Perriman

[ALPHA]

He constantly gets trashed on the sun website.

[Davesta]

Is it too early to label this guy with the "B" word? Cause I've seen nothing from him. Definitely not the 4.2 speed... Ozzie and his WR troubles. Sigh

[K-Dog]

11 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Is it too early to label this guy with the "B" word? Cause I've seen nothing from him. Definitely not the 4.2 speed... Ozzie and his WR troubles. Sigh

Yes.  Absolutely WAY too early.  Five games into his career.  Just five games.
Two of the five games Joe has been running for his life when Perriman was scooting down the field. 

[RayRocks]

2 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Is it too early to label this guy with the "B" word? Cause I've seen nothing from him. Definitely not the 4.2 speed... Ozzie and his WR troubles. Sigh

Lol, he almost caught the game-winning pass.  If this was college, it would have been a Ravens win.

The offensive line hasn't protected well enough for him to get many chances.  He'll be fine.

[flynismo]

14 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Is it too early to label this guy with the "B" word? 

Absolutely not, you can label him whatever you want whenever you want. It may make you look like a complete fool, but go ahead if that's what you wish to do.

[K-Dog]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Absolutely not, you can label him whatever you want whenever you want. It may make you look like a complete fool, but go ahead if that's what you wish to do.

I like this answer better.

[Tank 92]

31 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Absolutely not, you can label him whatever you want whenever you want. It may make you look like a complete fool, but go ahead if that's what you wish to do.

you must be butta, cuz you on a roll.   lol

[sflegend89]

People underestimate how a year long layoff can affect a college player transitioning to the NFL, patience is deserved given his situation. Also nobody has looked good under Trestman, let's see how Breshad get's on when offense is actually clicking.

Look at the spectacular catch he made against Buffalo and the move he put on Norman (A top 10 CB) to get to the ball. I see talent and potential, I just don't see confidence and precision. Those are things he can hopefully develop, tbe good news is he already has some major intangibles that can't be coached. I think Breshad will be a late bloomer but well worth the wait.

[flynismo]

12 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

you must be butta, cuz you on a roll.   lol

Just channeling my inner Chappelle

[Daft Classic]

7 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

People underestimate how a year long layoff can affect a college player transitioning to the NFL, patience is deserved given his situation. Also nobody has looked good under Trestman, let's see how Breshad get's on when offense is actually clicking.

Look at the spectacular catch he made against Buffalo and the move he put on Norman (A top 10 CB) to get to the ball. I see talent and potential, I just don't see confidence and precision. Those are things he can hopefully develop, tbe good news is he already has some major intangibles that can't be coached. I think Breshad will be a late bloomer but well worth the wait.

I attribute his feet not getting down as a rookie mistake, but if that toe goes down, Norman gets embarrassed by a beautiful catch. 

I'm pretty much writing off this season for Perriman with the hopes that he can just finish the year. Getting a bunch of catches, yards, or TD's would just be extra. He's still learning the game professionally, and people said he was a high upside project coming out of college anyways. Let him get a feel for the offense at #3/#4 and next year hold him to a higher standard

[gtalk12]

He makes some tough catches and has dropped some easy ones....I see a ton of potential because he shows ability that no other receiver we have can do. If he comes down with that catch on both feet he would have burned Norman....I mean, he still did...he just could not keep his feet in....as for the speed, remember that easy one he dropped in the beginning? 5 games and somebody wants to label him a bust? seriously? this is probably the first guy with actual ability has been drafted for us at the WR position...

Flacco has thrown some lazers his way that he has adjusted and dove for and MADE. be easy

[Davesta]

If he was a mid round pick, I wouldn't care as much. But spending a 1st on a WR who's known for the drops? And what does he do finally in live games? Of course, drops balls. 

