Tracking Flacco's Progress

[January J]

22 hours ago, marylandcrab said:

Hi there... Super-new here so I hope you don't mind if I jump right in!

My feeling is Joe by this point knew his line would fail him and give him zero time to set and read the field. He knew he was going to throw to Aiken before the ball was even snapped. I personally think he should've gone to Steve, yes, because Steve was single-covered and had 111 yards & 1 TD on 8 catches by that point (and Aiken was ICE COLD and having a terrible game). But to Flacco's credit he delivered a strike to Aiken regardless. Aiken just dropped it and failed Flacco there.

Check out screenshot below... Flacco put the ball into Aiken's chest while throwing to his right of the MLB, behind the close CB, in front of the far CB, and to his left of the S. That was an insanely talented throw under pressure... earlier in this thread OP was saying Flacco doesn't thread the needle anymore, I think this shows he is starting to do so again.

Well on 4th down he also knew he absolutely couldnt take a sack and had to get the ball out regardless. That's a really good screenshot. Going off of how it looks like Aiken surely would've made the catch and seemed to find a hole,unfortunately it closed quickly. I'd like to see a shot of Steve on this play to see how open he was like many say he was.

 

Also looks like if he scrambled to his left to buy some time then juice could have went out right and had some open field to work with. Of course this his hindsight and  he would've been throwing across his body likely with a defender on his tail. Man I hate dealing with "what ifs"

Edited October 8, 2016 by January J

[Tank 92]

23 hours ago, marylandcrab said:

Hi there... Super-new here so I hope you don't mind if I jump right in!

My feeling is Joe by this point knew his line would fail him and give him zero time to set and read the field. He knew he was going to throw to Aiken before the ball was even snapped. I personally think he should've gone to Steve, yes, because Steve was single-covered and had 111 yards & 1 TD on 8 catches by that point (and Aiken was ICE COLD and having a terrible game). But to Flacco's credit he delivered a strike to Aiken regardless. Aiken just dropped it and failed Flacco there.

Check out screenshot below... Flacco put the ball into Aiken's chest while throwing to his right of the MLB, behind the close CB, in front of the far CB, and to his left of the S. That was an insanely talented throw under pressure... earlier in this thread OP was saying Flacco doesn't thread the needle anymore, I think this shows he is starting to do so again.

Guessing that free runner from the right kinda hurried things along. Just an all around bad day for pass protection.

[Willbacker]

48 minutes ago, January J said:

Well on 4th down he also knew he absolutely couldnt take a sack and had to get the ball out regardless. That's a really good screenshot. Going off of how it looks like Aiken surely would've made the catch and seemed to find a hole,unfortunately it closed quickly. I'd like to see a shot of Steve on this play to see how open he was like many say he was.

 

Also looks like if he scrambled to his left to buy some time then juice could have went out right and had some open field to work with. Of course this his hindsight and  he would've been throwing across his body likely with a defender on his tail. Man I hate dealing with "what ifs"

Steve ran a 12 yd hook on the left side of the field against single man coverage. If the timing was good chances are it would have been complete. He also would have got out of bounds if he chose to do so.

[January J]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Steve ran a 12 yd hook on the left side of the field against single man coverage. If the timing was good chances are it would have been complete. He also would have got out of bounds if he chose to do so.

Figures. Knowing steve he probably couldve knocked his man down and ran up the sideline for the win too. Man I hate looking back at what could've been. Flacco should've thrown to Steve or his safety blanket pitta, knowing they are more sure handed and usually come through in big moments BC they've been there. He shouldn't have been so locked in. That being said it was better to give Aiken a shot then to take a sack. I just really wish we could've gotten those last 3 plays back. I'm still not over taking this L with victory a mere 8 -10 yards away.

Edited October 8, 2016 by January J

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Figures. Knowing steve he probably couldve knocked his man down and ran up the sideline for the win too. Man I hate looking back at what could've been. Flacco should've thrown to Steve or his safety blanket pitta, knowing they are more sure handed and usually come through in big moments BC they've been there. He shouldn't have been so locked in. That being said it was better to give Aiken a shot then to take a sack. I just really wish we could've gotten those last 3 plays back. I'm still not over taking this L with victory a mere 8 -10 yards away.

Pitta stayed in to block for max protection and SSS wasn't as open as people think. The DB, i think it was Sean Smith, was sitting on the sticks and reading Flacco all the way. He would have jumped the throw if SSS was targeted. The only reason SSS looked so wide open is because Smith was reading Flacco's eyes to the inside so there was no reason for him to tightly play SSS. 

