Next up: Ravens at Jacksonville Jaguars, Everbank Field September 25 at 1300

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think the Jags are a lot better than the Browns as a whole. I think this is going to be an extremely difficult game to win on the road. I think that Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns could end up being too much to handle (I think that they'll pose a much more difficult challenge because (a) they are better than Coleman and Pryor, (b) Bortles has a better arm than an injured Josh McCown, and (c) Jax has less weak spots on the OL- i.e. No Cam Erving or Austin Pasztor to exploit), and I think that the Jacksonville defense is going to be a lot more prepared than they were against San Diego, Fowler and Ngakoue had very good games against the Chargers OL (which is a bad OL, but we do have 2 rookies starting). All that considered with the fact that the Ravens struggle with back to back road games could spell trouble. The Ravens best opportunity is to throw long and often, which has gotten mixed success so far this season. I definitely hate to be that guy, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm thinking the Jags take this one 24-10. 

The way things are looking, Beachum might not play, so there is that.

[Moderator 3]

3 hours ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Anyone else going to the game? Few buddies and myself are driving down, going to set up a Ravens tailgate

See this thread (and a couple others in the Ravens Fans Unite) forum.

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/69815-whos-going-to-jacksonville/

 

[jboy19]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

The way things are looking, Beachum might not play, so there is that.

That would definitely help- would weaken both the LT and LG spot with Joeckel sliding over. I hadn't seen that though. Thanks for the heads up. If that happens I think the score is a lot closer and Ravens sneak in a 14-13 win. 

[AWOLFNATION]

I think that the running game will be of huge importance this week. Going up against an offense that can score like the Jaguars can, it will be important for the Ravens to control the time of possession battle. If they can do that, and hold the Jaguars to field goals instead of touchdowns, they can hopefully get out of town with a win.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

That would definitely help- would weaken both the LT and LG spot with Joeckel sliding over. I hadn't seen that though. Thanks for the heads up. If that happens I think the score is a lot closer and Ravens sneak in a 14-13 win. 

Beachum is getting released today from SD hospital and enters the concussion protocol.   If that's the case we need bring a lot of pressure. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

wasnt buying into draft hype, i was buying into their roster in general lol. 

with them drafting ramsey it shoulve done a lot to solidify their secondary and front seven all in one swing, and then dante fowler reportedly looked like a world beater in camp and i saw some footage that backed up the claim as well, then malik jackson was a great pickup as well. their defense looked to be really coming together. 

and then on offense they have a big play foundation and a big play RB, and even got a decent LT finally in beachum. 

 

none of it looked like hype to me, they looked totally legit.

Malik Jackson looks like a dud so far. And, i know we've seen some guys do it in recent years, but how often do rookie corners really come out of the gates playing lock down coverage? He's solid, but not a fix-all for a secondary. 

Fowler and Yannick look good, but the rest of their front 7 looks bad. Jackson especially has been awful. He had a break out year last year, but prior to that was a bench player in Denver. Plus, he was surrounded by Derek Wolfe, Von Miller, and Demarcus Ware. That can really make a guy look better than he is.

I admit to being a bit guilty of it in the offseason as well, but their offense was really explosive last year and it didnt help them to many wins... and while their defense definitely looks improved on paper, the main additions are 1st year players and a couple big FA signings. Counting on several 1st year pieces is typically not a recipe for success.

 

Are they a dangerous team, capable of beating anyone on any given week? Sure. But, really most teams in the NFL are. I view them in a very similar space as the Bills, Jets, Giants, Redskins, etc... Teams that have a lot of talent on paper, but what looks really good is potential. Lots of young players with a very limited track record of success. The talent is there to win games, but i dont see the winning culture, experienced coaching, and proven playmakers needed to be consistently dangerous and real playoff contenders.

While we have a lot of new pieces, and have yet to put a full game together... we're a team that knows how to win. I dont know too many teams that go down 20 pts on the 1st three drives of a game, never lose their cool, stick to the game plan, and pull out a win. idc who the opponent is - not many teams have the presence to pull that off.

 

We havent peaked by a long shot, and have yet to really play great football in all 3 phases.... but until we get there this is a team that knows better than most how to grind out close, hard-fought battles. And bc of that, i think fearing this type of team is a mistake.

