The Good, Bad and Awful week 2 vs Browns.

[JoeCool1983]

The good: The Flacco to Wallace and Pitta Connections.  Peddle and Mosley interceptions.

The Bad: The offense coming out flat and going scoreless for 4 straight drives and waiting until the 2nd quarter to score.  The defense giving up 2 straight TDs to the Browns.  We can't wait until the 2nd quarter to produce against to caliber teams.

The awful: The Browns blowing a 20 point lead.  We honestly had no business winning this game.  I'd argue we didn't beat the Browns, the Browns beat themselves.  They panicked when the Ravens started scoring.  Forced things and committed some horrible penalties.  They really shot themselves in the foot.

Edited September 19, 2016 by JoeCool1983

[JoeCool1983]

So, in my opinion, when the Browns got the ball back with 1:15 left in the 1st half, after the Ravens scored 9 straight, the panicked.  They forced the ball down field which led to the Peddle interception and a Ravens Field Goal.  They really should have kneeled down and gone to the locker room to regroup.

[FerrariFan87]

Good: Mike Wallace, the Defense after the 1st quarter, Dennis Pitta, and Justin Tucker (FGs and high kickoffs). Honorable Mention to Michael Pierce!

Bad: The first quarter generally (and the offense for most of the first half).

Ugly: The Browns uniforms. I mean, seriously?

[Edug27]

17 hours ago, Daft Classic said:

Awful: Secondary: Torched all day by some sub tier receivers. If Coleman, Pryor, and Hawkins can burn us, what will AJ Green and Antonio Brown do?

The same thing they always do to us.

[berad]

Good: Passing game beyond the mid-point of the second quarter, Flacco spread the ball around and rekindled his connection with Pitta - it paid huge dividends. Steve Smith had a couple beautiful catches after the half, he also blocked the crap out of his defender on the big Pitta play. The defense did not allow a point after their disastrous start and got timely turnovers at the end of each half, that was the difference from last season. Lots of pressures on McCown and, obviously, he was feeling the effects of a fewhuge hits by Jernigan and Mosley. Lots of young players got in on some action, too.

ST played outstanding, Hester flashed at returner, Tucker nailed big kicks, and of course a couple of blocks and the XP return. Incredible mental fortitude by this team to stay in the game and grind back for a win. Great job by a lot of leaders on this team to make that game count.

Bad: The start of the game, they came out and dominated us. It was a disgusting effort, especially by a defense that was so good a week before. Beyond that, the defense kept them from scoring but we saw a lot of poor play and a TON of third-down conversions that should never have happened. That reminded me of last year and Pees probably undid all of the good will he gained in Week 1. The secondary was routinely torched.

Penalties hit us pretty hard this game, too. Some big plays were called back because of them and it frustrated their progress.

On offense, Justin Forsett looked about as bad as I had seen him. Slow to the hole, indecisive, and went down easy. He also had the ultra-bonehead play to step out of bounds in the last 3-4min which gave Cleveland a chance... if he had not done that, there would be no Pryor catch / penalty and then Mosley INT - it counts, Justin messed that up. Lots of drops on the day, too. Flacco was getting beat up again but kept getting the ball out to avoid sacks. Joe's two interceptions were bad throws.

[jazz1988]

I think Aiken should be used more . 

[FerrariFan87]

25 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I think Aiken should be used more . 

Was he even targeted yesterday? I don't get it!

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The Good: Hestor, Moseley, Wallace, Steve Smith, Sr., Perriman, Tucker, Pees' adjustments, Clarence Brooks. Oh yeah, then there's Pitta & The Elite Guy.

The Bad: Defense giving up 20 points in the 1st quarter.

The Ugly: John Harbaugh's panicked decision to go for it on 4th and 2 at the beginning of the 2nd quarter. Head coaches should never set their team up for failure OR send a message to the team that they are in a panic situation. In that situation, he should have kicked a FG and made the score 20 -5. Instead, John panicked. Fortunately, his team did not. His atrocious call was eclipsed only by Jason Garrett's decision to do an on-side kick against the Redskins early in that game. In both situations, the HCs were bailed out by their teams on the road, where it is very difficult to win.  

