2017 Hall of Fame Nominees

[berad]

This week, the Pro Football Hall of Fame released their 94-name list of nominees for the 2017 HOF class. Many familiar names to Ravens fans, including some former Ravens like Derrick Mason and Randall Cunningham. Up to 8 nominees will eventually make it into the HOF, if I was voting I would chose...

RB LaDanian Tomlinson

WR Terrell Owens

OG Alan Faneca

DE Jason Taylor

LB Zach Taylor

DB Brian Dawkins

DB Steve Atwater

Coach Don Coryell

Might be my modern-day bias but those are some great NFL players.

There are some names on there that are just disgraceful and have more to do with media affiliations than NFL performance. Guys like Tedy Bruschi, Carl Banks, Willie McGinest, Rodney Harrison, and Darren Woodson are examples of that. Some guys should be removed for gross incompetence of selection, Bob Sanders, Tedy Bruschi, and Willie McGinest were no where near all-time great players. And Darren Sharper is on the list... seriously??

What is your opinion?

See the full list here - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000702644/article/nominees-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2017-announced

[PolishRifle]

TO was a nightmare in the lockerroom, though.

[berad]

13 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

TO was a nightmare in the lockerroom, though.

Yes but I believe the voters have already gotten their venom out on that topic by making him wait last year. He could wait a couple more but there are some legitimately worthy WRs that need to start getting inducted.

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, berad said:

Yes but I believe the voters have already gotten their venom out on that topic by making him wait last year. He could wait a couple more but there are some legitimately worthy WRs that need to start getting inducted.

You mean like our favourite, Hines Ward?

[berad]

16 hours ago, allblackraven said:

You mean like our favourite, Hines Ward?

I like to refer to him by his given name, Whines Hard

[BmoreBird22]

I don't actually see a special case for Hines Ward.

His big claim to fame is catching 1,000 passes, but over the course of 14 years, that's 71 catchers per season, which isn't some insane number. 

He broke 1,000 yards six times (two times, if he had 5 less yards, he does not break 1,000), only four consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, only broke double digit touchdowns three times with mediocre numbers the rest of the time, and only had one 100 catch season. As far as accolades go, he only had five Pro-Bowls and three second team All-Pro awards.

And this isn't a case like Steve Smith or Andre Johnson where the vast majority of their career was played with bad quarterbacks. He played eight of his 14 years with Ben Roethlisberger.

I don't think of him as being one of the greatest receivers to ever play the game, nor would I have ever considered him one of the top 5 receivers in any given season that he played and that's what I think of as being HoF worthy. With Steve Smith, yeah, his stats aren't great, but we could easily call him one of the most dominant players during his Carolina Panthers year. With Andre Johnson, yeah, he didn't catch a ton of touchdowns, but he was easily the best receiver in the NFL before Megatron caught on. With TO, I actually consider him the second best receiver to ever play the game.

Hines Ward? Just the dirtiest receiver to ever play the game in an otherwise non-noteworthy career.

[Willbacker]

On ‎9‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 11:29 AM, berad said:

Up to 8 nominees will eventually make it into the HOF

I believe it 5 modern day players, a contributer (like a coach or owner) and then 2 players selected by the the veterans committee who are usually shoo=ins. Not 100% sure tho..

The 5 I would put in

Kurt Warner(QB), Alan Faneca(OL), Terrel Owens(WR), John Lynch/Steve Atwater(DBs just one of these tho since I believe they completely equal with my nod going to Atwater cuz of longevity), and Morten Anderson(PK). Jimmy Johnson would be my coach.

Some really close ones tho would be Terrel Davis who I don't believe that Elway would have won his SBs without and Simeon Rice who was sackmaster central. How come Kevin Greene(3rd most sacks ever) was not on the list? He should not only be on the list he should be in.

One interesting name to me tho might be the 1st NT in Fred Smerlas who ate up blockers and allowed guys like Bruce Smith and Cornelius Bennett to make plays but NTs don't get stats or no love but they contribute mightily. Makes me curious who is actually gonna be the 1st true NT to actually make the HOF. Wilfork??

 

 

[allblackraven]

8 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't actually see a special case for Hines Ward.

Hines Ward? Just the dirtiest receiver to ever play the game in an otherwise non-noteworthy career.

Yeah, obviously - me neither. I was just little perplexed that he can be nominated at all.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Yeah, obviously - me neither. I was just little perplexed that he can be nominated at all.

I think it has to do with two rings and 1,000 receptions.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think it has to do with two rings and 1,000 receptions.

I'd add a team he played for, too.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

I'd add a team he played for, too.

He's not even the most worthy one from that team in this class.

[berad]

19 hours ago, Willbacker said:

I believe it 5 modern day players, a contributer (like a coach or owner) and then 2 players selected by the the veterans committee who are usually shoo=ins. Not 100% sure tho..