Couldn't really see Wallace on the play but from the looks of it he was tightly covered as well. Aiken was his only option and Joe made one of this best throws of the ball. The bottomline is Aiken needed to come up big with a play for his team to win and he didn't. 

Yea those last 4 plays really needs to the tipping point for this offense. There is no way this game should have come to that. The defense was lights out for the most part and if the offense scores early and often the Raiders are blown out of the water. Almost everything that's wrong with this passing game happened on the last 4 plays of the game. Moore drops a pass on 1st down. Flacco gets quick pressure on 2nd down that forces him to force a ball to Perriman instead of waiting on the swallow cross to Wallace. 3rd down Flacco gets sloppy with his mechanics and misses a wide open Pitta and of course on 4th down Aiken bobbles a pass that should have been caught but the offense painted itself into a corner it shouldn't have. 

[Tru11]

19 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Pitta stayed in to block for max protection and SSS wasn't as open as people think. The DB, i think it was Sean Smith, was sitting on the sticks and reading Flacco all the way. He would have jumped the throw if SSS was targeted. The only reason SSS looked so wide open is because Smith was reading Flacco's eyes to the inside so there was no reason for him to tightly play SSS. 

Couldn't really see Wallace on the play but from the looks of it he was tightly covered as well. Aiken was his only option and Joe made one of this best throws of the ball. The bottomline is Aiken needed to come up big with a play for his team to win and he didn't. 

Yea those last 4 plays really needs to the tipping point for this offense. There is no way this game should have come to that. The defense was lights out for the most part and if the offense scores early and often the Raiders are blown out of the water. Almost everything that's wrong with this passing game happened on the last 4 plays of the game. Moore drops a pass on 1st down. Flacco gets quick pressure on 2nd down that forces him to force a ball to Perriman instead of waiting on the swallow cross to Wallace. 3rd down Flacco gets sloppy with his mechanics and misses a wide open Pitta and of course on 4th down Aiken bobbles a pass that should have been caught but the offense painted itself into a corner it shouldn't have. 

anyone who would rather take aiken in triple coverage over SSS in single coverage has a few screws loose in their head IMO....

[Ravenseconbeast]

28 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Pitta stayed in to block for max protection and SSS wasn't as open as people think. The DB, i think it was Sean Smith, was sitting on the sticks and reading Flacco all the way. He would have jumped the throw if SSS was targeted. The only reason SSS looked so wide open is because Smith was reading Flacco's eyes to the inside so there was no reason for him to tightly play SSS. 

Couldn't really see Wallace on the play but from the looks of it he was tightly covered as well. Aiken was his only option and Joe made one of this best throws of the ball. The bottomline is Aiken needed to come up big with a play for his team to win and he didn't. 

Yea those last 4 plays really needs to the tipping point for this offense. There is no way this game should have come to that. The defense was lights out for the most part and if the offense scores early and often the Raiders are blown out of the water. Almost everything that's wrong with this passing game happened on the last 4 plays of the game. Moore drops a pass on 1st down. Flacco gets quick pressure on 2nd down that forces him to force a ball to Perriman instead of waiting on the swallow cross to Wallace. 3rd down Flacco gets sloppy with his mechanics and misses a wide open Pitta and of course on 4th down Aiken bobbles a pass that should have been caught but the offense painted itself into a corner it shouldn't have. 

In other words, Joe Flacco can do no wrong.  

I'm sure come Sunday the stats will be vividly clear how bad Flacco is. Oakland like Redskins are terrible when it comes to getting QB.   Flacco make it very easy for any defense to tee off of him.  Why?  1) Zero pocket awareness

 2) inability to check the field other than eyeing on 1target

 3) Zero ability to build rapport with younger younger receivers(how many times have you seen flacco come up big other than SSS/pitta at pressure time? The whole defense already know where the ball is going come clutch time) 

4) zero ability to read defensive scheme

5) horribly inconsistent throws(A LA the underthrow/overthrow king) 

 yet you would have an excuse why blame should be put on everyone but  Flacco. 

Looking at the stat,  Flacco stands pretty clear he is one of the worst QB in the league right now.  Right there with the rest of the losers @'worst 5'.   

  

Edited October 8, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[harfordravenfan]

Was it wrong of me at that time to think Tucker had a better chance of making a ridiculous 68 yarder than flacco converting a 4th and 10 under constant pressure?

Granted "if" Aiken caught the beautiful pass... It would've done wonders in boosting the confidence of the offense

[January J]

13 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

In other words, Joe Flacco can do no wrong.  