[January J]

Good- 

 

-PITTA PITTA AND PITTA. y'all should a never wrote him off. 

- Wallace- already had more TDs than he did all of last year in Minnesota. He knew what he was doing by  coming to Baltimore. It ain't no fluke- this dudes back and hes got a huge chip on his shoulder that ain't goin nowhere.

-TUCKER-talk about Mr. Clutch. Money well spent. Don't ever say that kickers aren't worth that type of money. Tucker has been MONEY since week 1 of preseason. He might not miss a kick all year. Good thing we locked him up when we did.

 

BAD- the entire first quarter. The whole team.

 

Ugly- poor Cleveland. Really must suck to be a browns fan I tell you what. To be up 20-0 at home only to get shutout for 3 quarters and blow it like they've blown their last 30 first round picks? I truly feel bad for em.

[RavensFan34950]

8 hours ago, Hot rum said:

The good: joes chemistry with mike Wallace is getting better the fact that he is friends with pitta should be a plus but hopefully he is not sacrificing  throwing to other players just to make pitta look good

Shutting down cleavland in quarters 2,3,4 was great by the defense 

 

The bad :where is buck allen we need to move forsett to the bench its a run committee right so since forsett was terrible two weeks in a row that means he sits right? Omg we need dixon back. Please sit justin and give allen a chance, West is fine!  

 

JOE tighten up please youve got to spread the ball around

The Ugly: defense What the heck? happened really you give ip 20 in first quarter? 

Look we got lucky had that been New England  or Carolina wed have been toast

Is it Webb in the middle is that the problem?

 

Good win hopefully good learning experience 

Webb was late with his coverage responsibilities in a lot of plays. That's unacceptable. The first TD to Coleman, im pretty sure he was suppose to have coverage over the top. I am a huge Webb fan, but he can't continue to be late with help in coverage. He is the key on whether the secondary is great, or average.

[harfordravenfan]

No time to go thru all pages but in case it wasn't mentioned...

Shout out to the mod for putting up the temporary game thread

[ERey]

The Good:  7 Ravens rookies contributed to the win (Ronnie Stanley, Chris Moore, Tavon Young, Alex Lewis, Matt Judon, Michael Pierce, Kamalei Correa). Best Ravens draft ever after '96?

The Bad: The run game and Justin Forsett. Run blockong appears subpar and Forsett doesn't seem to have an burst. How could he run out of bounds at the end of the game?

The Ugly: The First Quarter.

[OUravensfan]

27 minutes ago, January J said:

Good- 

 

-PITTA PITTA AND PITTA. y'all should a never wrote him off. 

- Wallace- already had more TDs than he did all of last year in Minnesota. He knew what he was doing by  coming to Baltimore. It ain't no fluke- this dudes back and hes got a huge chip on his shoulder that ain't goin nowhere.

-TUCKER-talk about Mr. Clutch. Money well spent. Don't ever say that kickers aren't worth that type of money. Tucker has been MONEY since week 1 of preseason. He might not miss a kick all year. Good thing we locked him up when we did.

 

BAD- the entire first quarter. The whole team.

 

Ugly- poor Cleveland. Really must suck to be a browns fan I tell you what. To be up 20-0 at home only to get shutout for 3 quarters and blow it like they've blown their last 30 first round picks? I truly feel bad for em.

Don't feel bad for them, ever. If you lived here you wouldn't be saying that. 

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, FerrariFan87 said:

Was he even targeted yesterday? I don't get it!

 I think he was only targeted once throughout the whole game..

Edited September 19, 2016 by jazz1988

[Gtown Purple]

Good- Mike Wallace, Dennis Pitta, Justin Tucker, ST in general, getting 2 ints, keeping penalties to a minimum, pass rush

 

Bad- Joe Flacco ints, the first was a throw he knew he was making before the ball was even snapped. He barely looked anywhere else and Haden jumped it.

The second one was a total jump ball that he underthrew and he had a rb wide open in the flat for an easy 10 yards.

The defense in general in the first quarter, we really made the browns look like world beaters. Not going to cut it against a much better team in the Jags coming up

Chris Moore's dropped TD pass

Terrence West dropping 2 easy passes, both of which killed drives. Look for the ball man.............

