[News] Late For Work 9/19: 7 Game Takeaways, Including Why Browns Fans Can't Be Too Upset With Refs

[BMORE = BEASTING]

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

[stixfix69]

The call was probably all set u from the personal foul call on Coleman on J.Smith, refs probably thought the Browns WR's were justs talking to much smack, and over-reacted to Pryors ball toss, yes i think we can all agree the call was weak, but they got a TD when the foot was clearly on the white line. Things seem to even themselves out in games....Also there was no guarantee they would have scored, not like they took a TD away.....And Hue being a solid coach is probably more concerned that his team couldn't play 4 quarters of ball, and not just 1 good one....So is it next Sunday yet???....:)

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Secondary is gonna be tested this week. Jaguars have a decent WR corps that will challenge.

Offense badly needs to mask their runs with the passing game to create more opportunities and keep defense's honest. If teams are going to stack the box then Flacco needs to be ready to shred them until they back off. Love to see Flacco wanting to be more aggressive in the passing game, they definetly have the players to do it.

Let's hope everyone comes ready to go for the first quarter for the full four quarters. Get on the board early and take the crowd out of the game.

[OUravensfan]

Lot of ppl on Trestman, but if Moore catches the TD and Pitta doesn't illegal shift, then we're looking at 35 points

[balfan23]

On the taunting call ... I'm really not so sure if it was a bad call. It may just be that it is just a terrible, terrible rule. Nothing the Browns player did physically would have indicated taunting ... is there a part of the taunting rule that includes verbal exchanges between the players? One thing is for sure - the ref who threw the flag looked like he enjoyed doing his job ... flipping the flag straight up in the air about 30 feet with flair. So he seemed 100% sure about the call he was making. 

To me, the whole point of emphasis on something as silly as taunting and making it a game changing event (which can even get you tossed) is absurd. I'm getting on board with the rules that the league is imposing for the sake of player safety (as long as it isn't only applied to stars and not the rank and file), but the legislation of politeness? I just don't know what they think they are gaining by doing this. 

[BMORE = BEASTING]

There still is an unselfish Running Back still on the market, that has integrity and owns up to his wrongdoings. He is able to block, catch and run. He is also very affordable! Would be a great addition to the team!!!

Also this player is willing to donate his salary to charity.

[balfan23]

5 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Lot of ppl on Trestman, but if Moore catches the TD and Pitta doesn't illegal shift, then we're looking at 35 points

True ... we really need to play more mistake free. We're not good enough to overcome our own mistakes - at least not at this point (unless our opponent is the Browns). 

However, the majority of the concerns around the offenses effectiveness is related to the run game - which is a very valid concern at this point. Our pass game has great potential, but that potential won't be realized if we can't get more than 2 yards on a first down carry. 

[stixfix69]

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

[balfan23]

As Mink said in his tweet ... why do we have to get good camera angles shown to us AFTER the game is over? Cameras down the goal lines, the end lines and the sidelines should be standard at all games. 

What, is the NFL short on funds? 

[stixfix69]

On the taunting call ... I'm really not so sure if it was a bad call. It may just be that it is just a terrible, terrible rule. Nothing the Browns player did physically would have indicated taunting ... is there a part of the taunting rule that includes verbal exchanges between the players? One thing is for sure - the ref who threw the flag looked like he enjoyed doing his job ... flipping the flag straight up in the air about 30 feet with flair. So he seemed 100% sure about the call he was making. 

To me, the whole point of emphasis on something as silly as taunting and making it a game changing event (which can even get you tossed) is absurd. I'm getting on board with the rules that the league is imposing for the sake of player safety (as long as it isn't only applied to stars and not the rank and file), but the legislation of politeness? I just don't know what they think they are gaining by doing this. 

I have watched the game 3 times, and there was a play where Pitta made a catch had his back turned and threw the ball back, and hit a Browns player in the helmet area, and i am sure that wasn't his intention, but i think the rules need to really be defined, as i did not see Pryor do it in a taunting fashion....To be safe, players need to hand the ball to the ref, or just drop it on the ground....JMO....

[balfan23]

Just now, stixfix69 said:

I have watched the game 3 times, and there was a play where Pitta made a catch had his back turned and threw the ball back, and hit a Browns player in the helmet area, and i am sure that wasn't his intention, but i think the rules need to really be defined, as i did not see Pryor do it in a taunting fashion....To be safe, players need to hand the ball to the ref, or just drop it on the ground....JMO....