The 5 I would put in

Kurt Warner(QB), Alan Faneca(OL), Terrel Owens(WR), John Lynch/Steve Atwater(DBs just one of these tho since I believe they completely equal with my nod going to Atwater cuz of longevity), and Morten Anderson(PK). Jimmy Johnson would be my coach.

Some really close ones tho would be Terrel Davis who I don't believe that Elway would have won his SBs without and Simeon Rice who was sackmaster central. How come Kevin Greene(3rd most sacks ever) was not on the list? He should not only be on the list he should be in.

One interesting name to me tho might be the 1st NT in Fred Smerlas who ate up blockers and allowed guys like Bruce Smith and Cornelius Bennett to make plays but NTs don't get stats or no love but they contribute mightily. Makes me curious who is actually gonna be the 1st true NT to actually make the HOF. Wilfork??

 

 

Good point, I just threw 8 in but you're correct there have to be sub-categories in that.

Davis was great but his great years were so abbreviated. He only played 7 years in his career and his first 4 started out incredible - average 1600 yards rushing, almost 300 receiving, over a dozen TDs, of course the 2000 yard season and 3 straight All-Pros. But injuries struck and his final 4 years he only averaged ~400 yds per year. He wasn't the same guy. Tough to do it but I think the voters look for longevity as well as great performance and stats

You'll be happy to know Greene got in this past year lol!

And Wilfork has a good shot. Other NTs of our era, Casey Hampton, Ted Washington, and Jamal Williams just were not as dominant or played as long as he did.

[Tank 92]

LBs brewski, Mcginest and Joey freakin' Porter?  gimme a break.

[Willbacker]

13 hours ago, berad said:

Good point, I just threw 8 in but you're correct there have to be sub-categories in that.

Davis was great but his great years were so abbreviated. He only played 7 years in his career and his first 4 started out incredible - average 1600 yards rushing, almost 300 receiving, over a dozen TDs, of course the 2000 yard season and 3 straight All-Pros. But injuries struck and his final 4 years he only averaged ~400 yds per year. He wasn't the same guy. Tough to do it but I think the voters look for longevity as well as great performance and stats

You'll be happy to know Greene got in this past year lol!

And Wilfork has a good shot. Other NTs of our era, Casey Hampton, Ted Washington, and Jamal Williams just were not as dominant or played as long as he did.

lol

[BristolMike]

On 9/16/2016 at 11:29 AM, berad said:

This week, the Pro Football Hall of Fame released their 94-name list of nominees for the 2017 HOF class. Many familiar names to Ravens fans, including some former Ravens like Derrick Mason and Randall Cunningham. Up to 8 nominees will eventually make it into the HOF, if I was voting I would chose...

RB LaDanian Tomlinson

WR Terrell Owens

OG Alan Faneca

DE Jason Taylor

LB Zach Taylor

DB Brian Dawkins

DB Steve Atwater

Coach Don Coryell

Might be my modern-day bias but those are some great NFL players.

There are some names on there that are just disgraceful and have more to do with media affiliations than NFL performance. Guys like Tedy Bruschi, Carl Banks, Willie McGinest, Rodney Harrison, and Darren Woodson are examples of that. Some guys should be removed for gross incompetence of selection, Bob Sanders, Tedy Bruschi, and Willie McGinest were no where near all-time great players. And Darren Sharper is on the list... seriously??

What is your opinion?

See the full list here - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000702644/article/nominees-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2017-announced

I think that they let too many players into the HOF each year, IMO.

I think WR T.O should be in the HOF despite many people & his old teammates not liking him.  He got the job done with different QBs on different teams with different schemes.  

RB Tomlinson seems like a given to me.

DB Brian Dawkins is the most easiest vote for HOF among the list.  He is one of the best FS to ever play besides Ed Reed!

DE Jason Taylor.. yeah i dont know about tht one...

Coach Don Coryelll honestly Im kind of against putting in HCs unless they do something really spectacular or note worthy like Bill Parcells making bad teams great more than once or Joe Gibbs coaching scrubs to beat pros that kind of thing.

[berad]

7 hours ago, BristolMike said:

Coach Don Coryelll honestly Im kind of against putting in HCs unless they do something really spectacular or note worthy like Bill Parcells making bad teams great more than once or Joe Gibbs coaching scrubs to beat pros that kind of thing.

I know it's Wikipedia but they did a good job aggregating some points and quotes in his favor for HOF consideration - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Coryell#Hall_of_Fame_consideration

On further consideration, I'd probably leave Taylor off, you're right.

[RedFire]

Skill players that need to be in on this ballot:

 

 

McNabb

LT

TO 

Brian Dawkins

 

 

[Nightman]

On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 0:16 AM, BristolMike said:

I think that they let too many players into the HOF each year, IMO.

