Our 2016 Receiving Corps

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

What do Larry Fitzgerald, Kelvin Benjamin, and Mike Wallace all have in Common? All 3 leading the league in TD receptions! 

I like what I see so far in the WR corps, quality and depth. 

Its funny how everybody keeps talking about the run game, as the passing game flies under the radar.

Pitta emerges with a century mark game, from the abyss. I like the options we have this year.

I have been dying to see a speed package on the field with Wallace, Chris Moore, and Perriman all out there at the same time, what a nightmare for opposing defenses. 

What do you guys want to see from the passing game this year?

Edited September 21, 2016 by OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL

[PurpleCity5]

I wanna see more from Kamar Aiken. I'm kinda questioning Trestman a bit. I don't think he has been bad OC but the guy finished with 900 Yards last year, I'm a bit puzzled that he has not contributed much. It may be a Chemistry issues since Aiken was Joe's #1 guy for only two games last year. I hope that for this year things are different as it doesn't make sense how he has not been a factor yet. I really would like to see him emerge. I would also like to see the continued growth and development of Breshad Perriman.

I also would like to see more from the deep passing game. You have serious burners in Wallace, Perriman, and Moore, you should be able to scare the lights out of opposing defenses. 

I think the short and intermediate stuff have been solid, but it can improve, again you have Aiken here, he excels at that. He would be utilized greatly there.

That's pretty much it for me. I think our biggest issues offensively lies in the run game.

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I wanna see more from Kamar Aiken. I'm kinda questioning Trestman a bit. I don't think he has been bad OC but the guy finished with 900 Yards last year, I'm a bit puzzled that he has not contributed much. It may be a Chemistry issues since Aiken was Joe's #1 guy for only two games last year. I hope that for this year things are different as it doesn't make sense how he has not been a factor yet. I really would like to see him emerge. I would also like to see the continued growth and development of Breshad Perriman.

I also would like to see more from the deep passing game. You have serious burners in Wallace, Perriman, and Moore, you should be able to scare the lights out of opposing defenses. 

I think the short and intermediate stuff have been solid, but it can improve, again you have Aiken here, he excels at that. He would be utilized greatly there.

That's pretty much it for me. I think our biggest issues offensively lies in the run game.

I think the lack of seeing Aiken is he has struggled to get open in his limited time on the field. I also see the team leaning more heavily on speed on the outsides with Wallace, Perriman, and Moore and having Smith Sr. work the slot. Aiken has been the odd man out and usually is especially with the amount of 2 tight end sets we play he is struggling with the numbers game.

[balfan23]

I really do think this WR group has the potential to be very good. I've was pretty psyched when we acquired Wallace and early returns look pretty darn good. The fact that Perriman is playing at all is making me want to ask someone to pinch me, as I may be dreaming. SSS is still rounding into form and you could see from the past 2 games that he's still got something in the tank. Moore looks like a promising player and needs to just get some more time under his belt, as he came very close to having a bit of a breakout game yesterday.

Aiken hasn't done much, but is still a viable receiver. Honestly, Aiken's future here is going to depend somewhat on the development of Perriman and Moore. I think both have higher ceilings than Aiken, so his utilization will hinge on how they come along. There are a lot of options and only 1 ball. 

I think this group could really take off if we could get some semblance of a run game. One of Flacco's strong suits is play action and that doesn't work well if no one fears the run. 

[Maryland]

It's cool that we have so much depth, but I'd rather have 1 or 2 WRs who are so talented that you can't take them off the field as opposed to 5 receivers who are all good at different things, since you can only have so many receivers on the field at one time. I'd like for Perriman to emerge as that elite WR we've never had, but he's going to be eased-in slowly, and the jury is still out on how good he'll be.

[52liveforever]

I don't mean to be negative, but I can't boast too loudly about our receivers when the steelers are sitting there with a rediculous corps. Yes, better than we have had in past years, but we are far from the best group.

[stampedehero]

10 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What do Larry Fitzgerald, Kelvin Benjamin, and Mike Wallace all have in Common? All 3 leading the league in TD receptions! 

I like what I see so far in the WR corps, quality and depth. 

Its funny how everybody keeps talking about the run game, as the passing game flies under the radar.

Pitta emerges with a century mark game, from the abyss. I like the options we have this year.