Marshal Yanda getting blown up by Joe Haden to stuff a run play

Alex Lewis whiffing on a block and a rb sreen pass going for a loss

The running game in general, can we please stop the shotgun handoffs, they aren't working

using timeouts to quickly in the second half

 

Ugly- The browns after the first quarter, it just seemed like they took their foot off the peddle. We can't count on opponents laying down and dying like the browns did. We got lucky, not often you come back from 20 down and win, especially against good teams.

 

Is it just me or is anyone else tired of John Harbaugh being overly agressive early in games and taking points off the board? Another 4th down botch in plus territory that flushed a potential 3 points down the tube at a time when our offense sucked and 75 percent or more of the game left. If we lost by 3 points or less people would be making a much bigger deal out of it.

 

[jazz1988]

What I don't get is why Levine isn't being used often on passing situations. I know its only two games so far but I think it would be beneficial for them to use him more . Zach Orr isn't terrible in coverage but he's no where near as fast as Levine and Im not totally convinced he can keep up with the more athletic tight ends consistently ..I hope he sees more playing time soon because I was really excited to see what he could do at the linebacker positions after seeing how we played in preseason.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

What I don't get is why Levine isn't being used often on passing situations. I know its only two games so far but I think it would be beneficial for them to use him more . Zach Orr isn't terrible in coverage but he's no where near as fast as Levine and Im not totally convinced he can keep up with the more athletic tight ends consistently ..I hope he sees more playing time soon because I was really excited to see what he could do at the linebacker positions after seeing how we played in preseason.

He's been used more at CB.  It looks like him and Young are rotating in the slot position.

[Jacquouille]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

He's been used more at CB.  It looks like him and Young are rotating in the slot position.

It's driving me crazy. Young has been great at this spot, Levine has proven to be a great dime LB, so why just abandon it during the regular season? Give the slot to Young and let Levine make plays...

[jazz1988]

24 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

He's been used more at CB.  It looks like him and Young are rotating in the slot position.

 

I noticed that during the first game against The Bills  but I thought since Powers  was hea;thy it  would mean Dean Pees would start using the dime packages a little more or atleast feel more comfortable with using Levine at the linebacker position  on  obvious passing downs. I was expecting more dime packages/Levine at inside linebacker since Gary Barnidge  gave The Ravens defense fits last year but for the most part the defense kept him in check yesterday.

Edited September 19, 2016 by jazz1988

[rmw10]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

 

I noticed that during the first game but I thought since Powers  was heathy it  would mean Dean Pees would start using the dime packages a little more or atleast feel more comfortable with using Levine at the linebacker position  on  obvious passing downs. 

Powers was inactive yesterday so your CBs #3-5 were still Tavon Young, Maurice Canady, and Sheldon Price.  Canady isn't playing on defense and Price is solely there to step in as a boundary CB if needed.  That leaves Young as the only guy, so they've moved Levine there again.

[balfan23]

In my assessment, I didn't make a statement one way or another on the pass rush. It is a funny topic here - some are praising it and others are bashing it. 

I understand that we allowed McKown too much time on several occasions, but all in all, I think you have to state the rush as being at least a modest success. During the Browns 3 quarter scoring drought, the pass rush got to him on a number of plays. Not all were sacks, but the hits he took - especially the one that Mosley laid on him - had a game changing effect. McKown became less and less effective given the beating he was taking. 

I think you have to give McKown some credit for gutting this out. He was beaten up but knew he was still their best option ... but he wasn't nearly 100% through the 2nd half. Credit his severe discomfort to our pass rush. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

In my assessment, I didn't make a statement one way or another on the pass rush. It is a funny topic here - some are praising it and others are bashing it. 

I understand that we allowed McKown too much time on several occasions, but all in all, I think you have to state the rush as being at least a modest success. During the Browns 3 quarter scoring drought, the pass rush got to him on a number of plays. Not all were sacks, but the hits he took - especially the one that Mosley laid on him - had a game changing effect. McKown became less and less effective given the beating he was taking. 

I think you have to give McKown some credit for gutting this out. He was beaten up but knew he was still their best option ... but he wasn't nearly 100% through the 2nd half. Credit his severe discomfort to our pass rush. 