I think WR T.O should be in the HOF despite many people & his old teammates not liking him.  He got the job done with different QBs on different teams with different schemes.  

RB Tomlinson seems like a given to me.

DB Brian Dawkins is the most easiest vote for HOF among the list.  He is one of the best FS to ever play besides Ed Reed!

DE Jason Taylor.. yeah i dont know about tht one...

Coach Don Coryelll honestly Im kind of against putting in HCs unless they do something really spectacular or note worthy like Bill Parcells making bad teams great more than once or Joe Gibbs coaching scrubs to beat pros that kind of thing.

Joe Gibbs is the only coach to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks, Thiesmann, Williams and Rypen.  In the book Next Man Up, he was the original choice to replace Ted Marchibroda on the Ravens, but he was not interested and they got Brian Billick instead.

[George70]

On 11/21/2016 at 4:11 PM, Nightman said:

Joe Gibbs is the only coach to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks, Thiesmann, Williams and Rypen.  In the book Next Man Up, he was the original choice to replace Ted Marchibroda on the Ravens, but he was not interested and they got Brian Billick instead.

Interesting, Nightman - never knew he was considered to coach the Ravens.

As for a HC in the Hall, I would have to go with either Gibbs, Coryell or - brace yourselves, here;s a blast from the past - Oail Andrew Phillips, alias Bum Phillips.

Those are my choices, let me know what you think of them.

[Nightman]

On 12/23/2016 at 5:30 PM, George70 said:

Interesting, Nightman - never knew he was considered to coach the Ravens.

As for a HC in the Hall, I would have to go with either Gibbs, Coryell or - brace yourselves, here;s a blast from the past - Oail Andrew Phillips, alias Bum Phillips.

Those are my choices, let me know what you think of them.

Gibbs was an assistant under Coryell in San Diego.   Gibbs probably bled burgundy and gold and that's why he didn't take the Ravens job, although he should have stayed in NASCAR where he was successful as his own boss of a racing originzatin, than come back to the Skins where Snyder was desperate to hire him.

[TSizzle00]

Bob Sanders on the list? LOL

[JO_75]

What does everyone think of the Class of 2017? TO was robbed in my opinion but I'm happy about the rest of the class?

Also 2018 is the year Ray Lewis is eligible for the first time. Who's going to Canton for that?

[feel_the_rush]

I am glad Jason Taylor got introduced.

But what is Jerry Jones doing there?

[52520Andrew]

Thought TO and Dawkins should have gotten in

Not a huge fan of the Davis and Anderson picks

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Thought TO and Dawkins should have gotten in

Not a huge fan of the Davis and Anderson picks

I have no issue with Anderson. Best kicker in the NFL and leads the NFL in points scored.

I do think Davis is a case of a player who should make it, but he didn't play long enough. At the expense of TO, though? No chance.

[BmoreBird22]

On 2/6/2017 at 3:03 AM, JO_75 said:

What does everyone think of the Class of 2017? TO was robbed in my opinion but I'm happy about the rest of the class?

Also 2018 is the year Ray Lewis is eligible for the first time. Who's going to Canton for that?

The class next year will be nuts with Moss, TO, Lewis, and Barber. All should be (or have been) first ballot players. I can't see TO and Moss getting in the same year (two controversial players in the same class at the same position?), so one will sit out. Question is, which will it be?

[ludy51]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The class next year will be nuts with Moss, TO, Lewis, and Barber. All should be (or have been) first ballot players. I can't see TO and Moss getting in the same year (two controversial players in the same class at the same position?), so one will sit out. Question is, which will it be?

I'd bet TO

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

I'd bet TO

It'd be such a slight at TO. 

For as much of a headache as TO was, I'd say Moss was worse, although, they're both top three receivers ever, so how could you really make either sit?

[ludy51]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It'd be such a slight at TO. 

For as much of a headache as TO was, I'd say Moss was worse, although, they're both top three receivers ever, so how could you really make either sit?

They'll both get in no doubt. Be interesting either way for sure

[52520Andrew]

27 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I have no issue with Anderson. Best kicker in the NFL and leads the NFL in points scored.

I do think Davis is a case of a player who should make it, but he didn't play long enough. At the expense of TO, though? No chance.

Played a lot in domes and was just under 80% in accuracy rate. The longevity is nice but it is tough for me to put any kicker in the hall. Vinatieri is about the only deserving one I can think of due to some real clutch kicks and the longevity. If Anderson is deserving then where does it stop with kickers? I think you can now make a case for a lot of guys.

Doesn't have the longevity to me and I think the scheme helped him out a lot(remember who the coaches were here during his good years). I could make a pretty solid argument for Jamal being better but I doubt Jamal will come close to the hall.

Dawkins was huge for the Eagles and then the Broncos, thought he deserved it and we both agree TO should be in