I dont see any teams other than maybe the Pats, Cardinals, Panthers, and MAYBE the Broncos and Seahawks that we should go into the game thinking anything less than a 50/50 chance to win. Everyone else should be a toss up at worst, if not us being favored.

Edited September 19, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

16 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

The Jags are 0-2 coming off that road lost to SD today.  Now they are at home, irritated, ornery, pissed off and will probably play like world-beaters against the Ravens in attempts to get their 1st win of the season.  Seems like the Ravens play down to the "supposedly" lower teams and nearly all of them gets geared up for the Ravens.  I predicted a win here and although the Ravens are 2-0 going into this game; after seeing this slow, stagnant and stalling offense for 2 weeks in a row now, I don't know!  I just hope that they can go in there and avoid the trap and get it done!  You know, seeing a dominating performance by the Ravens on both sides of the ball and on the road to become 3-0 would be nice!  Pleeeeease!

This offense put up 25 points in 3 qtrs yesterday. And had an easy TD dropped by Moore, and a stupid penalty on Pitta that whiped out a chance at 1st and goal from the 2. Probably another TD there.

We have a defense thats been the best in the league for 7 out of 8 quarters (though that 1 was gosh darn awful); and an offense thats moved the ball pretty well in the passing game... and a run game that has closed out the 4th qtr in 2 close games. I think if the run game clicks it will only improve the passing game even more... by week 4 i think we'll start to have an idea of what this offense will actually look like, but until then i think there are just too many moving parts and new pieces to definitively say this is what we are.

And i believe Dixon is going to be the outright #1 back by the 2nd week of his return. First week he'll be getting back into shape.. 2nd week hes going to take over.

 

so, we could have one of the best defenses in the NFL. We've accomplished quite a bit with really good defense and sub-standard offense. Add in an at the very least capable offense, if not an explosive and top half unit and i think we're in great shape. This defense will keep us in almost every game. If Joe can make the plays we need him to, we're going to be tough for anyone to beat.

[ellicottraven]

The Jags are playing for their self respect and for their coaches at HOME. We haven't performed very well in either of our outings this season. If we come out flat against Jacksonville, we will get blown out in this game. Their defense is very talented and Bortles can get into a zone with his great receiving corps.

Both our units better come to play far better than they've played. Keep in mind, Jacksonville has a lot of confidence against the Ravens because they came to Baltimore and earned a win however controversial that may have been.

So, if we don't have an awesome game plan and execute it to precision next Sunday, more likely than not we'll fly back home disappointed and with a loss. Hopefully we've learned not to play down to the competition and win this game convincingly.

Edited September 19, 2016 by ellicottraven

[AsianRice]

On paper, we should beat the Jags straight up, but in reality, anything can happen on any Sunday.  I just hope the Ravens of week 1 show up to play this coming Sunday........

 

[Tank 92]

18 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

The Jags are 0-2 coming off that road lost to SD today.  Now they are at home, irritated, ornery, pissed off and will probably play like world-beaters against the Ravens in attempts to get their 1st win of the season.  Seems like the Ravens play down to the "supposedly" lower teams and nearly all of them gets geared up for the Ravens.  I predicted a win here and although the Ravens are 2-0 going into this game; after seeing this slow, stagnant and stalling offense for 2 weeks in a row now, I don't know!  I just hope that they can go in there and avoid the trap and get it done!  You know, seeing a dominating performance by the Ravens on both sides of the ball and on the road to become 3-0 would be nice!  Pleeeeease!

The days of "playing down to weaker opponents" is a long distant memory in the minds of the 2016 Ravens. I doubt a team coming off a 5-11 season has any such issues. That said, there are lot of very young and inexperienced pieces and they are still a work in progress that hopefully will be improving week by week.

I think right now most of the responsibility lies with the O line to get it together as a unit, and that may require a change at center. It seems pretty obvious that Zuttah has been the weakest link.  

[Ravens4Real]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Malik Jackson looks like a dud so far. And, i know we've seen some guys do it in recent years, but how often do rookie corners really come out of the gates playing lock down coverage? He's solid, but not a fix-all for a secondary. 

Fowler and Yannick look good, but the rest of their front 7 looks bad. Jackson especially has been awful. He had a break out year last year, but prior to that was a bench player in Denver. Plus, he was surrounded by Derek Wolfe, Von Miller, and Demarcus Ware. That can really make a guy look better than he is.