I know exactly the play you're talking about with Pitta. I was worried for a moment to see if they'd flag that. I think because he wasn't faced up to the player, they let it go, but for this kind of nuanced crap to be used to sway games is still to me absurd. I just hate the rule and I don't see any point to it. 

[BMORE = BEASTING]

  15 minutes ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

So you are good at staying at .500 per season or worse? Testman as a head-coach (2 seasons) and as an offensive coordinator (1 full season) has never performed better than .500 while in the NFL.

I believe that Rex is a defensive genius, and I have hope for years that he would return as a defensive coordinator only. But, I do not see Rex coming back to BMore.

[BMORE = BEASTING]

  12 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

  24 minutes ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

So you are good at staying at .500 per season or worse? Testman as a head-coach (2 seasons) and as an offensive coordinator (1 full season) has never performed better than .500 while in the NFL.

I believe that Rex is a defensive genius, and I have hope for years that he would return as a defensive coordinator only. But, I do not see Rex coming back to BMore.

I also forgot to state since his return from the CFL.

[balfan23]

3 minutes ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

So you are good at staying at .500 per season or worse? Testman as a head-coach (2 seasons) and as an offensive coordinator (1 full season) has never performed better than .500 while in the NFL.

I believe that Rex is a defensive genius, and I have hope for years that he would return as a defensive coordinator only. But, I do not see Rex coming back to BMore.

I cannot think of anything less relevant than Trestman's record as a head coach, in determining whether he's suited to be our OC.

[rmcjacket23]

  39 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

  51 minutes ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

So you are good at staying at .500 per season or worse? Testman as a head-coach (2 seasons) and as an offensive coordinator (1 full season) has never performed better than .500 while in the NFL.

I believe that Rex is a defensive genius, and I have hope for years that he would return as a defensive coordinator only. But, I do not see Rex coming back to BMore.

Its kind of hard to argue that Rex is a defensive genius when the defenses he's leading right now are not working at all.

Rob Ryan runs the exact same scheme as Rex does (obviously) and his defenses have been very, very bad for multiple years now.

If you ask a lot of people who watch football, they'd tell you that Rex's scheme really doesn't apply in the modern NFL anymore.

[rmcjacket23]

There still is an unselfish Running Back still on the market, that has integrity and owns up to his wrongdoings. He is able to block, catch and run. He is also very affordable! Would be a great addition to the team!!!

Also this player is willing to donate his salary to charity.

Based on what I saw the last time he played, blocking catching and running were all BIG problems for him.

He won't, nor should he, play for the Ravens again. I'd prefer Buck Allen in any single skill set over Rice at this point.

[DBsRAVENS]

  55 minutes ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

Harbaugh would never allow Rex in the building, let alone the sidelines. Too much swagger for his taste. He likes his coordinators with no creativity and non-aggressive.

[RRRRRavens]

On another note how terrible were those broadcasters. Whenever they mentioned a player or a unit they were always either the best in the league, top 3 or top 5.

Totally agree! They were the worst! Unfortunately we need a few more wins to gain the respect of networks to start covering us with their better broadcast teams.

[RRRRRavens]

Finally the Hester addition makes sense.

[RRRRRavens]

Here's a crazy thought. Wonder if the Browns would trade CB Haden to us for our backup QB Mallett now that their present QB McCowan is prettily badly beat up?

[J.O.14]

Lot of ppl on Trestman, but if Moore catches the TD and Pitta doesn't illegal shift, then we're looking at 35 points

True. I just want to see us run the ball a lot better, because if we don't, I don't see us making the playoffs.

[J.O.14]

Yeah Flacco needs to start faster, but what about the defense? Maybe they need to learn to get off the field on 3rd down a little bit. The whole team needs to learn to start faster and we wouldn't be in these situations.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

  51 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

  1 hour ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

So you are good at staying at .500 per season or worse? Testman as a head-coach (2 seasons) and as an offensive coordinator (1 full season) has never performed better than .500 while in the NFL.

I believe that Rex is a defensive genius, and I have hope for years that he would return as a defensive coordinator only. But, I do not see Rex coming back to BMore.

You're ignoring the majority of Trestman's NFL career.
In fact, prior to last year Trestman had never posting a LOSING record as a coordinator, and had a history of dramatically turning offenses around, putting up prolific numbers, and setting historic marks.

1989: OC of the Browns... went 9-6-1 and lost in the AFC Championship game. Bernie Kosar had a career year.

1995: San Fran.... Went 11-5, led the league in points scored and passing yards. Lost to Green Bay in the divisional round of the playoffs.

1996: San Fran... went 12-4 improving on the prior year's record, but unfortunately lost again to the Packers in the divisional round of the playoffs.

