Tracking Flacco's Progress

[flynismo]

36 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

we've been a below .500 team the moment we made joe '' the guy''/

 

nuff said

"nuff said" for an average or simple mind. Anybody with an ounce of common sense looks past token observations like that.

why did we fire Trestman rather than bench Flacco? Please don't give me a bogus excuse like "Flacco makes too much to bench him". Give me a real answer.

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[Tank 92]

54 minutes ago, flynismo said:

 

why did we fire Trestman rather than bench Flacco? Please don't give me a bogus excuse like "Flacco makes too much to bench him". Give me a real answer.

Unrelated to the reason for your post........To be frank, as pathetic as the play calling was, if Perriman catches the ball he dropped and also does a simple toe tap at the end of the game Marc probably still has a job today. And CJ.........oh my..........

edit;  Maybe a blessing in disguise.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Tank 92

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Unrelated to the reason for your post........To be frank, as pathetic as the play calling was, if Perriman catches the ball he dropped and also does a simple toe tap at the end of the game Marc probably still has a job today. And CJ.........oh my..........

edit;  Maybe a blessing in disguise.

Very true, we still were in position to win. But...is that a defense of Trestman, or is it a reflection of just how bad the Skins are?

And...that comment of mine just got a neg. I wonder who that would have been lmao!

[Tank 92]

Just now, flynismo said:

Very true, we still were in position to win. But...is that a defense of Trestman, or is it a reflection of just how bad the Skins are?

And...that comment of mine just got a neg. I wonder who that would have been lmao!

Definitely not a defense for Trestman.......I'm thinking we win by two scores with proper player execution. Maybe 3 to 5 scores if we stay wide open and keep the pedal down start to finish. I'm mean really....we're not playing soccer here where one score often wins a game.  lol

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Definitely not a defense for Trestman.......I'm thinking we win by two scores with proper player execution. Maybe 3 to 5 scores if we stay wide open and keep the pedal down start to finish. I'm mean really....we're not playing soccer here where one score often wins a game.  lol

Oh abso-frackin-lootly. We execute, and remove a couple dumb coaching mistakes, this game is a blowout. Which is absolutely incredible, given how we were playing against the Redskins AND Trestman.

Truly, our future must be bright if we are playing this poorly and still have a winning record. If and when we play to our potential...lights out

[OUravensfan]

45 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Unrelated to the reason for your post........To be frank, as pathetic as the play calling was, if Perriman catches the ball he dropped and also does a simple toe tap at the end of the game Marc probably still has a job today. And CJ.........oh my..........

edit;  Maybe a blessing in disguise.

This is exactly how I feel

[OUravensfan]

27 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Oh abso-frackin-lootly. We execute, and remove a couple dumb coaching mistakes, this game is a blowout. Which is absolutely incredible, given how we were playing against the Redskins AND Trestman.

Truly, our future must be bright if we are playing this poorly and still have a winning record. If and when we play to our potential...lights out

That game was a straight gift for the Redskins. Unreal how we didn't blow them out, someone needed to be fired after that game 

[callahan09]

The announcers specifically mentioned multiple times throughout the game that Flacco had "no room for error" on his throws because the receivers were constantly being held stride-for-stride down the field by the defenders covering them.  Flacco made a *lot* of extremely accurate, pin-point, tight window throws yesterday.  Out of 46 passes, only 16 of them were incomplete.  Of those, fully half of them (that's 8 for those counting, and I did, rewatching the entire game twice and keeping notes about every single incompletion) were catchable and should have been caught.  There were 3 passes that were inaccurate with no real excuse, none of them in key situations or the reason for a stalled drive.  The rest were essentially throwaways, more a symptom of pressure and tight coverage and throwing the ball to both avoid a sack and ensure it's not an interception, or he got hit while throwing which disrupted the throw.  Joe had a really quick release all day, he also exhibited a lot of really good pocket awareness.  He escaped some times, he threw on the run sometimes, and he threw the ball away to avoid the sack, many times in 2.5 seconds or less from the snap.  Multiple of the dropped passes were in utterly key situations that would have been game-changing, and were actually great plays by Joe, but only hurt his stat sheet and the outcome of the game because his receiver didn't uphold their end of the bargain and come down with the football.

Edited October 10, 2016 by callahan09

[Tank 92]

5 minutes ago, callahan09 said:

The announcers specifically mentioned multiple times throughout the game that Flacco had "no room for error" on his throws because the receivers were constantly being held stride-for-stride down the field by the defenders covering them.  Flacco made a *lot* of extremely accurate, pin-point, tight window throws yesterday.  Out of 46 passes, only 16 of them were incomplete.  Of those, fully half of them (that's 8 for those counting, and I did, rewatching the entire game twice and keeping notes about every single incompletion) were catchable and should have been caught.  There were 3 passes that were inaccurate with no real excuse, none of them in key situations or the reason for a stalled drive.  The rest were essentially throwaways, more a symptom of pressure and tight coverage and throwing the ball to both avoid a sack and ensure it's not an interception, or he got hit while throwing which disrupted the throw.  Joe had a really quick release all day, he also exhibited a lot of really good pocket awareness.  He escaped some times, he threw on the run sometimes, and he threw the ball away to avoid the sack, many times in 2.5 seconds or less from the snap.  Multiple of the dropped passes were in utterly key situations that would have been game-changing, and were actually great plays by Joe, but only hurt his stat sheet and the outcome of the game because his receiver didn't uphold their end of the bargain and come down with the football.

