The Good, Bad and Awful week 2 vs Browns.

[Purple_City39]

The Good: Everything after the first quarter.  Michael Pierce.  Pitta.  Wallace.  Weddle.  Mosely.  And Brown's WR Coleman

The Bad: That taunting penalty.  The rookie that threw a jab at Jimmy.  Yanda with another bad penalty.

The Ugly: The 1st quarter.  The inability to cover Coleman.  The interior o-line

[RavensFan34950]

Terrence West needs to be the starter ASAP. Sorry but Forsett is looking pretty old out there. Dude can't break arm tackles if his life depended on it. West generates positive yards atleast. Also I don't know what to make of this win. Did we play clutch? Or did we win a game that shouldn't have been close? I'm so confused right now lol.

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, Daft Classic said:

Good: Our WR Core. We are absolutely loaded with quality receiving options. SSS, Wallace, Moore, Perriman, Pitta, Gilmore, etc.

Good: #InTuckerWeTrust

Good: D-Line absolutely destroyed McCown all day. They did their job, but coverage were terrible

 

Bad: O-Line, Flacco was getting hit all day. Can not have that especially with Brownies going for his knees

Bad: RB's, Wow they were bad. West put together some solid runs near the end, but Forsett is REALLY struggling right now. Oh where art thou KD?

 

Awful: Secondary: Torched all day by some sub tier receivers. If Coleman, Pryor, and Hawkins can burn us, what will AJ Green and Antonio Brown do?

 

coleman and pryor are talented dudes. but yeh

[Purple_City39]

9 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

has it ever occured to anyone that jimmy smith just plays like that and it isnt what pees is actually calling?

I've said this so many times on so many different forms of social media that I'm just tired.  It baffles me that people still think the DC tells them how far to line up from the WR/LoS

[codizzle]

Mike Wallace on flacco.. 

"he's just too cool.. we were down 20-0 and he's like whatever it's cool."

[JO_75]

The Great - Justin Tucker, you the real MVP.

The Good - Held the Browns to 0 points in quarters 2-4.

The Good 2: Once again, for a second week in a row we win a game that last year we would have lost.

The Bad - Play calling by Pees, even though we kept them scoreless we were still giving up too many big plays. Our secondary needs a re-tooling. Jimmy just doesn't seem to be the same since his foot injury and Webb continues to decline. Trestman.... we have Marty Mornhinweg as our QB coach, he has previous OC experience with really good offenses(look at his bio on the coaches page and see the great offenses he orchestrated). Why not give him a chance and let Trestman go. Bills fired Greg Roman so why can't we fire Trestman?

The Really Bad - Only the Browns can go up 20-2 and still find a way to lose. Seems the curse hasn't been lifted off the Browns but it doesn't hurt the Cavs and Indians.

Edited September 18, 2016 by JO_75

[Deflated Football]

It just feels sooooo amazingly good to come out the winner in these close games as opposed to last season. 

Edited September 19, 2016 by Deflated Football

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

has it ever occured to anyone that jimmy smith just plays like that and it isnt what pees is actually calling?

Depends on what plays you're referring to.

[Cville-Raven]

Offense: We need to get Perriman and Moore more involved in the offense. Dennis pitta is killing it right now. Run game needs to improve drastically. Some of that is on Trestman and the other on the O-line. Gilmore needs to hit the jugs machine. 

Defense: Front 7 needs to get better against the run. 100+ yards to Isaiah Crowell is unacceptable. Secondary was ok but not great by any stretch. Jernigan and Pierce are killing it. 

 

Also got to give a shout out to the special teams. Only unit who were good all game and made plays that had a massive impact on this game. To block two kicks is incredible. Hester looks good returning and I definitely think he will get a TD at some point this season. Tucker is just the best in the game.

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, Doomville said:

i think that was because jimmy was covering coleman, who had a couple of deep catches, and that's the last thing we wanted to give up. BUT, jimmy should have press covered with a safety on top to help. Every time i just laugh when i see 10 yards back on anything and short. It's ridiculous and will never change. If jimmy had made that tackle to keep coleman inbounds, i would have praised him but he didn't make that tackle and put the browns in a position to win.

