that matters when it comes to determining if he actually will get any playing time in the future with this team.

We'd have to cut a better player to keep him, which doesn't make the team any better.

Again if we weren't planing trying to use him next yr he'd be in a similar position as campanaro.  

 

Thought it was clear before but I see you're insistent on having the last word. Your opinion does not change what I've said. Your opinion is simply that. You disagreeing with mine is completely irrelevant as I've stated mine and given clear concise reasons for them. But yes keep trying to debate. 

[sibelius]

He's basically insurance in case a rash of injuries strike in the next few weeks. Otherwise there's just no place for him here. 

Doesn't have the lower body strength to impose like a Brandon Jacobs and doesn't have to speed/agility to be a one cut slasher like an Arian Foster (which I think the hope for him was). It's too bad but such is the business. 

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, sibelius said:

He's basically insurance in case a rash of injuries strike in the next few weeks. Otherwise there's just no place for him here. 

Doesn't have the lower body strength to impose like a Brandon Jacobs and doesn't have to speed/agility to be a one cut slasher like an Arian Foster (which I think the hope for him was). It's too bad but such is the business. 

Obviously not to the level of Jacobs, but I think he could be a power back type if he learned about leverage.  He runs way too high and that's always limited him as a power runner.  He's been solid of course, but as you said, he doesn't stand out in either area.

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, Tiznut said:

Again if we weren't planing trying to use him next yr he'd be in a similar position as campanaro.  

 

Thought it was clear before but I see you're insistent on having the last word. Your opinion does not change what I've said. Your opinion is simply that. You disagreeing with mine is completely irrelevant as I've stated mine and given clear concise reasons for them. But yes keep trying to debate. 

LOL he basically is in the same situation as Campanaro... 

[AppStRavenfan]

I feel like when talking about Taliaferro it's one of those things where you just get painted on one of the extremes and all rational conversation goes out the window. You can't say you like him as a back without people treating you like you think he's the next great thing, you can't think he has no future with the team without thinking he's the worst RB ever - it's just one of those annoying things that happens with some players. I think it's clear that LT has shown enough in his limited time to safely say he's a pretty good runner with potential to be much better, "is there room for him?" is the question

I can definitely see a future here for Taliaferro. If Dixon comes in next week or in 2 weeks and proves to be as good of a receiving back as we think he can be plus his clear skill as a pure rusher then I think Buck has a bigger chance of being cut than LT, Buck is just a clear cut receiving back that doesn't offer anything but average at best running - and I'd argue below average honestly. LT has the size of a power back, if he could just learn to get low and drive he'd be a great short yardage back, his big problem in those situations has been him running into the pile standing straight up - and saying he isn't as good in short yardage situations as a player like Forsett is just ridiculous, even without getting any bend he is better than Forsett in those situations, Forsett is a terrible short yardage back.

I think the FO still clearly likes LT, otherwise there's no reason why he's still with the team on PUP. We could have easily just cut him going into the season and the FO chose not to. If nothing else that's a clear sign that they want to give him another shot at some point, maybe that'll be this season, maybe it won't be until next year, who knows.