Maxx Williams

[ravensnj]

4 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Can't go on PUP, but very well could be headed to IR

Yes, my mistake. PUP is for players hurt in the preseason and unable to play.

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Yes, my mistake. PUP is for players hurt in the preseason and unable to play.

Just to clarify, PUP is for players who show up to training camp unable to play.  Once they practice even ONE time, PUP is no longer an option.

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Waller has a role. We seemed to feature him a lot to see what he can do in preseason so I think he has a role. He can be that deep threat TE we simply don't have. I'm not really sure one way or another that we'd bench Aiken for Waller, but I was also surprised we benched and cut JF so quickly so it seems we will make quick changes if we see a reason. I wouldn't count out the possibility.

It would be nice to have a TE who can go up the seam/get vertical. I haven't seen Waller at TE but my biggest question mark about him is his ability to chip block or better yet flat out block. He's going to have to be able to block OLB's and DE's who can rip even the best blocking TEs to shreds. He might only be there on passing downs but in that case you're giving the defense a better guess at what you're doing. 

I can imagine him in that gunner role but Chris Moore seems good at it too. There's just not much I can picture Waller doing here, I'm also wondering whether we would like to activate Willie Henry as well Will Davis. 

[GrimCoconut]

23 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

It would be nice to have a TE who can go up the seam/get vertical. I haven't seen Waller at TE but my biggest question mark about him is his ability to chip block or better yet flat out block. He's going to have to be able to block OLB's and DE's who can rip even the best blocking TEs to shreds. He might only be there on passing downs but in that case you're giving the defense a better guess at what you're doing. 

I can imagine him in that gunner role but Chris Moore seems good at it too. There's just not much I can picture Waller doing here, I'm also wondering whether we would like to activate Willie Henry as well Will Davis. 

Last year I recall him getting downfield and laying blocks so I think he can block. I'm not sure if he was blocking OLB or linebackers or even CB or safeties because blocking those guys is very different than heavier pass rushers but we'll see. 

[rmw10]

To IR he goes...

 

[berad]

Stinks, but it sounded like it needs surgery to fully heal.

Makes room for Waller, I guess

[redlobster]

and a position of perceived strength is now nothing but average. 

[berad]

Just now, redlobster said:

and a position of perceived strength is now nothing but average. 

I still think it's a strength. Pitta is having a really good year, Gilmore is a solid receiver and of course a monster blocking TE. Maxx had done great things on ST and blocking but hadn't produced (or really been targeted) as a receiver. It's a blow but that position still is deep.

We all saw Waller's solid pre-season and he can contribute on ST, too. I think he'll be activated.

[rmcjacket23]

In fulfillment of the prophecy...

[Rav'n Maniac]

13 minutes ago, berad said:

Stinks, but it sounded like it needs surgery to fully heal.

Makes room for Waller, I guess

Agreed. I just hope that if it is the surgery option, they get it done now and don't wait till the end of the season. I want to see him back ready for the camps.

[ravensnj]

15 minutes ago, berad said:

I still think it's a strength. Pitta is having a really good year, Gilmore is a solid receiver and of course a monster blocking TE. Maxx had done great things on ST and blocking but hadn't produced (or really been targeted) as a receiver. It's a blow but that position still is deep.

We all saw Waller's solid pre-season and he can contribute on ST, too. I think he'll be activated.

To continue.... Don't sleep on Daniel Brown, he can get down the field and cause some coverage problems with LB's. Not to mention he's got the hands!

Edited October 7, 2016 by ravensnj

[harfordravenfan]

Just now, Rav'n Maniac said:

Agreed. I just hope that if it is the surgery option, they get it done now and don't wait till the end of the season. I want to see him back ready for the camps.

Don't sound like there's any reason to wait on having the surgery

[berad]

1 minute ago, ravensnj said:

To continue.... Don't sleep on Daniel Brown, he can get down the field and cause some coverage problems with LB's. Not to mention he's got the hands!

True, he was activated for a reason. Either someone was trying to poach him off the PS and/or he has a spot on gameday.