I admit to being a bit guilty of it in the offseason as well, but their offense was really explosive last year and it didnt help them to many wins... and while their defense definitely looks improved on paper, the main additions are 1st year players and a couple big FA signings. Counting on several 1st year pieces is typically not a recipe for success.

 

Are they a dangerous team, capable of beating anyone on any given week? Sure. But, really most teams in the NFL are. I view them in a very similar space as the Bills, Jets, Giants, Redskins, etc... Teams that have a lot of talent on paper, but what looks really good is potential. Lots of young players with a very limited track record of success. The talent is there to win games, but i dont see the winning culture, experienced coaching, and proven playmakers needed to be consistently dangerous and real playoff contenders.

While we have a lot of new pieces, and have yet to put a full game together... we're a team that knows how to win. I dont know too many teams that go down 20 pts on the 1st three drives of a game, never lose their cool, stick to the game plan, and pull out a win. idc who the opponent is - not many teams have the presence to pull that off.

 

We havent peaked by a long shot, and have yet to really play great football in all 3 phases.... but until we get there this is a team that knows better than most how to grind out close, hard-fought battles. And bc of that, i think fearing this type of team is a mistake.

I dont see any teams other than maybe the Pats, Cardinals, Panthers, and MAYBE the Broncos and Seahawks that we should go into the game thinking anything less than a 50/50 chance to win. Everyone else should be a toss up at worst, if not us being favored.

I'm fairly certain most sane posters in this forum would say we aren't favored against the Begals. I don't know why but we can't seem to get over that hurdle. Of course we have to play them at the end of the year when all of their big guys will be back healthy/from suspension.

[Ravens4Real]

50 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

The days of "playing down to weaker opponents" is a long distant memory in the minds of the 2016 Ravens. I doubt a team coming off a 5-11 season has any such issues. That said, there are lot of very young and inexperienced pieces and they are still a work in progress that hopefully will be improving week by week.

I think right now most of the responsibility lies with the O line to get it together as a unit, and that may require a change at center. It seems pretty obvious that Zuttah has been the weakest link.  

Well, I sure hope like hell that we just played down to our competition in the Browns. Because if not, we won't win very many games if we play like that against the better teams in the league. Browns may not win a game all year.

[Wildabeast88]

17 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Will Doom and Dixon be back for this one? If so, that'd be huge 

Will Davis too I hope 

[ravensdfan]

This one...egad.

Jags are 0-2. Going to come out with everything they have.

We're Away.

The refs and the NFL just admitted they missed 16 calls in their game vs GB so I have to wonder if they'll be sure all close ones go their way.

We like to really play lousy against the Jags traditionally.

Ugly is fine. Just win.

Edited September 20, 2016 by ravensdfan

[stuckonaboat13]

8 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

I was actually going to fly back to Ft Myers to see family and go this game, but plans got in the way.  I was at the dolphins game two years ago, there was just as many Ravens fans as Dolphins fans

Yea about 10 of us stationed here at MCAS BEAUFORT and PI  are headed down. Did the same the same thing for the Tampa game a few years ago , it was like a home game for the birds 

[PurpleCity5]

This win will be huge. I mean if you win this then you got Oakland at home. Now Oakland is no push over but their defense is marked as the worst in the entire league. They've given up an insane 1100+ yards in two games! That's crazy insane. If we get to 4-0 with the Redskins in front that would be an amazing start for this team. 

[flynismo]

San Diego dinked and dunked their way to a 38 - 14 blow out.

The dink and dunk offense is right up Trestman's alley.

I never bought into the JAX hype, and we have more talent on offense (better QB, more depth at WR and TE, call the RBs and OL a wash) and our defense has been playing better. And breaking down the actual matchups, which is far more relevant...how can you not love what you see?

Telling you guys, this is the year we go back to being a 12 win team. Chalk this up as a W

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Yea about 10 of us stationed here at MCAS BEAUFORT and PI  are headed down. Did the same the same thing for the Tampa game a few years ago , it was like a home game for the birds 

Haha.  I work on Mcas Miramar 

[Jacquouille]

43 minutes ago, flynismo said:

San Diego dinked and dunked their way to a 38 - 14 blow out.

The dink and dunk offense is right up Trestman's alley.

I never bought into the JAX hype, and we have more talent on offense (better QB, more depth at WR and TE, call the RBs and OL a wash) and our defense has been playing better. And breaking down the actual matchups, which is far more relevant...how can you not love what you see?