I have been dying to see a speed package on the field with Wallace, Chris Moore, and Perriman all out there at the same time, what a nightmare for opposing defenses. 

What do you guys want to see from the passing game this year?

Chris Moore has the talent but is a later option in a check down. Joe is bonding with Dennis again and Wallace has the man crush going on for Joe.  It seems Wallace gets the one on one match ups when SSS is double teamed.  Wallace is as good as he was in Pittsburgh.  Dennis has the Hands and SSS won't let anyone stop him.   I would like to see Perriman and Aiken get some touch percentages by at least mid season. 

[Sami84]

6 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

I don't mean to be negative, but I can't boast too loudly about our receivers when the steelers are sitting there with a rediculous corps. Yes, better than we have had in past years, but we are far from the best group.

 

outside of antonio brown and taking into account M.bryant isnt playing this year i think  our core is better. Wheaten is average and you'll never convince me otherwise and sammie coats is smaller version of perriman.

[PurpleCity5]

11 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think the lack of seeing Aiken is he has struggled to get open in his limited time on the field. I also see the team leaning more heavily on speed on the outsides with Wallace, Perriman, and Moore and having Smith Sr. work the slot. Aiken has been the odd man out and usually is especially with the amount of 2 tight end sets we play he is struggling with the numbers game.

Possession guys like Aiken do tend to struggle to separate at times, but that's the nature of his skill set. This is what we saw last year. Still, he managed to make plays and great ones at that some times. I think there is definitely a ton of mouths to feed but he can definitely be utilized in the short passing game, even if you're looking for YAC, a trait that I think is underrated in Aiken. 

[January J]

If Moore had caught that potential td pass and that other catch would have stood at the 2 yard line resulting in west or forsett punching one in for another td- people would be raving about our offense right now. It just goes to show you how one or two executed or missed plays can change the entire perception of the offense. Same with defense. Had that one TD where dudes foot was out of bounds been overruled and had Crowell been tripped up on that 80 yard run we probably dominate Cleveland and the whole narrative changes. Woulda coulda shoulda I know- but its a game of inches.

[PurpleHorseman]

Chris Moore is known for great hands. I think he will be fine. His drop was an anomoly. Ravens are deep at WR. Perriman should show better effort on jump balls. He allowed that int. Is it just me or does Moore look faster than Perriman in his routes? Which is saying a lot because Perriman is a 4.2 burner.

Edited September 21, 2016 by PurpleHorseman

[PurpleCity5]

32 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Chris Moore is known for great hands. I think he will be fine. His drop was an anomoly. Ravens are deep at WR. Perriman should show better effort on jump balls. He allowed that int. Is it just me or does Moore look faster than Perriman in his routes? Which is saying a lot because Perriman is a 4.2 burner.

It was a great play by Haden. What's expected of a Vet going up against a Rookie. Haden got inside position on him and boxed him out. I think they're equally fast but Perriman is a good 6-3 220 which combined with his speed is pure crazy. 

[Daft Classic]

13 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

I don't mean to be negative, but I can't boast too loudly about our receivers when the steelers are sitting there with a rediculous corps. Yes, better than we have had in past years, but we are far from the best group.

Brown > Any receiver we've ever had. But beyond that, what makes their WR's so ridiculous? Take away Brown, and what do they have? Wheaton hasn't played this year, and Coates really isn't all that. Would much rather have SSS, Wallace, Aiken, and Perriman than Brown, Wheaton,Coates, and DHB/Rodgers

 

That said, you don't know what I'd do to get Brown to be on this team

[Ravensfan23]

18 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I wanna see more from Kamar Aiken. I'm kinda questioning Trestman a bit. I don't think he has been bad OC but the guy finished with 900 Yards last year, I'm a bit puzzled that he has not contributed much. It may be a Chemistry issues since Aiken was Joe's #1 guy for only two games last year. I hope that for this year things are different as it doesn't make sense how he has not been a factor yet. I really would like to see him emerge. I would also like to see the continued growth and development of Breshad Perriman.

I also would like to see more from the deep passing game. You have serious burners in Wallace, Perriman, and Moore, you should be able to scare the lights out of opposing defenses. 

I think the short and intermediate stuff have been solid, but it can impro3ve, again you have Aiken here, he excels at that. He would be utilized greatly there.