[Deflated Football]

Let's not act like he was as refined as Cooper, Beckham Jr., coming out of college. He's not just going to come in day one and put up over 1,000 yards even if he didn't miss his first season. Patience, people

[K-Dog]

34 minutes ago, Davesta said:

If he was a mid round pick, I wouldn't care as much. But spending a 1st on a WR who's known for the drops? And what does he do finally in live games? Of course, drops balls. 

How many drops to completions ?
Without looking it up I think he is well on the positive side.  I am fine with that.  Even the best have drops.  It happens.

[Inqui]

5 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

How many drops to completions ?
Without looking it up I think he is well on the positive side.  I am fine with that.  Even the best have drops.  It happens.

I think the deep drop this week just owed to a small timing issue, where he got his hands out a split second too late. That should start to improve as he and Joe get some more reps together.

WAY to early to say that this is even close to the finished product. The end of next season is the earliest I'd be comfortable looking at hitting him with the "b" word, but even then it might take until his fourth year to really break out for all we know - especially considering he's a year behind schedule.

Edited October 11, 2016 by Inqui

[BmoreRavens732]

He's fine. Ton of talent and potential. I see it every game. I think the games moving a little to fast for him he just has to slow it down a little bit. He will get it with more experience. This is technically his rookie year. He missed all of training camp last year plus the season and pretty Much all camp this year and has a handful of plays in 1 single preseason game. He's just catching up. He reminds me of Torrey where he was making sick plays in practice just not transitioning to the field. Except perrimans potential it head and shoulders above Torrey. Patience people.

[PurpleCity5]

Still so much time for him to show himself. It's ridiculous how ready some of you guys are to declare a guy a bust. This guy played in the final pre-season game and 5 this year after missing a whole season and two straight training camps. You have to give the guy time. 

[JoeyFlex5]

For anyone who doesn't understand how drops and inexperience can go hand in hand...

Wr's whole role is based on timing, chemistry with the qb, and familiarity with the task he's assigned.. He hasn't had a chance to learn or develop any of this, you can't catch a ball if you are a millisecond late to turn your head or if you break your route early and the ball is slightly thrown behind because the timing is off, or if he is thinking far too much about how to perfectly execute the route to get open. That's what happened on the deep ball, you can see he got his arms out late, he was alligator armed and was just beginning to reach out.

You cant judge this kid until he shows an obvious incompetency, which he hasn't even come close to showing yet. Matter of fact he's shown the opposite, that he has tons of talent the likes of which this team has never seen and a no quit attitude. 

[JoeyFlex5]

By the way.. Just take a good look at perriman when he's lined up at the bottom of the screen..  He looks like a dream receiver. He made Norman look so little while lined up And was able to get behind him often when it was schemed to him deep. And then the ball skills at the end were incredible, just another 2 inches to the inside and he wins the game on the best catch of the season.

[Maryland]

I was admittedly bearish on Perriman as a prospect because he had drop problems in college and didn't seem to play like someone with 4.2 speed. Plus I questioned if he would ever become capable of running a full playbook (same problem as Torrey). 

I think he has shown the ability to make difficult hands-catches, but he still struggles with concentration drops. This makes him hard to rely on, but he's not as bad as Greg Little or Limas Sweed, who had brick hands. Maybe he can get it fixed, like Brandon Marshall, who was terrible with drops early in his career before becoming pretty reliable. Perriman doesn't play like someone with 4.2 speed (I would take Wallace to win a foot race in pads), but he's still a deep threat for sure. I do question his ability to get separation, however (why has he struggled with that so far?) I like that he has a little more ability to fight for a jump ball, unlike Torrey (whom I just saw do nothing to break-up an INT for Gabbert a week ago lol). And I think Perriman answered some questions I had about learning a full playbook. He isn't just out there running post routes, screens, and slants (like, say, Cordarelle Patterson, who is too dumb to learn a playbook), which is a good sign.