Telling you guys, this is the year we go back to being a 12 win team. Chalk this up as a W

I'm kind of scared by the Jimmy/Shareece vs Allens match-up. 

That being said, the pass rush should work well and Bortles will throw some INTs. 

[Sami84]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

I'm kind of scared by the Jimmy/Shareece vs Allens match-up. 

That being said, the pass rush should work well and Bortles will throw some INTs. 

 

ok i'm going to say it..im less worried by robinson than i am of allen hurns..the former is very overrated IMHO

[Maryland]

On defense, I foresee Wright getting picked on a lot, Webb being slow to provide help on deep balls, and a lot of frustrating near-sacks.

On offense, I foresee a lot of passing, and a lot of runs that get disrupted by pressure up the middle by Malik Jackson. 

We're going to need to win in a high-scoring shootout. Our pass-rushers are going to need to play out of their minds to mask a struggling secondary. 

[OUravensfan]

Something just feels special so far this year when watching their locker room footage. Under the radar

[jboy19]

Malik Jackson doesn't really line up over the C very much, will be lining up most between Yanda and Wagner, Roy Miller is their Nose. 

[Static]

Don't trust the secondary in this game but Jacksonvillie's defense doesn't scare me.

 

Hopefully Joe doesnt test Ramsey like he did Haden.

[ellicottraven]

13 minutes ago, Static said:

Don't trust the secondary in this game but Jacksonvillie's defense doesn't scare me.

 

Hopefully Joe doesnt test Ramsey like he did Haden.

I think he should. Just because he made a couple of bad throws Haden's way doesn't mean he'll make the same bad throws in Jacksonville. Those INTs were more Joe's fault than Haden's greatness that got him those INTs. 

[redlobster]

Just visited the Jaguars forum, love their score predictions. 

 

Apparently the key to the game is lots of crossing routes and getting a receiver vs Paul Paslouzky.

 

Maybe Arthur Brown will play for Jacksonville?

Edited September 20, 2016 by redlobster

[PurpleCity5]

I can see our DLine completely wrecking this game. Jacksonville's offensive line is a big weak-point for this game and I see Brandon Williams and Timmy Jernigan taking advantage of the weak inside presence they have there. Brandon Lindon is solid but Luke Joeckel hasn't been all that good and might have to be moved back to LT, a place where he has severely disappointed at since being drafted 3(?) back in 2014. Losing Kevin Becham really would hurt them. Especially if Doom comes back. 

 

 

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, redlobster said:

Just visited the Jaguars forum, love their score predictions. 

 

Apparently the key to the game is lots of crossing routes and getting a receiver vs Paul Paslouzky.

 

Maybe Arthur Brown will play for Jacksonville?

Yeah I was digging around there too. 75% of them want to lose so they can fire Bradley after the London game.

I am amazed how confident a couple of them are predicting blowouts from a team that gave up 38 points to a team that lost their best receiver (Allen) and their statistical leading receiver from last year (Woodhead). Don't get me wrong, the Jaguars are capable of winning this game, but it's probably not going to be any sort of landslide. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 9/18/2016 at 10:53 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

wasnt buying into draft hype, i was buying into their roster in general lol. 

with them drafting ramsey it shoulve done a lot to solidify their secondary and front seven all in one swing, and then dante fowler reportedly looked like a world beater in camp and i saw some footage that backed up the claim as well, then malik jackson was a great pickup as well. their defense looked to be really coming together. 

and then on offense they have a big play foundation and a big play RB, and even got a decent LT finally in beachum. 

 

none of it looked like hype to me, they looked totally legit.

 

If you say so.  But to me they are just another 8-8 team with playoff aspiration at best.   I don't see them anything more than a hype.  

[52520Andrew]

I don't think we are going to look past the Jaguars this year even if they are 0-2. 

The Jaguars O-line took a hit with Beachum more than likely out with a concussion so our pass rush should be okay. The question is how our secondary can hold up and if our pass rush can do enough to help them against a very talented WR core. Robinson may not have done much last week but he is still one of the best WR in the NFL, Hurns is a really solid #2, they have Greene and Lee, and then they are rolling with Julius Thomas at TE. This should be a big test for our secondary. 

The offense should be able to get some decent points on the board if they show up as the Jaguars have been a bit leaky on defense but we are always capable of throwing a dud out there and the Jags do have a lot of talent on that defense.