That's pretty much it for me. I think our biggest issues offensively lies in the run game.

The thing that hurts Aiken is that Pitta is back to be Flacco's security blanket on 3rd downs or when he really needs a catch. So while Aiken could have really thrived in that role and taken pressure off SSS as that possession guy. Having Pitta and Wallace for that matter, who's proven to be a really good #2 so far, really hurts Aiken. Than he just doesn't the speed and big play potential of Perriman and Moore, so even though he's playing more offensive snaps then them combined, the only way you'd really look his way is if you scheme him open, like the screen pass last week. We saw the same thing happen to Marlon Brown once SSS joined the team, so times that's the bad breaks you catch. Trestman would be foolish to force feed Aiken imo. 

As far as the deep passing game, scaring the lights out of defenses is exactly why you aren't seeing as many deep passes. Right now it's a lot of 2 high safeties being played against the offense to help protect against the big play down field. You have to take advantage of the short and intermediate stuff and take you shots down field when you can. That's exactly what Trestman did but a few miscues caused the results not to be positive. 

Also in game 1, Flacco just didn't seem to trust the knee, he was throwing flat footed and didn't have much zip or accuracy.  This past game he was much better in that department and it showed with the catch and run opportunities Pitta had. Wallace had a potential huge play on a underneath throw 3rd & 8 in the first quarter. Flacco gets hit and just has to get the ball out there, but if he has a clean pocket and able to hit Wallace in stride he might score. Hitting on plays like that forces Safeties to play tighter and now you have deeper opportunities. 

I think Trestman has called some good games but execution has been off. Once this offense is firing it's gonna be explosive. I think our issues on offense right now are Zuttah and Forsett. I wouldn't mind getting younger at both positions. But this is a WR threat so I'll speak about that else where. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

I don't mean to be negative, but I can't boast too loudly about our receivers when the steelers are sitting there with a rediculous corps. Yes, better than we have had in past years, but we are far from the best group.

What's ridiculous about the Steelers WR group outside of Brown?

Wheaton? Coates?

Bryant made the group dynamic as a deep threat and red zone beast... but without him theres not much that scares me besides Brown. I'd take SSS, Perriman, Wallace, and Aiken all over any Steelers receiver not named Antonio. Maybe even Moore too.

[edthehead]

HEAR ME OUT , please

I understand we need to run better, but in order to run better you have to run often. 

we are built to pass , be honest people

speed and possession WR's catching TE's , catching RB's. we have depth at these positions

what is stanley's strength(pass block) not sure

another reason for our ineptitude, is no hierarchy

yes SSS is our 1, but really who is the clear 1,2,3

it is great that joe is spreading the ball around trying to keep everybody happy

Skill position need rhythm,

I wrote a post months ago saying we are a passing Offense,

our strength is passing like it or not,

joe got the money , he got the weapons,

be not confused my brothers,

" we are a passing offense"  

just have to find our groove.

 

[sibelius]

On September 20, 2016 at 9:30 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

I wanna see more from Kamar Aiken. I'm kinda questioning Trestman a bit. I don't think he has been bad OC but the guy finished with 900 Yards last year, I'm a bit puzzled that he has not contributed much. It may be a Chemistry issues since Aiken was Joe's #1 guy for only two games last year. I hope that for this year things are different as it doesn't make sense how he has not been a factor yet. I really would like to see him emerge. I would also like to see the continued growth and development of Breshad Perriman.

I also would like to see more from the deep passing game. You have serious burners in Wallace, Perriman, and Moore, you should be able to scare the lights out of opposing defenses. 

I think the short and intermediate stuff have been solid, but it can improve, again you have Aiken here, he excels at that. He would be utilized greatly there.

That's pretty much it for me. I think our biggest issues offensively lies in the run game.

I think Aiken has been a casualty of Mike Wallace. Wallace is at least as good as Aiken underneath but has the added ability to beat corners over the top. As an OC it's difficult sub Aiken for Wallace and both Steve and Moore are better in the slot. 

Aiken's guy that is going to get his chances because of injury  

 

 

Edited September 22, 2016 by sibelius

[Maryland]

12 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Chris Moore is known for great hands. I think he will be fine. His drop was an anomoly. Ravens are deep at WR. Perriman should show better effort on jump balls. He allowed that int. Is it just me or does Moore look faster than Perriman in his routes? Which is saying a lot because Perriman is a 4.2 burner.

