Should Jimmy Smith be benched?

[PurpleCity5]

I hope he breaks out soon. He was good against Buffalo but kind of had a bit of a down game against Cleveland. I don't think we've seen the 2014 Jimmy yet, more like the end of the year 2015 Jimmy Smith but I think he should be getting closer to the level of production of 2014 as the season goes on. I really hope and think that will be the case. I think him giving up the cushion may be dependent on the fact that he could still be working his way back to shape. He did get foot surgery past off-season if I can recall. 

7 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Exaggerating as usual, but there is a bit of truth here. He does seem reluctant to man up and can give way too much cushion. 

 

[ravensnj]

18 hours ago, Tornado700 said:

Geez, sorry I brought it up. Rough board.

Jimmy has been sporadic over the years. We gave him top money to be that shut down corner, and he's not. He is great against a big Wr like a Brandon Marshall, but, when he is covering fast and shifty guys like Coleman, I am scared to death when the ball is thrown his way. He needs help over the top and plays to far off top receivers.  All in all, we have no replacements yet, so we must cover his weaknesses until a replacement can be drafted or acquired. At that point, he will be a dominant #2 corner.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I hope he breaks out soon. He was good against Buffalo but kind of had a bit of a down game against Cleveland. I don't think we've seen the 2014 Jimmy yet, more like the end of the year 2015 Jimmy Smith but I think he should be getting closer to the level of production of 2014 as the season goes on. I really hope and think that will be the case. I think him giving up the cushion may be dependent on the fact that he could still be working his way back to shape. He did get foot surgery past off-season if I can recall. 

 

I've still yet to see stats of Jimmy so it's hard for anyone to make a judgment Call.  

[balfan23]

Sure ... as soon as we bring in Patrick Peterson and Richard Sherman, we'll put Smith on the bench. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

On 9/19/2016 at 3:50 PM, Tornado700 said:

I don't know if he is injured or not, but I gotta admit that he is starting to make me pretty nervous out there. Wright looks great but I freak out everytime they throw Jimmy's way. Also, too many flags are thrown because of him. I say rest him for at least a game and let's look at another one of these DB's.

Can you RANK our corners from best to worst? In your opinion, just curious....

[jdynamite]

On September 19, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Tornado700 said:

I don't know if he is injured or not, but I gotta admit that he is starting to make me pretty nervous out there. Wright looks great but I freak out everytime they throw Jimmy's way. Also, too many flags are thrown because of him. I say rest him for at least a game and let's look at another one of these DB's.

So who is he going to be benched for? Who's the replacement, aren't many options...   

Jimmy hasn't looked as bad as Revis

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I've still yet to see stats of Jimmy so it's hard for anyone to make a judgment Call.  

He has not popped up in the stat line much but he's got to catch those INT's. I've seen it so many times with him where the ball is in his hands but he just can't make the catch. It happened against Cleveland and I think Buffalo as well, I don't really recall or maybe it was someone else. It did happen plenty of times last year and the year before. I know it happens to many of guys but when the ball hits your hands you got to make those plays. Simple.  

In my very honest opinion, he has been solid but not his 2014 self where he just dominated. That's just the truth of it. I think he's getting closer though and has looked miles better this year than last but he's not fully there yet.  I hope he gets back there, it will make us so much more better. It's very clear that we're just a better defense when Jimmy is playing at his best.

[Tank 92]

6 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Sure ... as soon as we bring in Patrick Peterson and Richard Sherman, we'll put Smith on the bench. 

Obviously the OP is a bit misguided with the question. But it is a valid question to ask, when is Jimmy going to be the guy we thought he would be? He's playing well, but nothing more. He just doesn't seem aggressive and often plays soft. And I don't think I'm imagining that he has dropped as many picks, if not more, than he has made. That sucks. 

