Tracking Flacco's Progress

[OUravensfan]

Flacco made the throws that should of won this game, as pathetic as the offense is anyway, he still made a beautiful throw to Perriman, not a bad throw to Wallace.

 

 

[Virginia 55]

Flacco simply is no longer our guy.  Get off the bandwagon.  We cant excel with his inflated contract for mediocre gameplay. 

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco simply is no longer our guy.  Get off the bandwagon.  We cant excel with his inflated contract for mediocre gameplay. 

LOL how great it is to be young and naive again... 

 

[OUravensfan]

Again, catches are made and the theme is so drastically different. His YPC is drastically better and most importantly, we win. 

[sflegend89]

I think I'm done holding out hope that Flacco will become a dominant QB like a Brady or Big Ben (Albeit they both have much better coaching and help). But I'm still thankful to have him and he's still an upper mid tier QB capable of winning a SB with the right players around him. More than most teams can say about their QB.

So far this season the confidence just isn't there, the precision just isn't there, the pocket awareness and ability to extend plays has gone M.I.A.

The turnover at OC has really hurt Joe's progress as well, no continuity in scheme or coaching for him these last 8 years is a travesty. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by sflegend89

[Ravenseconbeast]

7 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

I think I'm done holding out hope that Flacco will become a dominant QB like a Brady or Big Ben (Albeit they both have much better coaching and help). But I'm still thankful to have him and he's still an upper mid tier QB capable of winning a SB with the right players around him. More than most teams can say about their QB.

So far this season the confidence just isn't there, the precision just isn't there, the pocket awareness and ability to extend plays has gone M.I.A.

The turnover at OC has really hurt Joe's progress as well, no continuity in scheme or coaching for him these last 8 years is a travesty. 

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After close to a decade we are still talking about 'progress' with Joe.   

How do you carry a +120mill contract that can't be better than bottom of the worst '5' QB in the league?  

It was a mistake to give him the fat contract after SB, and it was a mistake to give him the #2 fat contract.   

Send him out of Ravens organization.  We are perfectly fine grooming a QB with time.  

Flacco is what he is, and he certaintly is hurting this team b/c he isn't holding his weight with the cap we got to build this team.

[sflegend89]

6 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

After close to a decade we are still talking about 'progress' with Joe.   

How do you carry a +120mill contract that can't be better than bottom of the worst '5' QB in the league?  

It was a mistake to give him the fat contract after SB, and it was a mistake to give him the #2 fat contract.   

Send him out of Ravens organization.  We are perfectly fine grooming a QB with time.  

Flacco is what he is, and he certaintly is hurting this team b/c he isn't holding his weight with the cap we got to build this team.

At the time it was the right move. Look at the deals guys like Tannehill got, any competent QB is getting a fat contract in today's market. Let alone one coming off a prolific postseason and SB MVP.

I'm not happy with Joe's performance since the contract either but that's not on Ozzie/Eric/Hortiz. They made the right move with tbe cards they were dealt. Blame Flacco and the coaching for dropping the ball and underperforming.

[rmcjacket23]

17 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

After close to a decade we are still talking about 'progress' with Joe.   

How do you carry a +120mill contract that can't be better than bottom of the worst '5' QB in the league?  

It was a mistake to give him the fat contract after SB, and it was a mistake to give him the #2 fat contract.   

Send him out of Ravens organization.  We are perfectly fine grooming a QB with time.  

Flacco is what he is, and he certaintly is hurting this team b/c he isn't holding his weight with the cap we got to build this team.

LOL you really don't see what's going on around the league do ya?

SMH. Some of you better wise up and fast. Its like you don't even realize that there's numerous teams who have been utilizing the "we are perfectly fine grooming a QB with time" theory for like over 10 years. 

Maybe you're content with that (which you're not, because you're an over-reactor on a weekly basis anyway), but I'm certainly not, and neither is the FO, coaching staff, or anybody who actually watches football and likes watching good teams play.

Like I've said before, at some point, you've got to look at yourself in the mirror and ask what kind of fan you want to be.

For some fans on here, I think its officially gut check time.

[Virginia 55]

On 10/6/2016 at 7:33 PM, Rav'n Maniac said:

Sorry friend, but you can't use just yards per attempt to judge a QB's effectiveness. It doesn't take into consideration pressures, dropped passes, spikes to kill plays or throw away's. If that's what you want to use though, lets take it a little further. Doing a little research, I found these.

Career Y/A

Peyton Manning    7.7

Tom Brady             7.4

Joe Montana         7.5

Brett Favre            7.1

Joe Flacco             6.9

That's 2 Hall of Famers, 2 Future Hall of Famers and 1 "slightly below average / game manager".

 

Whats amazing is you are comparing old school QB's to an entirely different league.  The surprising part of your research is they are still beating him and he plays in a passing league. Whole different set of rules for receivers and QB's.

But since you like stats here is a fun one for you. How about, after the Ravens bout with the Redskins there is only four people that have completed or thrown a pass that have a lower average per play. 