Chris Moore had shaky hands in college, and his Senior Bowl game was just awful. He's going to have a drop-rate above the league average throughout his career, most likely, but you'll accept that knowing that he's a big-play threat. 

 

Also, with how little Aiken is used, I think we can see why they didn't keep Butler. If Aiken can't find playing time, Butler had no shot being the same type of receiver. 

Edited September 22, 2016 by Maryland

[Inqui]

5 hours ago, sibelius said:

I think Aiken has been a casualty of Mike Wallace. Wallace is at least as good as Aiken underneath but has the added ability to beat corners over the top. As an OC it's difficult sub Aiken for Wallace and both Steve and Moore are better in the slot. 

Aiken's guy that is going to get his chances because of injury  

 

 

No doubt Wallace's instant connection with Joe has taken targets away from Aiken, but I think Pitta's return and Sr's new (relegated) role have both essentially made him redundant. Aiken is a good possession guy/chain mover/security blanket, but those two do the exact same thing for Joe and they're clearly above Aiken in the pecking order.

Rather than being a concern about Aiken's regression or Trestman not using everyone right or something, I think it's a fantastic problem to have. And like you say he'll be on call when/if someone goes down, and we probably won't miss much of a beat.

[January J]

6 hours ago, Maryland said:

Chris Moore had shaky hands in college, and his Senior Bowl game was just awful. He's going to have a drop-rate above the league average throughout his career, most likely, but you'll accept that knowing that he's a big-play threat. 

 

Also, with how little Aiken is used, I think we can see why they didn't keep Butler. If Aiken can't find playing time, Butler had no shot being the same type of receiver. 

Exactly. Had butler made the team he would've been inactive likely every week and if not then still getting minimal targets. Releasing him gave him a shot to shine elsewhere- and if injuries occur we can always make an attempt to bring him back in. No harm no foul. But yeah butler would've been a wasted roster spot. Would you have rather had him or Michael Peirce? That's a rhetorical question if you didn't know. Obviously the latter brings much more value to the team.

[Sami84]

21 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Chris Moore is known for great hands. I think he will be fine. His drop was an anomoly. Ravens are deep at WR. Perriman should show better effort on jump balls. He allowed that int. Is it just me or does Moore look faster than Perriman in his routes? Which is saying a lot because Perriman is a 4.2 burner.

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strange thing about perriman is that his 40 time has never reflected his speed on tape...be it in college or in the little time we've seen on the field in the nfl. Mike Wallace for instance always looked fast..same with desean jackson etc. Perriman has good speed but his 40 time must have been off/inaccurate..there is no way he's a sub 4.3

[jboy19]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

strange thing about perriman is that his 40 time has never reflected his speed on tape...be it in college or in the little time we've seen on the field in the nfl. Mike Wallace for instance always looked fast..same with desean jackson etc. Perriman has good speed but his 40 time must have been off/inaccurate..there is no way he's a sub 4.3

Most players play below their 40 time. Pro Days/Combines are generally when players are in the measurably best shape of their life. They did that veterans combine a couple years ago and I don't think anyone cracked a 4.7 40.  

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

Most players play below their 40 time. Pro Days/Combines are generally when players are in the measurably best shape of their life. They did that veterans combine a couple years ago and I don't think anyone cracked a 4.7 40. 

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Just saying he doesnt look like a burner. Hes got good speed but he's not electric..40 times are overrated anyway.

[PurpleCity5]

18 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The thing that hurts Aiken is that Pitta is back to be Flacco's security blanket on 3rd downs or when he really needs a catch. So while Aiken could have really thrived in that role and taken pressure off SSS as that possession guy. Having Pitta and Wallace for that matter, who's proven to be a really good #2 so far, really hurts Aiken. Than he just doesn't the speed and big play potential of Perriman and Moore, so even though he's playing more offensive snaps then them combined, the only way you'd really look his way is if you scheme him open, like the screen pass last week. We saw the same thing happen to Marlon Brown once SSS joined the team, so times that's the bad breaks you catch. Trestman would be foolish to force feed Aiken imo. 