I'm sure come Sunday the stats will be vividly clear how bad Flacco is. Oakland like Redskins are terrible when it comes to getting QB.   Flacco make it very easy for any defense to tee off of him.  Why?  1) Zero pocket awareness

 2) inability to check the field other than eyeing on 1target

 3) Zero ability to build rapport with younger younger receivers(how many times have you seen flacco come up big other than SSS/pitta at pressure time? The whole defense already know where the ball is going come clutch time) 

4) zero ability to read defensive scheme

5) horribly inconsistent throws(A LA the underthrow/overthrow king) 

 yet you would have an excuse why blame should be put on everyone but  Flacco. 

Looking at the stat,  Flacco stands pretty clear he is one of the worst QB in the league right now.  Right there with the rest of the losers @'worst 5'.   

  

So many things wrong with this post but ima just fall back and let the game tommorow speak for itself. Once again Joe always ATLEAST  puts us in position to win OR gives us the lead only for the defense to collapse. Is it always perfect? Far from it . But we are always in the game no matter what - one way or another.

[Ravensfan23]

14 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

anyone who would rather take aiken in triple coverage over SSS in single coverage has a few screws loose in their head IMO....

So if and when that play leads to a game sealing INT, what's the narrative? 

21 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

In other words, Joe Flacco can do no wrong.  

Where exactly did I say Flacco can do no wrong? First of all, I've said that I personally don't think Flacco played a good game and on top of that in the very post you quoted I mentioned Flacco missed a wide open Pitta. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Pitta stayed in to block for max protection and SSS wasn't as open as people think. The DB, i think it was Sean Smith, was sitting on the sticks and reading Flacco all the way. He would have jumped the throw if SSS was targeted. The only reason SSS looked so wide open is because Smith was reading Flacco's eyes to the inside so there was no reason for him to tightly play SSS. 

Couldn't really see Wallace on the play but from the looks of it he was tightly covered as well. Aiken was his only option and Joe made one of this best throws of the ball. The bottomline is Aiken needed to come up big with a play for his team to win and he didn't. 

Yea those last 4 plays really needs to the tipping point for this offense. There is no way this game should have come to that. The defense was lights out for the most part and if the offense scores early and often the Raiders are blown out of the water. Almost everything that's wrong with this passing game happened on the last 4 plays of the game. Moore drops a pass on 1st down. Flacco gets quick pressure on 2nd down that forces him to force a ball to Perriman instead of waiting on the swallow cross to Wallace. 3rd down Flacco gets sloppy with his mechanics and misses a wide open Pitta and of course on 4th down Aiken bobbles a pass that should have been caught but the offense painted itself into a corner it shouldn't have. 

Watching the all 22, I agree that SSS wasn't wide open, but was the most open of the 3. Wallace ran a dig and wasn't open at all. Aiken had his guy right with him the whole route (still should have made the catch).

The marker was directly at the 40. SSS ran a dig and out making his break at the 38 while his defender dropped to the 35 and stood there flat footed facing the center of the field. With 2 - 3 yards between them. The pass should have went to SSS imo.

Not trying to rag on you because it doesn't really matter at this point. I just wanted to state what I saw.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

So if and when that play leads to a game sealing INT, what's the narrative? 

Where exactly did I say Flacco can do no wrong? First of all, I've said that I personally don't think Flacco played a good game and on top of that in the very post you quoted I mentioned Flacco missed a wide open Pitta. 

the odds of an interception are higher when you throw in triple coverage.

the picture clearly shows 4 players in the area of aiken looking back at flacco.

you are sadly mistaken if you believe smith was the only guy with his eyes on the QB.

in the picture you can actually see both safeties reading the QB going towards aiken with 2 others underneath aiken looking at the QB as well.
 

 

 

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Watching the all 22, I agree that SSS wasn't wide open, but was the most open of the 3. Wallace ran a dig and wasn't open at all. Aiken had his guy right with him the whole route (still should have made the catch).

The marker was directly at the 40. SSS ran a dig and out making his break at the 38 while his defender dropped to the 35 and stood there flat footed facing the center of the field. With 2 - 3 yards between them. The pass should have went to SSS imo.

Not trying to rag on you because it doesn't really matter at this point. I just wanted to state what I saw.

Not a big deal at all, talking about the Ravens is a hobby, it doesn't feed my family or help me reach my goals. So it's all good. 

My stance on the defender is that there wasn't a need for him to play SSS route because he was eyeing Flacco the entire time. Flacco's eye's were keyed in on the LB making sure Aiken's route cleared him. The only way to complete that dig route is if the timing was right. I challenge you to rewatch the play and don't just focus on the route, but focus on the entire play. SSS ran his route beyond the 40 which is where the sticks where, however just as he crossed the 40 yardline Flacco is rearing back to throw the ball. Again the defender is watching Flacco the entire time because he's playing the sticks, not the player. So when he sees Flacco begin his throw, while SSS is just crossing the 40, it's no longer a point of the defender driving on the route that SSS ran, which is why he's standing flat footed. He was watching the play at the middle of the field. 

