The Good, Bad and Awful week 2 vs Browns.

[berad]

3 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

The Good: Hestor, Moseley, Wallace, Steve Smith, Sr., Perriman, Tucker, Pees' adjustments, Clarence Brooks. Oh yeah, then there's Pitta & The Elite Guy.

The Bad: Defense giving up 20 points in the 1st quarter.

The Ugly: John Harbaugh's panicked decision to go for it on 4th and 2 at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. Head coaches should never set their team up for failure OR send a message to the team that they are in a panic situation. In that situation, he should have kicked a FG and made the score 20 -5. Instead, John panicked. Fortunately, his team did not. His atrocious call was eclipsed only by Jason Garrett's decision to do an on-side kick against the Redskins early in that game. In both situations, the HCs were bailed out by their teams on the road, where it is very difficult to win.  

Forgot about that call. It was foolish for sure, especially when we can't really run. In his defense, he was trying to get momentum but I would not have gone there.

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, January J said:

I feel the same way. It still shows up on tape though-thats all that matters.he'll get his opportunities.

Its obvious to everyone that he can make plays.  Remember the The Drive in Pitt where Torrey dropped the game winning TD, then made the game winning catch.  Small hiccup but I think we see some big games this year from him. 

[ravensnj]

Bad/ Ugly: Soooo painful to watch Jimmy Smith play without help. He is going to get smoked by AJ Green and Brown if there is no double team. / Watching Perriman fight for underthrown, but, contested balls.

 

Good: More time for both, the offense and defense to jell together. More time for the coordinators to really evaluate  players and draw up better game plans, as other teams just saw that atrocity we call a win.  

 

          

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

 

The Ugly: John Harbaugh's panicked decision to go for it on 4th and 2 at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. Head coaches should never set their team up for failure OR send a message to the team that they are in a panic situation. In that situation, he should have kicked a FG and made the score 20 -5. Instead, John panicked. Fortunately, his team did not. His atrocious call was eclipsed only by Jason Garrett's decision to do an on-side kick against the Redskins early in that game. In both situations, the HCs were bailed out by their teams on the road, where it is very difficult to win.  

2 hours ago, Gtown Purple said:

 

Is it just me or is anyone else tired of John Harbaugh being overly agressive early in games and taking points off the board? Another 4th down botch in plus territory that flushed a potential 3 points down the tube at a time when our offense sucked and 75 percent or more of the game left. If we lost by 3 points or less people would be making a much bigger deal out of it.

 

I'm a firm believer in go for it early and kick late.  It was still early in the game.  Since the average play gains more than 2 yards, going for it was legit.

[jimmypowder]

On 9/18/2016 at 4:33 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, they're not getting 4 shots. They had I believe around like 13 seconds left. They're getting 3 shots if they're efficient, maybe only 1 or 2.

I certainly had confidence. We stopped them for three quarters straight. Frankly, the only way they were scoring on us was getting like 50+ yard plays on us. 

Your assuming there is no penalty on the last play. That would give the Browns another play with time expired. 

You know the rules ,right? 

 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

Your assuming there is no penalty on the last play. That would give the Browns another play with time expired. 

You know the rules ,right? 

 

Yes, obviously I'm assuming no penalty. Most NFL plays don't have penalties.

How about an offensive penalty that requires a 10 second runoff, since they had no timeouts? You know the rules, right? If we're going to assume penalties, lets make sure we assume ALL penalties, not just the one's that fit your narrative.

I'm more of the what's most likely to happen kind of guy.

[rmcjacket23]

53 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

I'm a firm believer in go for it early and kick late.  It was still early in the game.  Since the average play gains more than 2 yards, going for it was legit.

Fans ONLY ever bring this up when the aggressiveness doesn't work to their favor. Its purely hindsight analysis, nothing more.

Should have kicked when you don't convert, should have gone for it when you do.

[berad]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Fans ONLY ever bring this up when the aggressiveness doesn't work to their favor. Its purely hindsight analysis, nothing more.

Should have kicked when you don't convert, should have gone for it when you do.

Well I remarked during the game, before the play, that I didn't agree with going for it.

I said it aloud so you'll have to take my word, I guess... But fans DO think about / grapple with the decision before it occurs. We're not watching the game for the first time.

[jimmypowder]

12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, obviously I'm assuming no penalty. Most NFL plays don't have penalties.

How about an offensive penalty that requires a 10 second runoff, since they had no timeouts? You know the rules, right? If we're going to assume penalties, lets make sure we assume ALL penalties, not just the one's that fit your narrative.

I'm more of the what's most likely to happen kind of guy.

You are just assuming , as usual. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, berad said:

Well I remarked during the game, before the play, that I didn't agree with going for it.

I said it aloud so you'll have to take my word, I guess... But fans DO think about / grapple with the decision before it occurs. We're not watching the game for the first time.

Yes, except none of them ever take the time to make a message board post second-guessing a decision that actually worked.

There en lies the difference. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, jimmypowder said:

You are just assuming , as usual. 

Highly ironic post. Thanks for your input as always.

[redrum52]

The good from that Gane is the experience.  The team has now seen this and co.e back successfully.   This to me is big for the young/new guys.  Helps build confidence for other tough games.

[Tank 92]

19 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

The good from that Gane is the experience.  The team has now seen this and co.e back successfully.   This to me is big for the young/new guys.  Helps build confidence for other tough games.