............but the Ravens pay him a gazillion dollars, he should have done more!

[Sami84]

4 hours ago, flynismo said:

"nuff said" for an average or simple mind. Anybody with an ounce of common sense looks past token observations like that.

why did we fire Trestman rather than bench Flacco? Please don't give me a bogus excuse like "Flacco makes too much to bench him". Give me a real answer.

 

urrr you really think this FO is going to bench a 120 mil qb and admit they messed up?

 

no chance

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

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I'm on the floor... Laughing.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

urrr you really think this FO is going to bench a 120 mil qb and admit they messed up?

 

no chance

Exactly! When has a highly paid player EVER been benched? Never! Oh wait...

Like I said, give me a real answer, not a bogus cop out like that.

[Sami84]

Just now, flynismo said:

Exactly! When has a highly paid player EVER been benched? Never! Oh wait...

Like I said, give me a real answer, not a bogus cop out like that.

 

its not a cop out. they have no choice. I personally wouldnt have given flacco that contract and used the money to build a legit strong team with better drafting too. they made their mess..now they have to deal with it.

[flynismo]

24 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm on the floor... Laughing.

[flynismo]

28 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

its not a cop out. they have no choice. I personally wouldnt have given flacco that contract and used the money to build a legit strong team with better drafting too. they made their mess..now they have to deal with it.

Do I need to assist you with the understanding of words like I am helping my good friend Ravensconbeast? Because when you say "they have no choice", when in fact they have multitudes of choices available, it indicates to me that you do not understand what you are saying.

Allow me to ask you a question that is relevant. How much does Colin Kaepernick make? Did SFO have a choice in whether or not to bench him?

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[Tank 92]

19 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

After close to a decade we are still talking about 'progress' with Joe.   

How do you carry a +120mill contract that can't be better than bottom of the worst '5' QB in the league?  

It was a mistake to give him the fat contract after SB, and it was a mistake to give him the #2 fat contract.   

Send him out of Ravens organization.  We are perfectly fine grooming a QB with time.  

Flacco is what he is, and he certaintly is hurting this team b/c he isn't holding his weight with the cap we got to build this team.

Here, read this.

2 hours ago, callahan09 said:

The announcers specifically mentioned multiple times throughout the game that Flacco had "no room for error" on his throws because the receivers were constantly being held stride-for-stride down the field by the defenders covering them.  Flacco made a *lot* of extremely accurate, pin-point, tight window throws yesterday.  Out of 46 passes, only 16 of them were incomplete.  Of those, fully half of them (that's 8 for those counting, and I did, rewatching the entire game twice and keeping notes about every single incompletion) were catchable and should have been caught.  There were 3 passes that were inaccurate with no real excuse, none of them in key situations or the reason for a stalled drive.  The rest were essentially throwaways, more a symptom of pressure and tight coverage and throwing the ball to both avoid a sack and ensure it's not an interception, or he got hit while throwing which disrupted the throw.  Joe had a really quick release all day, he also exhibited a lot of really good pocket awareness.  He escaped some times, he threw on the run sometimes, and he threw the ball away to avoid the sack, many times in 2.5 seconds or less from the snap.  Multiple of the dropped passes were in utterly key situations that would have been game-changing, and were actually great plays by Joe, but only hurt his stat sheet and the outcome of the game because his receiver didn't uphold their end of the bargain and come down with the football.

 

[Sami84]

50 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Do I need to assist you with the understanding of words like I am helping my good friend Ravensconbeast? Because when you say "they have no choice", when in fact they have multitudes of choices available, it indicates to me that you do not understand what you are saying.

Allow me to ask you a question that is relevant. How much does Colin Kaepernick make? Did SFO have a choice in whether or not to bench him?

 

Our FO love joe ..

 

I don't...I'd bench him and trade him for a bucketload of picks and rebuild. Sadly that was before the contract extension. i still wouldnt be opposed to giving mallet a shot if flacco doesnt improve

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

Our FO love joe ..

 

I don't...I'd bench him and trade him for a bucketload of picks and rebuild. Sadly that was before the contract extension. i still wouldnt be opposed to giving mallet a shot if flacco doesnt improve

Okay, fair enough, you would bench Joe. You're entitled to that opinion.