[rmw10]

Actually glad Maxx is going to IR.  I'd rather they just fix the problem now than continue to wait and hope it gets better.  While I do think he had value to the team this year, he's still a guy we can afford to lose for now.  Let him get healthy and come back strong for next year.

[Ravens4Real]

So our two pick of Perrimen and Williams from two years ago are contributing a boat load......

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, redlobster said:

and a position of perceived strength is now nothing but average. 

Wouldn't say that. Since Crockett is a solid reciever and a very good blocker, Waller has the talent to be a good move TE, and we have Boyle coming back in a few weeks. Still deep. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Actually glad Maxx is going to IR.  I'd rather they just fix the problem now than continue to wait and hope it gets better.  While I do think he had value to the team this year, he's still a guy we can afford to lose for now.  Let him get healthy and come back strong for next year.

Agreed. I think we breaks out next year because hopefully we FINALLY USE HIM. 

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, berad said:

I still think it's a strength. Pitta is having a really good year, Gilmore is a solid receiver and of course a monster blocking TE. Maxx had done great things on ST and blocking but hadn't produced (or really been targeted) as a receiver. It's a blow but that position still is deep.

We all saw Waller's solid pre-season and he can contribute on ST, too. I think he'll be activated.

I wouldn't say pitta is having a really good year unless you put it in context that most of us thought he should retire.  200 yards and 0tds through 4 games... I would say it's just a average tight end production 

[berad]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I wouldn't say pitta is having a really good year unless you put it in context that most of us thought he should retire.  200 yards and 0tds through 4 games... I would say it's just a average tight end production 

He's top 10 in yards and top 5 in receptions. Project those 21 receptions and 200 yards out to a 16-game season, he's 9th in yards and 3rd in catches compared to 2015's TEs.

That's something we need and lucky Pitta is producing that way after Watson went down.

[redlobster]

53 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Wouldn't say that. Since Crockett is a solid reciever and a very good blocker, Waller has the talent to be a good move TE, and we have Boyle coming back in a few weeks. Still deep. 

Waller has shown nothing as a TE to date, just some pre-season stuff. Boyle is an unknown because who knows when he takes PED's again.

[Cillmatic]

Waller is the second best non-kicking ST'er on the team. He was REALLY good before his suspension. This is a boost. Plus a fast 6'6 tight end with blocking capabilities can make some good mismatches.

Edited October 7, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Purple Punishment]

2 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

So our two pick of Perrimen and Williams from two years ago are contributing a boat load......

Go back under that bridge....troll

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, redlobster said:

Waller has shown nothing as a TE to date, just some pre-season stuff. Boyle is an unknown because who knows when he takes PED's again.

 

True. We just have to see how it pans out with Waller. One thing for sure he does add more speed to the tight position and he's 6'6" which could be beneficial in any situation especially near the redzone.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Purple Punishment said:

Go back under that bridge....troll

To be fair,  he's technically right... 

[OUravensfan]

23 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has maybe two good seasons in his entire career.  He is actually slightly below average.  He is a game manager, that needs a lot of work on his mid range throws.  His average passes is 6.3 that means he is a glorified check down guy with an occasional deep ball (that he throws pretty well).

If we are honest with ourselves, he cant make players great, because he is not good enough to do it. 

Explain Torrey Smith.  And Marlon Brown having a 7TD season. And Mike Wallace and Steve Smith resurrecting their careers here. Kamar Aiken. 

[Dfence4champs2052]

The 2015 draft class has shaped up to be awful....injuries, inconsistentcy........just tough breaks!!!!! Get well, Maxx.

[Maryland]

10 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

So our two pick of Perrimen and Williams from two years ago are contributing a boat load......

It's funny: at the time of the draft, trading-up for Maxx was viewed as a masterstroke by our FO, since it sniped the Steelers, who desperately wanted Maxx as a successor for Heath Miller. It's not a total failure that we did this, though, since it then caused the Steelers to draft undersized slot-corner Senquez Golson, who is shaping up to be a bust for them. So even if Maxx ends up a disappointment, at least the trade-up caused the Steelers to draft a bust lol.