1998: Arizona Cardinals.... they go 9-7 posting their first winning season since 1984, first playoff appearance since 1982 and won a playoff game for the first time since 1947.

2002: Oakland Raiders.... team goes 11-5 leading the league in total offense and passing. Trestman coaches career journeyman Rich Gannon to an NFL MVP performance, and the offense leads the team to a Super Bowl appearance.


His HC experience is a completely moot point when looking at him as an OC because the roles are completely different. Maybe he doesnt excel at managing an entire team, keeping people disciplined, motivated, etc...

But the guy clearly knows offense. Take away last year, where he still guided an offense of 3rd stringers and PS members to one of the best statistical performances in franchise history, but the team posting a 5-11 (really 6-10) record; Trestman's W-L record as an OC was impeccable.

12-4, 11-5 (2x), 9-7 and 9-6-1. A Super Bowl appearance, an AFCCG loss, and 3 divisional round losses.... every team he coordinated made the playoffs and went beyond the 1st round (whether by winning the WC game, or progressing with a bye for winning their division as a top 2 seed).

And aside from team success, he also had his unit near top of the league in passing most years, lead the league in points twice, and lead Rich Gannon to his one and only MVP performance.


You don't know what you're talking about.

[20306cab]

Personally, I think Pryor knew exactly what he was doing, and it backfired on him. There were two refs right there he could have handed the ball to. And he could have tossed the ball ANYWHERE else, but HAD to drop it on Webb. He doesn't realize it yet, but Pryor has been pulled into the NEW BROWNS ZONE. Not unlike the Twilight Zone, he and everyone else who has had the misfortune (Kruger, Gordon, etc., etc., etc.,) to play for the NEW BROWNS are sucked in and DOOMED forever. Significantly due to the awful karma the NEW BROWNS fans ooze, (see Bottlegate, the Will Hill return, etc., etc., etc.) But MOSTLY due to the curse of Modell. Until those braindead fans and media heads in Cleveland learn to make it right by Art, they are DOOMED to NEW BROWNS ZONE forever. Hey, it's no secret why it only took 18 yeas for the NEW BROWNS to become the worst franchise in NFL history!

[ravenwildman]

So Browns fans say refs bad call cost them....that was a heck of a 25 point bad call, lol. C'mon Cleveland! I saw all the jabbing, pushing, and Haden blocking receivers out there, half wasn't called. In fact I can't remember a single PI the whole game....but, it's done, in the books, moving on! O-line needs to tighten up, not a disaster, but they should know better. GO RAVENS! 25 CB

[Purple Dawg 96]

  2 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

Lot of ppl on Trestman, but if Moore catches the TD and Pitta doesn't illegal shift, then we're looking at 35 points

True. I just want to see us run the ball a lot better, because if we don't, I don't see us making the playoffs.

Be patient other that one play the Browns ran up the middle the running was tough so just be patient please! Don't make no sense getting all these WRs and all you do is run up the middle! Joe got 300 yds or is that a bad thing?!

[Purple Dawg 96]

Thank you for the picture I sent it to all my family and friends in C Town! Game ball to the Brooks family!

[rmcjacket23]

Here's a crazy thought. Wonder if the Browns would trade CB Haden to us for our backup QB Mallett now that their present QB McCowan is prettily badly beat up?

Should've stopped at "crazy thought".

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

  3 hours ago, BMORE = BEASTING said:

Trestman was the worst hiring and would be the best firing. Pees being put on notice wouldn't hurt any either.

I'm good with Trestman, the WR's are running solid routes, and getting open, and the running game, we have to be patient with two rookies manning the left side....The mandate to run the ball at all cost is coming from Harbs, some teams just do a good job at stopping the run....Now Pees, never been a big fan of his, and if all goes well, the Bills will continue to lose, Rex gets fired, and we can get him back, or Spags in Indy....:)

Harbaugh would never allow Rex in the building, let alone the sidelines. Too much swagger for his taste. He likes his coordinators with no creativity and non-aggressive.

And with a defensive scheme that isn't several decades out-dated...

[Ravenshine]

In practice this week...solve the dilemmas with the run game. Can't go whole season with such a weak ground game, just can't. I think there's so much passion for all the WR corps, ...TE, and that's great. But the boring ole run game still matters. I don't necessarily get thrilled with watching us run the ball, but it gets us yards that make all the difference so that we don't solely rely on big yard plays. To rely on the deep passes is shaky when considering it's gotta happen consistently game after game. No, we need some insurance to back up the big plays. We need to run the ball effectively.