Don't get me wrong, JS is a good CB for us, but just think/hope he can get to the next level.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Tank 92

[trevorsteadman]

Jimmy Smith just barely had surgery how long ago and still knocking off rust? Also Jimmy is exceptional against the bigger receivers and sometimes gets beat by the faster ones. Relax. This defense has been shut down 7/8 quarters this season. That is without their best pass rush specialist. 

[balfan23]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

Obviously the OP is a bit misguided with the question. But it is a valid question to ask, when is Jimmy going to be the guy we thought he would be? He's playing well, but nothing more. He just doesn't seem aggressive and often plays soft. And I don't think I'm imagining that he has dropped as many picks, if not more, than he has made. That sucks. 

Don't get me wrong, JS is a good CB for us, but just think/hope he can get to the next level.

I agree. I've stated that one of the keys to this teams success was to see if the claim that lingering injury has prevented Jimmy from being the player we thought he would be. I felt like that excuse expires this season and we need to see him in that form, no matter what. So, there is no doubt that he needs to fulfill that expectation in order for us to get where we want to be as a team. 

I just think since he's not meeting the high expectations, its caused many to downgrade his play more than it really has been. A thread like this kinda shows it. 

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

He has not popped up in the stat line much but he's got to catch those INT's. I've seen it so many times with him where the ball is in his hands but he just can't make the catch. It happened against Cleveland and I think Buffalo as well, I don't really recall or maybe it was someone else. It did happen plenty of times last year and the year before. I know it happens to many of guys but when the ball hits your hands you got to make those plays. Simple.  

In my very honest opinion, he has been solid but not his 2014 self where he just dominated. That's just the truth of it. I think he's getting closer though and has looked miles better this year than last but he's not fully there yet.  I hope he gets back there, it will make us so much more better. It's very clear that we're just a better defense when Jimmy is playing at his best.

Yea i didnt mean as in tackles, ints, etc, mainly meant about thrown at and yards allowed. INTs are nice and all, but im more concerned about the stats that down show in the box score.  Think @Filmstudy would be able to help here?

[ellicottraven]

Once Doom gets back, I think the secondary will settle down because they won't have to cover too long. Either the QB throws the ball quickly, gives it to a RB or gets sacked. Those are his only options. So, the secondary won't have to cover the receivers for very long and that will help not just Jimmy but Shareece as well.

Edited September 21, 2016 by ellicottraven

[Tank 92]

9 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I agree. I've stated that one of the keys to this teams success was to see if the claim that lingering injury has prevented Jimmy from being the player we thought he would be. I felt like that excuse expires this season and we need to see him in that form, no matter what. So, there is no doubt that he needs to fulfill that expectation in order for us to get where we want to be as a team. 

I just think since he's not meeting the high expectations, its caused many to downgrade his play more than it really has been. A thread like this kinda shows it. 

Yeah, he's two years removed from the injury so if that's still an issue he may never pan out and that would suck. Hopefully that's not the case.

[BmoreBird22]

28 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, he's two years removed from the injury so if that's still an issue he may never pan out and that would suck. Hopefully that's not the case.

Well, he had foot surgery in the offseason to remove the screws and he didn't start practicing again until training camp.

And there's a big difference between just being fast and being explosive and I think we're going to see more of that as the season comes along.

[BmoreBird22]

17 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Jimmy has been sporadic over the years. We gave him top money to be that shut down corner, and he's not. He is great against a big Wr like a Brandon Marshall, but, when he is covering fast and shifty guys like Coleman, I am scared to death when the ball is thrown his way. He needs help over the top and plays to far off top receivers.  All in all, we have no replacements yet, so we must cover his weaknesses until a replacement can be drafted or acquired. At that point, he will be a dominant #2 corner.

Well, he allowed all of one catch to Coleman, so....

[Tank 92]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, he had foot surgery in the offseason to remove the screws and he didn't start practicing again until training camp.

And there's a big difference between just being fast and being explosive and I think we're going to see more of that as the season comes along.

