The annual Fire Dean Pees thread; 2016 edition

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

how many games this season has the offense put up 30 points without help by any other unit?

 

or just the team in general... including other units lol... the number is the same

[K-Dog]

I am just gonna put this right here.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Defensive-Coordinator-Dean-Pees-Has-A-Lot-To-Do-With-No-1-Ranking/f80f08b9-6f2b-4628-95d9-012cfda1d426

 

Give it a good look-see when you get around to it.

[Inqui]

13 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

No, it serves as a good reminder that people should try to temper their reactions.

Good luck with that.  

[JoeyFlex5]

as of now im just gonna retract my statements. i think frazier had a lot to do with our success, but i wont take away from pees at all. i believe pees' style of defense requires a certain skillset from your corners and a certain iq from your secondary as a whole, when the pieces are there it is something special, and i think frazier and weddle really helped make pees' vision of this defense come to fruition. 

pees has been brilliant this year, but still has had his moments where you feel like the effective gameplan is scrapped almost for the sake of tradition, but our defense has never been the reason for a loss. for the first time since 2011 i can honestly say if we need to protect a single digit lead from one last drive that i feel extremely confident. ive always known that pees has had it rough because of injuries and lack of talent, but he has always had a tendency to scrap his gameplan late in the game, and finally it works due to his talent, and its been fun to watch. 

thanks pees, your defense has carried us long enough to let the offense come to life finally. way to hang in there

[RaineV1]

35 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

as of now im just gonna retract my statements. i think frazier had a lot to do with our success, but i wont take away from pees at all. i believe pees' style of defense requires a certain skillset from your corners and a certain iq from your secondary as a whole, when the pieces are there it is something special, and i think frazier and weddle really helped make pees' vision of this defense come to fruition. 

pees has been brilliant this year, but still has had his moments where you feel like the effective gameplan is scrapped almost for the sake of tradition, but our defense has never been the reason for a loss. for the first time since 2011 i can honestly say if we need to protect a single digit lead from one last drive that i feel extremely confident. ive always known that pees has had it rough because of injuries and lack of talent, but he has always had a tendency to scrap his gameplan late in the game, and finally it works due to his talent, and its been fun to watch. 

thanks pees, your defense has carried us long enough to let the offense come to life finally. way to hang in there

I can agree with this. He needs a pretty precise personal package to run it, but when you have those guys it can work. It probably would have done very well back when we had Reed and a young Sizzle to get pressure.

As a side note, given his age, there's a decent chance this will be his final season anyways. Or second to last season. The dude is 67, and you don't see many 70 year old coaches. Especially not for a team that's known for nail biting, heart attach inducing finishes. It wouldn't shock me if we brought in Frazier in part because Pees is nearing retirement.

[Tank 92]

4 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I can agree with this. He needs a pretty precise personal package to run it, but when you have those guys it can work. It probably would have done very well back when we had Reed and a young Sizzle to get pressure.

As a side note, given his age, there's a decent chance this will be his final season anyways. Or second to last season. The dude is 67, and you don't see many 70 year old coaches. Especially not for a team that's known for nail biting, heart attach inducing finishes. It wouldn't shock me if we brought in Frazier in part because Pees is nearing retirement.

Dick Lebeau is 79.  Just sayin'.

[kjbmore]

Full strength, everybody's settled in and knows their role - no niggles, maybe Doom is a little under done.

Interested to see what Pees dials up today

[Steve0x]

2 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Full strength, everybody's settled in and knows their role - no niggles, maybe Doom is a little under done.

Interested to see what Pees dials up today

Yes,,But if they lose tonight..Should Biscotti said thats the last straw,,Look what the Rams owner did to Jeff Fisher today. He had enough.  

[rossihunter2]

Just now, Steve0x said:

Yes,,But if they lose tonight..Should Biscotti said thats the last straw,,Look what the Rams owner did to Jeff Fisher today. He had enough.  

of course not - we have the no1 ranked defense in most categories, have stifled some of the best offensive weapons in the league - but we'd be going up against a hof qb and a hof coach with some weapons (not all of them but still some)

that would bet the world's biggest overreaction... i know lets get rid of a dc with a great defense on a team with a winning record and only one game of offensive explosion all year because its exactly the same situation as firing the almost losingest coach in nfl history

[DomMcRaven]

12 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Yes,,But if they lose tonight..Should Biscotti said thats the last straw,,Look what the Rams owner did to Jeff Fisher today. He had enough.  

9 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

of course not - we have the no1 ranked defense in most categories, have stifled some of the best offensive weapons in the league - but we'd be going up against a hof qb and a hof coach with some weapons (not all of them but still some)

that would bet the world's biggest overreaction... i know lets get rid of a dc with a great defense on a team with a winning record and only one game of offensive explosion all year because its exactly the same situation as firing the almost losingest coach in nfl history

At least Pees is using his weapons at his disposal, something Trestman knew nothing about.

 

[Steve0x]

He's Got to go!!!!

[RaineV1]

It just feels like the Ravens' defense isn't disciplined, creative, or clutch. When they get chances to make the big stops in the 4th quarter they seem to fail more often than succeed. They are are good, but not the elite defense the stats make them out to be. I doubt they'll ever be that great defense under Pees. He's not the problem, but he's not the answer either.

[Static]

We still gonna pretend this a good defense?