JOE FLACCO 5.9

Blaine Gabbert    5.9

Terrelle Pryor  5.0

Drew Stanton  4.0

Kellen Clemens  0.0

and our very own Justin tucker 0.0

Now i don't have to tell you that on average yards per play, every starter just about in the league is beating every hall of famer on your list. With Brady beating himself.  

I hope this helps. 

[Doc]

Who thinks it is Nice to hear how Joe is starting to be more vocal & stepping up as a "LEADER"

[kassaiscool]

There is a reason this organization wanted Matt Ryan instead of Joe. On draft day the Ravens were trying to move up and get him. If you actually look throughout Joes career hes been a pretty average Qb. Especially during the regular season. The highlight of his career is that he got hot during the playoffs and won a super bowl, coincidentally his contract year and cashed in. He hasn't even passed for 4,000 which is pathetic considering the contract he got.

Edited October 10, 2016 by kassaiscool

[Sami84]

On 10/3/2016 at 8:27 PM, The Mom Gene said:

1 minute ago, kassaiscool said:

There is a reason this organization wanted Matt Ryan instead of Joe. On draft day the Ravens were trying to move up and get him. If you actually look throughout Joes career hes been a pretty average Qb. Especially during the regular season. The highlight of his career is that he got hot during the playoffs and won a super bowl, coincidentally his contract year and cashed in. He hasn't even passed for 4,000 which is pathetic considering the contract he got.

 

 

 

 

 

 

he's been pretty average in all facets of rating systems and below average. outside of 2010 and 2014 where he would have as a report card a B grade he's been C or below. That SB run was great for him and us in that one moment but overall it's set us back. It's too late now though..until he is no longer a raven we'll never be able to sign players that are in their prime and could help us.

[Tank 92]

Not going to waste time replying to the mindless rants, but just want to leave one thing here. If you watched the Ravens lose the past two weeks and honestly think in any way, shape or form that Joe Flacco's performance(or lack there of) was responsible for those losses then you know as much about football as my cat. 

[flynismo]

This question is 8 years late...nothing new

[Sami84]

5 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Not going to waste time replying to the mindless rants, but just want to leave one thing here. If you watched the Ravens lose the past two weeks and honestly think in any way, shape or form that Joe Flacco's performance(or lack there of) was responsible for those losses then you know as much about football as my cat. 

 

i wouldnt say its just him BUT he hasn't done enough when hes had chances. In games that are decided as close as ours he needs to make plays. Sure our WR's havent helped but theres 4 full quarters. 

[Doc]

I think back to "96" and Vinny plus in between, Joe is better than Banks, Mitchell ,Redman ,Elvis , Boller & McNair ( just to name a few) Only he and Trent Dilfer have Won a Super Bowl!

[Ravenseconbeast]

12 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

At the time it was the right move. Look at the deals guys like Tannehill got, any competent QB is getting a fat contract in today's market. Let alone one coming off a prolific postseason and SB MVP.

I'm not happy with Joe's performance since the contract either but that's not on Ozzie/Eric/Hortiz. They made the right move with tbe cards they were dealt. Blame Flacco and the coaching for dropping the ball and underperforming.

Why do we have to always compare ourselves to the lowest denominator and the biggest bottom feeders when it comes to quarterback? 

We are not like Dolphins or Browns organization.   We have a owner,coaches, and organization that is more than ready to groom a QB and give him plenty of time to do so.   If we draft a QB,  we don't dump them after a year.   We will be patient just like we have with Joe.   

 

Joe is nearly a decade  with this organization.   He is not worth that money.   

We got the team, now we need to utilize our cap and improve things on offense. 

[Doc]

Joe Flacco is Baltimore's type of QB , he is "Blue Collar" Personally I like who Joe is becoming , maybe not ELITE but , Good Enough!

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Why do we have to always compare ourselves to the lowest denominator and the biggest bottom feeders when it comes to quarterback?

We don't. When we do that, it's always in reference to the "overpaid" remarks. When people like Alex Smith are making that kind of money, it blows that argument to smithereens, pisses on it and then eats and sharts it back out again.

Which of course doesn't prevent the anti-Flacco bottom feeders from recycling that tired nonsense anyway

[Ravenseconbeast]

Just now, flynismo said:

We don't. When we do that, it's always in reference to the "overpaid" remarks. When people like Alex Smith are making that kind of money, it blows that argument to smithereens, pisses on it and then eats and sharts it back out again.

Which of course doesn't prevent the anti-Flacco bottom feeders from recycling that tired nonsense anyway

Again, you are bringing up names like Alex Smith. 

It's always QBs that's soon to be outted like junk QBs like Alex,  Ryan Tannenhill, any Browns QB, or Kyle Boller.  

[Sami84]

15 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Why do we have to always compare ourselves to the lowest denominator and the biggest bottom feeders when it comes to quarterback? 