Yep, just like Joe said there are going to be tough times at many points in the season(actually he said "all the way through February") and showing that kind of resolve now prepares all to face those challenges. 

Edited September 19, 2016 by Tank 92

[ellicottraven]

Anybody else wondering why Correa hasn't progressed enough for snaps on the defense? Is it because there are better players out there or because he isn't up to speed on the defense and is probably overwhelmed and overthinks on D? Either way, it is something to watch out for especially considering the plight of Arthur Brown.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Edug27 said:

A lot of talk about Jimmy but I think he's played well the first 2 weeks. Any numbers on yards and catches he's allowed so far?

I don't have numbers, but I know it was 3/34 in game one and if I had to guess of this game, probably similar, except add in a TD.

[rmw10]

11 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Anybody else wondering why Correa hasn't progressed enough for snaps on the defense? Is it because there are better players out there or because he isn't up to speed on the defense and is probably overwhelmed and overthinks on D? Either way, it is something to watch out for especially considering the plight of Arthur Brown.

We're a whole 2 games into his career.  Relax.  He spent nearly the entire offseason as an ILB before moving back to OLB.  He was always going to take some work.

[Ravens4Real]

Hardly any talk on Stanley this game. He played very poorly. Obviously the worst game of his young career. Hopefully he continues to grow from the experience because I wouldn't say that the Browns have any formidable pass rushers.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Hardly any talk on Stanley this game. He played very poorly. Obviously the worst game of his young career. Hopefully he continues to grow from the experience because I wouldn't say that the Browns have any formidable pass rushers.

It is his second NFL game, I have no issue with learning curves, as they should be expected. 

[Ravens4Real]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

It is his second NFL game, I have no issue with learning curves, as they should be expected. 

As I said in my post, I agree with this narrative. Hopefully in the future the coaches give him some help over there when times get rough. That's a quick way to ruin a young mans confidence.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

As I said in my post, I agree with this narrative. Hopefully in the future the coaches give him some help over there when times get rough. That's a quick way to ruin a young mans confidence.

I wonder how much a of a difference it would make to have a veteran LG next to him

[Dr. Kelley]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

It is his second NFL game, I have no issue with learning curves, as they should be expected. 

Usually isn't it good when an o linen and name doesn't come up? I haven't seen how he graded out for the game yet. But yeah, he's a rookie. Even j.o. didn't start out if the gate

[Tornado700]

Ravens played hard, but probably won the game because of a nilly willie taunting call in the last minute. I love our Ravens but can't blame the Browns faithful for their booing on that call.

[usmccharles]

32 minutes ago, Tornado700 said:

Ravens played hard, but probably won the game because of a nilly willie taunting call in the last minute. I love our Ravens but can't blame the Browns faithful for their booing on that call.

Works both ways, if you acknowledge that call costing them the game, you should acknowledge the TD given to them in the first when the WRs foot was clearly out of bounds. 

[Tank 92]

The indifferent......I wish Joe Haden was a Raven. 

[Cville-Raven]

1 hour ago, Tornado700 said:

Ravens played hard, but probably won the game because of a nilly willie taunting call in the last minute. I love our Ravens but can't blame the Browns faithful for their booing on that call.

They got a TD that shouldn't have counted. Refs gave em something and took something away. Browns fans should be mad at their team for being garbage for three quarters. 

Edited September 20, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

We scored 25 unanswered points, after getting our butts handed to us. The D shut the door, or should I say slammed it shut. It wasnt pretty at first, but good teams overcome adversity. We WON the game, quit fussing.

[DenverRaven]

14 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We scored 25 unanswered points, after getting our butts handed to us. The D shut the door, or should I say slammed it shut. It wasnt pretty at first, but good teams overcome adversity. We WON the game, quit fussing.

For real. If this were last season, this team would have never come back. It's pretty easy to pack it up and call it a game when you're down 3 scores. Good teams find ways to win these games, average teams might make a comeback, but average teams don't shut it down for the next 45 minutes, and assemble a 5 point win.

[DomMcRaven]

55 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

The indifferent......I wish Joe Haden was a Raven. 

So do I. I almost feel for him. He has to be burning on the inside....

[baltimorefan328]

I don't know why I like this so much, but one overlooked thing from the game: On Tavon Young's return of the extra point, the first 2 guys to chase him down in the end zone were Judon and Canady. It's such a grind and the season is such a grueling process I just really enjoyed seeing two other rookies chase after a fellow rookie to congratulate him on a big play. Probably making something out of nothing, it was just fun to see 3 guys drafted together support each other like that on the field

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Every season we have games like this one. Even In our best seasons we've had games like this. Where nothing seems to go right for a while. Sometimes the whole game. 

The difference between the good ones and the bad ones is our ability to shake it off, focus and make the comeback. This was a defining game. We're never out of it. 

And hearing Wallace talk about how after going down 14, Joe throws a pick, they watch the Browns score another TD and he looks at Joe and he's just cool. Not effected. "We got this."

thats how Mile High Miracles happen. Love having that guy. When things are crumbling and I'm throwing stuff... Joes calm DRIVES ME NUTS. Like Joe why aren't you as mad and worried as I am? But in hindsight I'm usually glad.

Bc it's that cool that keeps the moment manageable for him. 

This is a Ravens team with heart. With resolve. With big playoff aspirations. 

Jacksonville.... here we come.