So, although I don't think he'll ever live up to first-round hype, I think he can be a good receiver who makes big plays and drops occasional balls. I'd like to see them draft another WR next year, someone who can get separation reliably, make tough catches, and get YAC like Steve Smith, since that's the type of player who would compliment Perriman's unreliable big-play potential the best. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Maryland

[sflegend89]

5 hours ago, Davesta said:

If he was a mid round pick, I wouldn't care as much. But spending a 1st on a WR who's known for the drops? And what does he do finally in live games? Of course, drops balls. 

Demaryius Thomas had the highest drop rate in the NFL last year. I can live with drops if the overall production is there. 

Only time will tell, as others have pointed out we knew he was a high upside project when we drafted him. After a year long layoff and missing yet another camp I'm not sure what people expected. He's certainly flashed what he's capable of but is still just learning tne NFL game so the volume and polish just isn't there yet. Trestman's insufferable play calling certainly didn't help his cause either. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by sflegend89

[Cville-Raven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

By the way.. Just take a good look at perriman when he's lined up at the bottom of the screen..  He looks like a dream receiver. He made Norman look so little while lined up And was able to get behind him often when it was schemed to him deep. And then the ball skills at the end were incredible, just another 2 inches to the inside and he wins the game on the best catch of the season.

Yeah exactly. When have we ever had a guy who can line up with the likes of Norman and make that type of catch in the back of the endzone. We really need to use this man deep more often.  

[reed20]

Just now, Cville-Raven said:

Yeah exactly. When have we ever had a guy who can line up with the likes of Norman and make that type of catch in the back of the endzone. We really need to use this man deep more often.  

It doesn't mean anything if he can't catch it in bounds or drops some of those deep balls.

[Jacquouille]

Btw, he kinda had to face Norman, Gilmore and Haden. Can't ask a first year player that is coming off a whole year (not season, year) of injuries to put up 500yds when matched up with those.

[Cville-Raven]

12 minutes ago, reed20 said:

It doesn't mean anything if he can't catch it in bounds or drops some of those deep balls.

Well considering we're talking about an unfinished product and he's flashing that type of ability it does mean something. 

[Maryland]

22 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Demaryius Thomas had the highest drop rate in the NFL last year. I can live with drops if the overall production is there. 

Only time will tell, as others have pointed out we knew he was a high upside project when we drafted him. After a year long layoff and missing yet another camp I'm not sure what people expected. He's certainly flashed what he's capable of but is still just learning tne NFL game so the volume and polish just isn't there yet. Trestman's insufferable play calling certainly didn't help his cause either. 

DT is a pretty good comparison actually. If he turns out that good, it'd be a success. 

[reed20]

11 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Well considering we're talking about an unfinished product and he's flashing that type of ability it does mean something. 

He was drafted the same year as Cooper and Cooper has done nothing but light up secondaries while Perriman has been as irrelevant as possible. See what happened to our offense when SSS went out? Some of those sacks on flacco were coverage sacks, too.

[Jacquouille]

5 minutes ago, reed20 said:

He was drafted the same year as Cooper and Cooper has done nothing but light up secondaries while Perriman has been as irrelevant as possible. See what happened to our offense when SSS went out? Some of those sacks on flacco were coverage sacks, too.

So you're comparing the 4th overall pick with the 26th?

How should I start?

[Cville-Raven]

34 minutes ago, reed20 said:

He was drafted the same year as Cooper and Cooper has done nothing but light up secondaries while Perriman has been as irrelevant as possible. See what happened to our offense when SSS went out? Some of those sacks on flacco were coverage sacks, too.

So you're comparing him to a top 5 pick who was about as refined of a receiver as possible coming out of college playing in an offense that actually works?Seems legit. Also, "irrelevant as possible" is pretty hyperbolic. Like I get it you want more from him but get out of here with that.  

Edited October 11, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[RaineV1]

Perriman is about where I expected him to be at this point. Showing the occasional flash while still making rookie mistakes. It'll take a bit of time for him to get chemistry with Flacco and to learn the ins and outs of our offense. Also, I think the new OC will be able to use him a bit better.