The annual Fire Dean Pees thread; 2016 edition

[JoeyFlex5]

My gut tells me that the secondary was totally at fault for that drive, but I have to wonder... How did we absolutely dominate and then suddenly... Like a switch flipped. Did Shareece wright just suddenly get worse to the point that he gives up a whole drive almost on his own?

[Willbacker]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

My gut tells me that the secondary was totally at fault for that drive, but I have to wonder... How did we absolutely dominate and then suddenly... Like a switch flipped. Did Shareece wright just suddenly get worse to the point that he gives up a whole drive almost on his own?

Wonder why Will Davis is sitting? I know Id like to see them keep Young in the slot.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

My gut tells me that the secondary was totally at fault for that drive, but I have to wonder... How did we absolutely dominate and then suddenly... Like a switch flipped. Did Shareece wright just suddenly get worse to the point that he gives up a whole drive almost on his own?

 

Kendrick Lewis was out of position big time, something Webb just wouldn't do since he has a high football IQ. Dean Pees was not at fault for this game. 

 

I'm mad that we couldn't pressure Carr though. But he's a hard guy to pressure anyway. I have a bone to pick with Trestman, but he seemed to get a groove going in the second half. 

[rmcjacket23]

So we can officially end this thread now right? I mean nobody really think Pees or the defense is the problem anymore right? Kind of hard to make that sell at this point.

[K-Dog]

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So we can officially end this thread now right? I mean nobody really think Pees or the defense is the problem anymore right? Kind of hard to make that sell at this point.

Sadly there will always be haters. 

[flynismo]

11 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So we can officially end this thread now right? I mean nobody really think Pees or the defense is the problem anymore right? Kind of hard to make that sell at this point.

Lol, right. After eight years, there are morons out there who still call Flacco an overpaid scrub. You really think those same people aren't going to whine about Pees after every first down the defense gives up?

[52liveforever]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

My gut tells me that the secondary was totally at fault for that drive, but I have to wonder... How did we absolutely dominate and then suddenly... Like a switch flipped. Did Shareece wright just suddenly get worse to the point that he gives up a whole drive almost on his own?

We didn't rush more than four guys that drive. Didn't even try to show more than four guys rushing. Carr felt no threat what so ever and played comfortably. That was defensive play calling. Now pees deserves credit for calling a heck of a game and the defense by no measure lost this game. They forced so many 3 and outs and the offense didn't do anything with it. Pees called one bad drive but the offense failed miserably multiple drives.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

My gut tells me that the secondary was totally at fault for that drive, but I have to wonder... How did we absolutely dominate and then suddenly... Like a switch flipped. Did Shareece wright just suddenly get worse to the point that he gives up a whole drive almost on his own?

He was giving up tds all game.  3 on him.  There's no way he should have allowed himself to be beat for that last one.

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

He was giving up tds all game.  3 on him.  There's no way he should have allowed himself to be beat for that last one.

I want to defend him...but he has given me absolutely nothing to work with. Will you buy it if I say he was working with a short field far too often, through no fault of his own?

Edited October 3, 2016 by flynismo

[redrum52]

10 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I want to defend him...but he has given me absolutely nothing to work with. Will you buy it if I say he was working with a short field far too often, through no fault of his own?

Him and Moore better lay low the next few days.  This is probably a week they wish there was a real away game.  Can't excuse his play today and wouldn't surprise me if they're working a plan to bring someone else in or demote him.  Qbs are looking at him like free lunch.  And no, nothing you say will convince me.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Kendrick Lewis was out of big time, something Webb just wouldn't do since he has a high football IQ. Dean Pees was not at fault for this game. 

 

I'm mad that we couldn't pressure Carr though. But he's a hard guy to pressure anyway. I have a bone to pick with Trestman, but he seemed to get a groove going in the second half. 

ill second that, webb isnt amazing at safety but he has been in position more often than not and isnt making bonehead plays, its no coincidence that as soon as webb got hurt they went right after lewis. 

i just find it so weird that all of a sudden, when its time to protect a lead, they get down the field in the blink of an eye, i mean jesus i have never seen such a quick scoring drive.

[52liveforever]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

ill second that, webb isnt amazing at safety but he has been in position more often than not and isnt making bonehead plays, its no coincidence that as soon as webb got hurt they went right after lewis. 

i just find it so weird that all of a sudden, when its time to protect a lead, they get down the field in the blink of an eye, i mean jesus i have never seen such a quick scoring drive.

The front seven weren't in Carrs face intimidating him like the rest of the game. When we made it look like we were going to come after him he was in a hurry to get rid of it, and we did all game. That drive though we didn't show him anything. We at the most sent four and only showed four. I think Pees made the mistake here, but he by no means lost the game. With the way the defense played and the way pees called this game, it never should have come down to that drive.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

Him and Moore better lay low the next few days.  This is probably a week they wish there was a real away game.  Can't excuse his play today and wouldn't surprise me if they're working a plan to bring someone else in or demote him.  Qbs are looking at him like free lunch.  And no, nothing you say will convince me.

Fair enough, I didn't buy it myself. lol.

But you know, I'm okay with Wright sucking. I mean, we never really had expectations, did we?

Moore, I am not okay with. I'm a patient dude. I mean I still had hope for Marlon Brown when we released him, that's how patient I am. But somehow, Moore has managed to wear my patience out after four games. I was extremely skeptical when we took him, but I decided to tell myself Ozzie knows better than I do, and all the fans here like the kid, so maybe I'm wrong about him. Welp....everything I thought was wrong about taking him has so far come to pass. sigh

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Fair enough, I didn't buy it myself. lol.

But you know, I'm okay with Wright sucking. I mean, we never really had expectations, did we?