As far as the deep passing game, scaring the lights out of defenses is exactly why you aren't seeing as many deep passes. Right now it's a lot of 2 high safeties being played against the offense to help protect against the big play down field. You have to take advantage of the short and intermediate stuff and take you shots down field when you can. That's exactly what Trestman did but a few miscues caused the results not to be positive. 

Also in game 1, Flacco just didn't seem to trust the knee, he was throwing flat footed and didn't have much zip or accuracy.  This past game he was much better in that department and it showed with the catch and run opportunities Pitta had. Wallace had a potential huge play on a underneath throw 3rd & 8 in the first quarter. Flacco gets hit and just has to get the ball out there, but if he has a clean pocket and able to hit Wallace in stride he might score. Hitting on plays like that forces Safeties to play tighter and now you have deeper opportunities. 

I think Trestman has called some good games but execution has been off. Once this offense is firing it's gonna be explosive. I think our issues on offense right now are Zuttah and Forsett. I wouldn't mind getting younger at both positions. But this is a WR threat so I'll speak about that else where. 

Yeah no doubt Pitta and Wallace have surely hurt Aiken's opportunity to produce. This is the deepest group of WRs we have had since...well...ever. I don't think that automatically makes Aiken useless. There are still some traits Aiken has that we can utilize. As I said before, he's great in YAC and the short and intermediate routes. I've noticed that against Cleveland the passing game was a bit sluggish at times and struggled to get into rhythm. While it didn't look that way, Joe still passed for only 55% and it was much worse early on.  I think that Aiken opening up those short routes will allow us to simply burn teams deep. You have plenty of use for Aiken and while I don't think he's going to produce like last year, I still think he can more than contribute unlike Brown who was a casualty of Steve Smith Sr. but also lacked many traits to make him a viable option. 

[jboy19]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

Just saying he doesnt look like a burner. Hes got good speed but he's not electric..40 times are overrated anyway.

I do think the goal in drafting him was to get a bigger, physical receiver instead of a burner. I wasn't a huge fan of the pick when it happened, but it seems to have been an okay pick up to this point. 

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Yeah no doubt Pitta and Wallace have surely hurt Aiken's opportunity to produce. This is the deepest group of WRs we have had since...well...ever. I don't think that automatically makes Aiken useless. There are still some traits Aiken has that we can utilize. As I said before, he's great in YAC and the short and intermediate routes. I've noticed that against Cleveland the passing game was a bit sluggish at times and struggled to get into rhythm. While it didn't look that way, Joe still passed for only 55% and it was much worse early on.  I think that Aiken opening up those short routes will allow us to simply burn teams deep. You have plenty of use for Aiken and while I don't think he's going to produce like last year, I still think he can more than contribute unlike Brown who was a casualty of Steve Smith Sr. but also lacked many traits to make him a viable option. 

Oh definitely Aiken has a role here. What I was saying is that Aiken just isn't being featured right now and given the choice Flacco seems to like the potential big play result of getting the ball to Moore or Perriman.

Moore had a diving 1st down catch on 3rd down vs the Browns. On that play Aiken had a 1on1 match-up on the outside. The Browns blitz and had a a single high Safety, so because it was man across the board it was YAC potential. Aiken ran a jerk route and was wide open, but Flacco moved off his progression to give Moore a opportunity to catch a shallow cross and run. Moore was covered tighter than Aiken, but Moore has more potential to make a big play. Now obviously I'm not in Flacco's head so I don't know what he was thinking, bit it definitely think getting Moore and Perriman involved is a focus..... Can't say the same about Aiken.

[Davesta]

Is Aiken on a 1 year , prove it deal? Or did we resign him long term? I wonder if he doesn't get featured more, he'll leave after this season out of spite. 

[Tank 92]

On September 21, 2016 at 2:15 PM, PurpleHorseman said:

Ravens are deep at WR. 

Here's a sentence that was never before written as a true statement.  haha

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

Just saying he doesnt look like a burner. Hes got good speed but he's not electric..40 times are overrated anyway.

I think if we gave him the same route as Wallace week 1 TD, I think we would be able to see BP open up, or maybe hes still holding back. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Would love to see a 300+ yards receiving game...wait a minute...that's already done with more to come. We're just that deep. Believe that.