We are not like Dolphins or Browns organization.   We have a owner,coaches, and organization that is more than ready to groom a QB and give him plenty of time to do so.   If we draft a QB,  we don't dump them after a year.   We will be patient just like we have with Joe.   

 

Joe is nearly a decade  with this organization.   He is not worth that money.   

We got the team, now we need to utilize our cap and improve things on offense. 

 

yup. It was the FO who messed up with boller ( or bb more specifcally) . Its time to build a dominant O line so even a guy like r.mallet can prosper.

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Its time to build a dominant O line so even a guy like r.mallet can prosper.

In fairness, I think the FO has put in due diligence trying to build a quality OL. They've invested a lot in terms of money and draft picks over the years...and it paid off handsomely the last two years. This year...well, injuries and age is catching up to us at different spots on the line.

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, flynismo said:

In fairness, I think the FO has put in due diligence trying to build a quality OL. They've invested a lot in terms of money and draft picks over the years...and it paid off handsomely the last two years. This year...well, injuries and age is catching up to us at different spots on the line.

 

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Matt Paradis should be the FA we target. Tha and  a top Gaurd in the draft.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Sami84

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

Matt Paradis should be the FA we target. That a top Gaurd in the draft.

Paradis? I'm down with that. In fact, I'd say that's a damn good idea, regardless of what it costs, within reason of course. The center position has been killing this offense for years now.

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Paradis? I'm down with that. In fact, I'd say that's a damn good idea, regardless of what it costs, within reason of course. The center position has been killing this offense for years now.

 

Yup so next year

Stanley, LG draft, Paradis, Yanda, Lewis

[berad]

1 hour ago, kassaiscool said:

There is a reason this organization wanted Matt Ryan instead of Joe. On draft day the Ravens were trying to move up and get him. If you actually look throughout Joes career hes been a pretty average Qb. Especially during the regular season. The highlight of his career is that he got hot during the playoffs and won a super bowl, coincidentally his contract year and cashed in. He hasn't even passed for 4,000 which is pathetic considering the contract he got.

They moved up and got Arthur Brown, too.

That was 8 years ago... what has happened since then? The playoff run, record-setting statistics, and Super Bowl MVP would be the highlight of anyone's career. The Ravens (and Flacco) are very plainly not about statistical achievements and Joe sat during games/seasons where he could have put up some garbage time yards and hit those benchmarks.

His most recent extension makes it very clear what the organization thinks of him and assures he'll be here a long time - health assumed. Really, do you think Ozzie and company are second-guessing picking Joe Flacco? I'll leave you with this quote.

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“On his shoulders stands the success of this organization over the last eight years,” General Manager Ozzie Newsome said after Flacco signed his new contract in March. “There’s not many opportunities that you can draft a quarterback and for him to have the success that he, along with John [Harbaugh], have had over the first eight years of their careers. In spending time with numerous GMs over the last week over at the combine, they all dread the day when they don’t have a quarterback, and what you do to have to go and get one. We’re fortunate to have one. In my mind, having Joe for the next six years, I think his best football is still ahead of him.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-628-5-Best--Worst-QB-Contracts--Joe-Flacco-Makes-One-List/ea1405e3-cc3d-4de1-a00e-cee6b458d3bd

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

They moved up and got Arthur Brown, too.

That was 8 years ago... what has happened since then? The playoff run, record-setting statistics, and Super Bowl MVP would be the highlight of anyone's career. The Ravens (and Flacco) are very plainly not about statistical achievements and Joe sat during games/seasons where he could have put up some garbage time yards and hit those benchmarks.

His most recent extension makes it very clear what the organization thinks of him and assures he'll be here a long time - health assumed. Really, do you think Ozzie and company are second-guessing picking Joe Flacco? I'll leave you with this quote.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-628-5-Best--Worst-QB-Contracts--Joe-Flacco-Makes-One-List/ea1405e3-cc3d-4de1-a00e-cee6b458d3bd

 

we've been a below .500 team the moment we made joe '' the guy''/

 

nuff said

[berad]

Just now, Sami84 said:

we've been a below .500 team the moment we made joe '' the guy''/

 

nuff said

So fire Ozzie? I just laid out a quote from him that says we're riding with Joe for at least the next six seasons.

Fire Harbaugh? He's said similar things about Joe.

No, 'unfortunately', as long as the FO is in place and Bisciotti owns the team, I think Joe Flacco is safe. Shouldn't really have to defend a championship QB... you'd think he was Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, or some scrub...

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Not going to waste time replying to the mindless rants, but just want to leave one thing here. If you watched the Ravens lose the past two weeks and honestly think in any way, shape or form that Joe Flacco's performance(or lack there of) was responsible for those losses then you know as much about football as my cat. 

It's amazing how you can get mad at the QB for perfect passes that aren't caught when those EXACT passes would make us 5-0. It's simply amazing 

[kpfeiffe]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Joe Flacco is Baltimore's type of QB , he is "Blue Collar" Personally I like who Joe is becoming , maybe not ELITE but , Good Enough!

Oh that's cute.