Other than loving Joe, which they do, why would they not bench him if Joe is as bad as you think he is? It's not because of the money, because highly paid players get benched and/or released all the time if they do not perform. It isn't because we're afraid of change, even mid-season, as we saw this morning. It isn't because we have no other options, because we do have an experienced backup who has occasionally shown potential. 

So, if it isn't the money, afraid of change or lack of options, why would we possibly still want to let Joe continue to be our starter?

[OUravensfan]

5 hours ago, callahan09 said:

The announcers specifically mentioned multiple times throughout the game that Flacco had "no room for error" on his throws because the receivers were constantly being held stride-for-stride down the field by the defenders covering them.  Flacco made a *lot* of extremely accurate, pin-point, tight window throws yesterday.  Out of 46 passes, only 16 of them were incomplete.  Of those, fully half of them (that's 8 for those counting, and I did, rewatching the entire game twice and keeping notes about every single incompletion) were catchable and should have been caught.  There were 3 passes that were inaccurate with no real excuse, none of them in key situations or the reason for a stalled drive.  The rest were essentially throwaways, more a symptom of pressure and tight coverage and throwing the ball to both avoid a sack and ensure it's not an interception, or he got hit while throwing which disrupted the throw.  Joe had a really quick release all day, he also exhibited a lot of really good pocket awareness.  He escaped some times, he threw on the run sometimes, and he threw the ball away to avoid the sack, many times in 2.5 seconds or less from the snap.  Multiple of the dropped passes were in utterly key situations that would have been game-changing, and were actually great plays by Joe, but only hurt his stat sheet and the outcome of the game because his receiver didn't uphold their end of the bargain and come down with the football.

Kind of sounds like his whole career basically. 

Again, for the guy calling for Mallet, unless he has a more favorable spin rate on his spirals to make Wallace and Perriman catch the ball and get their feet in bounds better, I don't see what would change. I can definitely see stuff being worse however. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Wisdom]

Progress?  After 9 years in the league and two massive contracts and we're still talking about his progression.  Wow! Unbelievable.  It must be nice to be a inept favorite son of the Baltimore Ravens for doing little too nothing.

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

Progress?  After 9 years in the league and two massive contracts and we're still talking about his progression.  Wow! Unbelievable.  It must be nice to be a inept favorite son of the Baltimore Ravens for doing little too nothing.

Tom Brady put up his best stats from 2008 on, his eighth year in the league...

[flynismo]

22 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

It must be nice to be a inept favorite son of the Baltimore Ravens for doing little too nothing.

I wouldn't be so harsh on yourself man, it'll get better

[PurpleCity5]

I suspect we'll see much more audibles from Joe. He should have much more freedom. I don't know if Trestman is the type of guy who doesn't want his QB to audible but Cameron was. I really don't think Joe wanted to run it on 3 and 9 on the Redskins 20 yard line. 

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Tom Brady put up his best stats from 2008 on, his eighth year in the league...

Brady didn't throw 30+ TD's until 2007 believe it or not. He was 30 years old. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

Hope to see more multi TD passes from Joe. No more 1 TD pass games. I want him to consistently hit 2 and more. Would be great if he can string in 3 TD pass games in a row. Joe is a great QB and is able to do stuff like that. I want a balanced offense but there's nothing wrong with a strong red-zone pass game. 

[kennethyamini1989]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Tom Brady put up his best stats from 2008 on, his eighth year in the league...

he also had 3 superbowls by that time...and was averaging 3500-4k yards pre pass happy/friendly league....please do not compare Joe Flacco to Tom Brady arguably the best QB in NFL history...

Edited October 11, 2016 by kennethyamini1989

[kennethyamini1989]

14 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Brady didn't throw 30+ TD's until 2007 believe it or not. He was 30 years old. 

he threw 50 at the age of 29...

[Tru11]

brady has been top 10 in pretty much every major passing category since age 25 which was his 2nd season as a starter.
top 5 in quite a few over the years

he lead the league in TDs at the age of 25.
threw for most yards at age 28.

comparing flacco to brady is hilarious at best.
 

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Tru11

[PurpleCity5]

35 minutes ago, kennethyamini1989 said:

he threw 50 at the age of 29...

My bad, I guess I got it wrong. Tru11 is also right. Passing TDs is much different today than it was years ago. Especially considering that QBs at that period weren't pushing 40 TD passes. There is no comparison when it comes to Joe and Tom. Not comparing the two directly just stating that its never too late to break records. A much better guy to bring up would be Steve Young 

[PurpleCity5]

39 minutes ago, kennethyamini1989 said:

he also had 3 superbowls by that time...and was averaging 3500-4k yards pre pass happy/friendly league....please do not compare Joe Flacco to Tom Brady arguably the best QB in NFL history...

He's not comparing the two. He's just bringing up the relevance of not dumping on a guy who has a lot of years left on him. There's still plenty of great football ahead for Joe. Even if you look at Big Ben, he only passed 30+ once before 2014 NFL season, side-by-side his numbers aren't really that great compared to Joe's in their first 9 seasons.