Moore, I am not okay with. I'm a patient dude. I mean I still had hope for Marlon Brown when we released him, that's how patient I am. But somehow, Moore has managed to wear my patience out after four games. I was extremely skeptical when we took him, but I decided to tell myself Ozzie knows better than I do, and all the fans here like the kid, so maybe I'm wrong about him. Welp....everything I thought was wrong about taking him has so far come to pass. sigh

To be fair to Moore, that slightly overthrown ball in the endzone targeting Moore was nearly intercepted and at least Moore was physical with the DB and broke it up so they couldn't intercept it. He is also pretty good on ST, too. He's a lot better from what I have seen than Aiken recently. I really like Moore as a gunner. He seems to be quick down the field and he can tackle. 

As for the actual topic of Dean Pees, he's calling a great defense and the guys are usually executing. We'll see if it continues as it's still early. Based on the score, you'd think Carr killed us, but really it was the offense and ST that really flipped the script here today. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[52liveforever]

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

To be fair to Moore, that slightly overthrown ball in the endzone targeting Moore was nearly intercepted and at least Moore was physical with the DB and broke it up so they couldn't intercept it. He is also pretty good on ST, too. He's a lot better from what I have seen than Aiken recently. I really like Moore as a gunner. He seems to be quick down the field and he can tackle. 

As for the actual topic of Dean Pees, he's calling a great defense and the guys are usually executing. We'll see if it continues as it's still early. Based on the score, you'd think Carr killed us, but really it was the offense and ST that really flipped the script here today. 

As someone who was very critical of Pees last year I honestly do not understand how anyone can blame him for today's loss. Pees is the only reason the game was close. We caused so many 3 and outs and the offense did nothing with them. yeah oaklands last drive he didn't do a great job, but the way the defense played they never should have been in that position.

[flynismo]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

To be fair to Moore, that slightly overthrown ball in the endzone targeting Moore was nearly intercepted and at least Moore was physical with the DB and broke it up so they couldn't intercept it.

Ah yes, there is that play, which I forgot all about. I like him on ST as well, and perhaps he just is not comfortable in the NFL just yet. It's maddening, because he has the physical tools for him to be the guy we need at WR. If he puts together a few strong showings after the bye, then I'll be convinced it is simply a case of the nerves right now.

[Inqui]

It's a pretty misleading stat (not taking into account garbage time tactics and plays, or short fields from bad ST plays) but we're currently the #1 overall defence, giving up just 256 yards per game. Woo!

[PurpleCity5]

40 minutes ago, Inqui said:

It's a pretty misleading stat (not taking into account garbage time tactics and plays, or short fields from bad ST plays) but we're currently the #1 overall defence, giving up just 256 yards per game. Woo!

That was as good of an offense we're ever going to play. 4 TD stat is misleading, especially when you consider that awful decision to not decline the penalty. 

Edited October 4, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/2/2016 at 8:53 PM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Kendrick Lewis was out of position big time, something Webb just wouldn't do since he has a high football IQ. Dean Pees was not at fault for this game. 

Unfortunately, given that it was Cover 4, Wright has to haul butt back to the goal line and know to not get beat over the top. I don't put that on Lewis because he was trying to cover Wright's zone.

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/2/2016 at 10:01 PM, redrum52 said:

He was giving up tds all game.  3 on him.  There's no way he should have allowed himself to be beat for that last one.

Just two

[BmoreBird22]

44 minutes ago, Inqui said:

It's a pretty misleading stat (not taking into account garbage time tactics and plays, or short fields from bad ST plays) but we're currently the #1 overall defence, giving up just 256 yards per game. Woo!

Through four games, that stat doesn't surprise me one bit.

[redrum52]

58 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just two

My bad.  Thanks.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

My bad.  Thanks.

Still not good, but not that bad

[redrum52]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Still not good, but not that bad

Crabtree is good, but for some reason I thought he'd matchup well with him.  If he can't hang with him, I don't know who I have faith with him covering.  I'm watching film and it's seems teams are really only looking his way.

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, redrum52 said:

Crabtree is good, but for some reason I thought he'd matchup well with him.  If he can't hang with him, I don't know who I have faith with him covering.  I'm watching film and it's seems teams are really only looking his way.

That's what happens when you line up across from Jimmy. Not to mention he plays LCB for whatever reason.

[KBoum]

I just can't believe he got beat on the fake out move by crabtree. I mean just don't get beat deep

[OUravensfan]

I was worried when Lewis came in for Weddle and was proven correct 

[jimmypowder]

On 10/2/2016 at 9:21 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

So we can officially end this thread now right? I mean nobody really think Pees or the defense is the problem anymore right? Kind of hard to make that sell at this point.

4th quarter D has failed how many times since last year with a lead ? Sure the offense is a problem but so is 4th quarter D. 

[rmcjacket23]

28 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

4th quarter D has failed how many times since last year with a lead ? Sure the offense is a problem but so is 4th quarter D. 

Sounds like a textbook example of a personnel and execution problem to me.

I mean its not like there's a scheme design to let Crabtree run by a zone defense for a TD, yet that's exactly what the players let happen. No coach can coach his way out of that. There's no scheme or play call that says "hey Shareece Wright, bite on the double move" and "hey Kendrick Lewis, take the worst angle possible to the pylon".

Remember, it was Pees D that came up with multiple 4th quarter stops against Buffalo, multiple 4th quarter stops against Cleveland, and an absurdly dominant 4th quarter against Jacksonville.

And using the same fan logic that makes these threads happen, he's responsible for 100% of those successes. Had nothing to do with player execution... its all him.

Selective criticism when it fits the narrative you're trying to achieve is a convenient theory, but its easily shattered when you put it up against logic. 

[arnie_uk]

Stole from RSR.

1st in overall defense

Last in red zone defense 

Edited October 4, 2016 by arnie_uk