The Coleman tackle (or lack thereof) in the late fourth was Wright, not Jimmy

[Ravenslifer]

The good - we came back from a huge hole to win - last year if we were down by 3 at the half it was pretty much over.

The bad - the way we've been starting games.  Last week the defense was outstanding while the offense needed to wake up.  This week both were dead asleep in the first quarter plus some.  This kind of comeback won't happen against better teams.  Again, with the offense especially I'm chalking it up to the fact that half the starters were either on IR or not on the team last year, but by week 5 or 6 I'm hoping things are ironed out.

[pep_meister]

with good coaching and a franchise QB the browns are about to turn the corner...

 

Josh Gordon+Coleman+Pryor. pretty nice corp...

[rmw10]

Good call above on the return game.  Hester still has it.  The KO return was obviously huge, but you can't overlook those punt returns either.  Although he may have only gotten a few yards on some of them, he typically always made the first man miss and gained something out of nothing.  It's been a long time since we've had that.

[OldToby]

Had we lost this game pees would have probably been fired. That first quarter was ridiculous. 

[Deflated Football]

18 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

has it ever occured to anyone that jimmy smith just plays like that and it isnt what pees is actually calling?

That particular play was Shareece playing too far off

[Doomville]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

The Coleman tackle (or lack thereof) in the late fourth was Wright, not Jimmy

ok, then it was wright's fault which proves to us that we need better CBs

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Doomville said:

ok, then it was wright's fault which proves to us that we need better CBs

Wright had an awful game today. It was probably his worse as a Raven, which says something when you consider the 49ers game.

[Doomville]

1 minute ago, Ravenslifer said:

The good - we came back from a huge hole to win - last year if we were down by 3 at the half it was pretty much over.

The bad - the way we've been starting games.  Last week the defense was outstanding while the offense needed to wake up.  This week both were dead asleep in the first quarter plus some.  This kind of comeback won't happen against better teams.  Again, with the offense especially I'm chalking it up to the fact that half the starters were either on IR or not on the team last year, but by week 5 or 6 I'm hoping things are ironed out.

actually, last week both offense and defense started out great. Then, offense stalled in the second half and defense was the same, albeit it could be due to bills' offense

[balfan23]

4 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

The Good 2: Once again, for a second week in a row we win a game that last year we would have lost.

That is a point that should not be lost on the fan base. We're not going to shoot up the power rankings (as if they matter), but we're getting wins, when last year, we were taking losses. 

[GrimCoconut]

23 minutes ago, MiamiRaven55 said:

Good Week 1: wright run defense

Bad Week 2:  wright pass defense 

I must disagree because Wright and Webb were both responsible for that long Crowell TD run

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I must disagree because Wright and Webb were both responsible for that long Crowell TD run

He's saying Wright was good in run defense in week one. His tackling just got vastly worst from week one to two.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Good call above on the return game.  Hester still has it.  The KO return was obviously huge, but you can't overlook those punt returns either.  Although he may have only gotten a few yards on some of them, he typically always made the first man miss and gained something out of nothing.  It's been a long time since we've had that.

Yes this was something I noticed as well. It was great to see. 

[Ravensfan23]

The Good: The way the team, especially the defense responded after the 1st quarter. Pierce and Jernigan is just wow with interior pressure. Once Suggs and Doom get healthy this pass rush could be huge. 

Flacco falls in the good category not necessarily from a numbers stand point but from his progression from the injury. He looked much better in the pocket in terms of stepping into his throws, which made his accuracy and zip on the ball much better. His decision making at times was poor and while I wouldn't suggest making a career out of testing the likes of Joe Haden, I love that he had confidence in his WRs to win that matchup. Wallace will be huge for this offense and both Pitta and SSS seem to be getting their legs underneath them. That could be scary. Perriman is just gonna get more and more involved as well. Oline has to get better in the run game, but they ran well when needed at the end of the game again.