[Tru11]

with out this defense and with this offense we have a top 5 pick.

that is being generous.

 

[arnie_uk]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

with out this defense and with this offense we have a top 5 pick.

that is being generous.

 

Probably not to far away, but it doesn't mean we can't criticise them for last night. They were horrible. 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

Probably not to far away, but it doesn't mean we can't criticise them for last night. They were horrible. 

where did i say you cant do that?

[JoeyFlex5]

Again. Without Jimmy getting hurt were probably singing a different tune about the D. And if Elam doesn't fall in ccoverage late in the game for the 2nd time in 3 weeks then we may have had a chance.

All I know is hester caused a safety and multiple drives starting inside the 10. The offense had a pitiful first half. And then when they got the chance to come back they let the play clock run down to 5 or less on EVERY SNAP when we should be in the 2 minute drill. 

[ravensdfan]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Again. Without Jimmy getting hurt were probably singing a different tune about the D. And if Elam doesn't fall in ccoverage late in the game for the 2nd time in 3 weeks then we may have had a chance.

All I know is hester caused a safety and multiple drives starting inside the 10. The offense had a pitiful first half. And then when they got the chance to come back they let the play clock run down to 5 or less on EVERY SNAP when we should be in the 2 minute drill. 

After the safety, with Jimmy playing, the Pats were having their way. 300 yds their way actually.

[K-Dog]

Lets not pretend that the Patriots offense isn't pretty dang awesome now.

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, Static said:

We still gonna pretend this a good defense?

Since when is 13 weeks pretending? 

[DomMcRaven]

13 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Lets not pretend that the Patriots offense isn't pretty dang awesome now.

I know right. I believe Brady has had pretty good stats against #1 defenses in the past. 

[OUravensfan]

Why are the Patriots so much better than everyone else, is it really coaching?

[redrum52]

27 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Why are the Patriots so much better than everyone else, is it really coaching?

Excellent coaching and players who fit what the coaches need them to do.  He is the best coach in the league and it's not even close.  Add in one of the greatest qbs of all time it's easy to understand their success.

 

Harbaugh's coaching might have cost this team two games by the way.

 

Would also like to point out that the defense has had maybe 2-3 bad games(or halves), but people are always ready to pin the blame on them after a loss.  The offense has put together ONE whole game and people were ready to believe they had arrived, yet the defense is still being questioned here.  They lack a great pass rusher which is what's setting them back from being top tier, but come on...  Everyone can talk about the first half yards but all in all they gave up 14 points with the offense doing NOTHING.  But I guess the guys on that side are really earning their keep, right?

 

Edited December 13, 2016 by redrum52

[Tru11]

i take it some on you are still unwilling to acknowledge that tom brady will be going down as 1 of the greatest if not the greatest QB to ever play the game.

this is the best the QB the defense has seen all season and will be the best QB they will see all season unless they see each other again the play offs.

i feel little shame in getting beat by a guy who is in the conversation of being the MVP at age 39 and is a sure fire first ballot HOF.

it could have gotten much worse if the pats receivers did not drop so many passes and their special teams did not fumble the ball away.
 

i mean even weddle fell for a fake even though he knew it was going to be a fake.

its hilarious how people brag when the offense beats up on a scrappy secondary  then gets outraged when the defense gets torched by 1 of the greatest QBs of all times.....

 

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

Well the pressure is off to maintain that celebrated #1 ranking since we went from #1 to #4 in ypg and #2 to #4 in points. It's amazing to me that  kind of change can take place in week 14 but, I guess when you give up almost 500 yds and 30 points in one game, it's justified. We are what we are.

[rossihunter2]

16 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

its hilarious how people brag when the offense beats up on a scrappy secondary  then gets outraged when the defense gets torched by 1 of the greatest QBs of all times.....

and started well against him until our no1 corner went out - now im not pinning all of this on the loss of jimmy but its obviously a factor and certainly doesnt help against the best qb of all time

[allblackraven]

16 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Yes,,But if they lose tonight..Should Biscotti said thats the last straw,,Look what the Rams owner did to Jeff Fisher today. He had enough.  

What are you talking about? He had enough after 5 miserable seasons with about hundred 1st round draft picks? 

Can you think before you post something or is that too much to ask?

[hereweare]

Yea too many mistakes were made, but considering Brady had 13 offensive drives, Jimmy was out early in this game, and the offense put the defensive back on the field with short/no rest many times..... the defense played fairly well.
First half alone the defense came on the field in less than 3 minutes four times... (1 play- safety, 1min58s - 6 plays, 45sec - INT, 2min15 sec- 7plays & TO called)

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

Why are the Patriots so much better than everyone else, is it really coaching?

Oh my gawd I wish I knew.

If one could remove their "blinders of hate" for the team, they are simply amazing . 

I don't know how many time I  said " that was an amazing catch" or "that was a fantastic pass" or "that was an impressive play call"

We all hate them. I  get that, but they are a really really really good football team.

[PurpleCity5]

For people who want to get mad at the fact we lost to the Patriots in Gillette and had our D ripped to shreds...two things...

1.) Did you see what Aaron Rodgers did to Seattle's defense? Things like this can happen. There's nothing wrong with losing to an All-Time great QB on the road.  

2.) New England is just really good. Best way to help your defense out is to keep your offense on the field longer, we did not do that.