Right. We need Jimmy to be decisive and aggressive.  And my lord, he needs to catch the ball when it is thrown to him. Maybe he could hang out after practice with Mike W. at the Juggs machine.

[JoeyFlex5]

When you wonder why Jimmy may struggle against smaller shifty guys(which is only partly true, he does very well against Antonio brown) then realize he is a very large corner, one of the bigger ones in the league up there with pat Pete and aqib talib, who have both also struggled with those types of guys, because it's a mismatch based on natural agility, higher center of gravity = stiffer hips almost all the time, and when you factor in that Jimmy is a pretty large man trying to shift weight and explode in different directions on a foot with screws in it, then it all begins to make sense. 

Jimmy is still playing well, but liafrancs derail careers. Even if he stays playing at this level it's satisfactory and basically expected

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Right. We need Jimmy to be decisive and aggressive.  And my lord, he needs to catch the ball when it is thrown to him. Maybe he could hang out after practice with Mike W. at the Juggs machine.

I think the most frustrating thing is that he's made some insane interceptions where he has to wrestle it from the opponent, but he's dropping the easy ones.

[GrimCoconut]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think the most frustrating thing is that he's made some insane interceptions where he has to wrestle it from the opponent, but he's dropping the easy ones.

How about that ridiculous fingertip interception against I think Tom Brady in 2011/2012 AFCCG VS NE

[BmoreBird22]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

How about that ridiculous fingertip interception against I think Tom Brady in 2011/2012 AFCCG VS NE

The tipped ball from Pollard. Such a crazy awesome play.

[Tiznut]

He will get benched once someone beats him out for playing time. 

 

He isn't flawless but there's not a better CB on the roster.  For some reason being a former first rounder people will complain if he plays off his man, never mind that they don't know what his assignment really is, but not complain as much with a nickel corner struggling to keep coverage on his man.  

[gtalk12]

lmao WHY???

[ALPHA]

Does anyone think he's lost a step? he was never the most agile corner but now he just labors to turn.

[gtalk12]

12 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Does anyone think he's lost a step? he was never the most agile corner but now he just labors to turn.

 

He has not been healthy for as extended period of time.

[GrimCoconut]

On 9/22/2016 at 2:02 PM, ALPHA said:

Does anyone think he's lost a step? he was never the most agile corner but now he just labors to turn.

Never the most agile CB? 

[ALPHA]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Never the most agile CB? 

It's a common trait amongst bigger, taller corners.

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, ALPHA said:

It's a common trait amongst bigger, taller corners.

But a good trait in Jimmy is shutting down bigger receivers. Like Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, etc. Which is a good chunk of the league so I will take it. Brandon Marshall said Jimmy was the best corner he played against all year a couple years back. When he is put in the right situation he can thrive but speedy receivers usually win against the bigger corners. Which is why you want a mix of size and speed.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

It's a common trait amongst bigger, taller corners.

Jimmy Smith isn't lacking any agility. His 3 cone was solid. It wasn't ridiculous but it was good and I don't see stiff hips on him. If you're talking about deep speed he has that, too. He's coming off a serious injury and I'm not sure he'll ever be the same and be 2014 Jimmy Smith but if he returns to that he'll be a top5 CB IMO. 

[BmoreBird22]

17 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Jimmy Smith isn't lacking any agility. His 3 cone was solid. It wasn't ridiculous but it was good and I don't see stiff hips on him. If you're talking about deep speed he has that, too. He's coming off a serious injury and I'm not sure he'll ever be the same and be 2014 Jimmy Smith but if he returns to that he'll be a top5 CB IMO. 

Never had an issue with covering AB historically, so he's got the agility.

[Deflated Football]

On 9/20/2016 at 2:15 AM, Tank 92 said:

Exaggerating as usual, but there is a bit of truth here. He does seem reluctant to man up and can give way too much cushion. 

He's a bit overrated on these boards. I'm not sure if he'll ever return to his lockdown self, but it's not looking promising