Also Koch had a couple huge punts to flip field position and big up to T. Young as well. Hester played well as a RS and the FG block team was huge. 

The Bad: First i'll start with Zuttah. That guy just doesn't seem to be playing well from the naked eye. I'll go back and watch the game again to see his grade but i don't expect it to be good. Again he snapped the ball before Flacco and the rest of the offense was ready and it costed a potential TD because Moore got the ball down to the 1 yard line. He also whiffed on a few blocks as well. The other bad was Forsett. He seems slow and indecisive right now. Of course the entire running game was bad, but West just has much more burst and seems to see the crease quicker. Won't get back on the road of Forsett possibly being cut at some point this season, but right now I don't like what I see from him. 

Also the bad is Aiken and Williams seemingly reduced offensive roles. It's a byproduct of other guys playing so well in there role, but Perriman, Pitta, SSS, Wallace and Moore seem to be the frontrunners for snaps and targets right now. 

The Ugly: Obviously the first quarter. This team looked just like the 5-11 team last year. Poor execution, dropped passes, poor tackling, poor decisions, bad blocking, Joe getting hit, big plays given up and just a sluggish team. However they turned it around the final 3 quarters and won a game they would have certainly lost last year. Also ugly was the refs in this game. Poor calls on both teams. 

The Classy: The Browns organization taking the time to honor the life of CB even on the day they were honor Jim Brown on their even. They didn't have to do that but i'm sure the Ravens greatly respected and appreciated it. 

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

He's saying Wright was good in run defense in week one. His tackling just got vastly worst from week one to two.

Ahhh I didn't read the 1. My bad. 

[MiamiRaven55]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I must disagree because Wright and Webb were both responsible for that long Crowell TD run

Wrong....... I'm not talking about one play

[balfan23]

4 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Defense: Front 7 needs to get better against the run. 100+ yards to Isaiah Crowell is unacceptable. 

Well, that 100+ is really misleading. 85 yards on one play. Sure the front 7 shouldn't let him get by there, but if the secondary does its job, its a 10 yard gain. 

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, Doomville said:

they would have aimed for endzone every single time. maybe 4 is pushing it, but they could have definitely gotten 3 chances. Also, that last drive, defense was getting no pass rush whatsoever on mccown so no, i KNEW we would give up a TD because that's just the kind of team we are right now, and unless i see otherwise in a few games, i will continue to believe it. Our defense is not so dominant as everyone here seems to believe

1. You're getting no pass rush because they're playing a prevent defense where they're only rushing 3 or 4 guys. That stops once you're that deep in the red zone, because the field shrinks significantly. Its why you see so many times give up 80 yards or so on a drive like that and then tighten up in the red zone. We are actually pretty notorious for that.

2. Nobody is suggesting the defense is dominant, though I'm not sure how you would say that "that's the kind of team we are right now" when you haven't actually seen the team do what you suggested they would do. 

Just comes off as baseless assumptions to me. A lot of 2015 analysis being used on a 2016 team.

[Ravenslifer]

I should add - Pitta hasn't missed a beat in his return.  He just needs to start finding the endzone a bit.

[redrum52]

Ugly start.  These were games we lost last year, so I'll take it.  More 2nd half Flacco.  Where the hell is the run game and can we bench Zuttah?

Edited September 18, 2016 by redrum52

[rmw10]

The edge rushers need to be a lot better too.  Suggs still looks very slow but I'm assuming it's the injury and getting back into game shape as he was improved from what we saw last week.  You can also tell ZDS was still feeling the ankle a bit.  He wasn't bad but has to make the open field shot at the sack on McCown.  Judon is a mixed bag but I'll take that from a 5th round rookie.  He can get some pressure but needs to finish.  Although the group as a whole needs some work, it's a good thing that it's more of a consistency issue than a talent issue.  If we can get them going, this could be a really good front 7.  Jernigan is wrecking the interior with pressure, and adding some help on the outside could be scary.