I think the issue with the pass rush is that it's largely manufactured right now.  A blitz or stunt can get there, but a standard 4 man rush isn't getting the job done and that's the problem.  You can't rely on play calling all the time.  There have been positive signs of course, but there needs to be a lot more consistency from the edge guys going forward.

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think the issue with the pass rush is that it's largely manufactured right now.  A blitz or stunt can get there, but a standard 4 man rush isn't getting the job done and that's the problem.  You can't rely on play calling all the time.  There have been positive signs of course, but there needs to be a lot more consistency from the edge guys going forward.

Any idea of how many QB hits and hurries we had?

Just came out, McCown wont be playing this Sunday due to shoulder injury

Edited September 19, 2016 by usmccharles

[balfan23]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think the issue with the pass rush is that it's largely manufactured right now.  A blitz or stunt can get there, but a standard 4 man rush isn't getting the job done and that's the problem.  You can't rely on play calling all the time.  There have been positive signs of course, but there needs to be a lot more consistency from the edge guys going forward.

Agree - which is why I called it a "modest success". The interior is doing a good job and ... I've got to give credit where it is due ... a lot of that has to do with Timmy. I've been all over him on needing to step up his game and he seems to be doing just that. Outside of that, Sizzle is quiet, despite seeing only a single blocker. Z is doing just OK. Judon has been a pleasant surprise, but he's not going to carry us. It is a little disappointing that Correa isn't having any sort of impact. 

Bottom line is - we need Doom back, but how effective will he be when he returns? And Sizzle ... is it just taking him time to get back into the swing or is it unreasonable to think that's he's ever going to regain his form? 

[rmw10]

Just now, balfan23 said:

Agree - which is why I called it a "modest success". The interior is doing a good job and ... I've got to give credit where it is due ... a lot of that has to do with Timmy. I've been all over him on needing to step up his game and he seems to be doing just that. Outside of that, Sizzle is quiet, despite seeing only a single blocker. Z is doing just OK. Judon has been a pleasant surprise, but he's not going to carry us. It is a little disappointing that Correa isn't having any sort of impact. 

Bottom line is - we need Doom back, but how effective will he be when he returns? And Sizzle ... is it just taking him time to get back into the swing or is it unreasonable to think that's he's ever going to regain his form? 

Yep that's the issue.  Oddly enough, McClellan has probably been our best edge guy so far.

I really hope Suggs regains form.  You can see the football intelligence but he just can't seem to get anywhere quick enough to make the play.

[Edug27]

A lot of talk about Jimmy but I think he's played well the first 2 weeks. Any numbers on yards and catches he's allowed so far?

 

[jazz1988]

23 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Powers was inactive yesterday so your CBs #3-5 were still Tavon Young, Maurice Canady, and Sheldon Price.  Canady isn't playing on defense and Price is solely there to step in as a boundary CB if needed.  That leaves Young as the only guy, so they've moved Levine there again.

wow i'm a little surprised he was inactive especially since he  was able to fully practice . I'm wondering if Powers is on his way out or that he just not healthy yet.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The Good and Bad: The overwhelming feeling that I've gotten out of this last game is 'uncertainty'. Not sure where we are right now. Based on both of our wins it's hard to tell what our identity is. Are we 'Chaos Merchants', 'Smash Mouth', or 'The Scheme Team'?

It's still early in the season, but it's fairly noticeable that we haven't solidified our new culture. That could be a 'Good' thing or a 'Bad' thing'.

[PurpleCity5]

Sucks because I really like him but I think Chris Moore missed out on an big opportunity to break out this game. He had a huge play wiped out by Pitta's illegal formation penalty and dropped what would have been a TD pass though It was on his out stretched arms. Could have been a big time break out game from him but I like what I'm seeing. 

[January J]

21 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Sucks because I really like him but I think Chris Moore missed out on an big opportunity to break out this game. He had a huge play wiped out by Pitta's illegal formation penalty and dropped what would have been a TD pass though It was on his out stretched arms. Could have been a big time break out game from him but I like what I'm seeing. 

I feel the same way. It still shows up on tape though-thats all that matters.he'll get his opportunities.

Edited September 19, 2016 by January J