So if the pass indeed went to SSS, the DB which again was playing the sticks, would have simply just jumped the route. When SSS planted his foot in the ground to work his way back to the sticks, the DB is already watching the ball in flight. However if he was watching Flacco looking at SSS, why would he be looking at the middle of the field. Screen grabs and All 22's don't tell the entire story if we don't look at the play in it's entirety. However I would say that i've seen SSS out muscle guys to the ball before, so i'm not saying it wouldn't have been a completed pass, but if that play results in a INT because Flacco forced the ball to SSS, I wonder what people would be saying.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

the odds of an interception are higher when you throw in triple coverage.

the picture clearly shows 4 players in the area of aiken looking back at flacco.

you are sadly mistaken if you believe smith was the only guy with his eyes on the QB.

in the picture you can actually see both safeties reading the QB going towards aiken with 2 others underneath aiken looking at the QB as well.
 

 

 

It's not about Smith being the only guy with his eyes on Flacco. As i mentioned in the post above, you can't take a single still picture or all 22 for that matter and determine what happened during the entire play if you aren't taking into account what happened everywhere. 

You can say it's it's triple coverage or quadruple coverage, it doesn't matter. Yes the picture shows that 4 players are looking at Flacco's eyes clearly. However what it also shows, which you fail to realize is a window that as the saying goes, "A perfect pass will beat a perfect defensive call". Every Elite or so called Elite QB would have attempted that throw and if completed would have left the defense scratching their heads. 

The underneath LB is 10 yards away from where Aiken's route ended up. He's no threat at all. The DB #25 who dropped back in coverage of Aiken actually lost inside positioning and the only way he could have gotten to that pass was to drive through Aiken which is DPI. Go back and re-watch the in game replay from behind the play and you'll see the DB making contact with Aiken, trying to deflect the pass well before the ball arrived. Obviously no call was made and I don't think it should have been, but I point it out because knowing he has to interfere with your WR to make a play is apart of the reason why you are willing to make that throw. 

Now to the two players who Flacco the QB had to beat on that play. LB #91 and S #27. Flacco had to get his throw up over the coverage of 91 and down before the backside Safety #27 got there. He accomplished both task. Yes Aiken would have taken a hit, but as one of the greats to ever do it, Michael Irvin said, there is nothing but pain in the middle of the field. That pain will come whether you catch the ball or not and the only way to make the defense hurt is to catch the ball, make the first down and get up letting the defender know he got to come harder next time. 

That is an elite throw from a guy who is making elite money to make throws just like that. I don't think he had a overall good game, but I have no issue with that play other than the WR not making the catch. 

[Wisdom]

4 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

In other words, Joe Flacco can do no wrong.  

I'm sure come Sunday the stats will be vividly clear how bad Flacco is. Oakland like Redskins are terrible when it comes to getting QB.   Flacco make it very easy for any defense to tee off of him.  Why?  1) Zero pocket awareness

 2) inability to check the field other than eyeing on 1target

 3) Zero ability to build rapport with younger younger receivers(how many times have you seen flacco come up big other than SSS/pitta at pressure time? The whole defense already know where the ball is going come clutch time) 

4) zero ability to read defensive scheme

5) horribly inconsistent throws(A LA the underthrow/overthrow king) 

 yet you would have an excuse why blame should be put on everyone but  Flacco. 

Looking at the stat,  Flacco stands pretty clear he is one of the worst QB in the league right now.  Right there with the rest of the losers @'worst 5'.   

  

You're absolutely on point.   The only thing Flacco does with any consistency is collect a paycheck.  Other than that he is horrible.

[Wisdom]

On 10/6/2016 at 6:17 PM, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has maybe two good seasons in his entire career.  He is actually slightly below average.  He is a game manager, that needs a lot of work on his mid range throws.  His average passes is 6.3 that means he is a glorified check down guy with an occasional deep ball (that he throws pretty well).

If we are honest with ourselves, he cant make players great, because he is not good enough to do it. 

Excellent point.

[Rav'n Maniac]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Not a big deal at all, talking about the Ravens is a hobby, it doesn't feed my family or help me reach my goals. So it's all good. 

My stance on the defender is that there wasn't a need for him to play SSS route because he was eyeing Flacco the entire time. Flacco's eye's were keyed in on the LB making sure Aiken's route cleared him. The only way to complete that dig route is if the timing was right. I challenge you to rewatch the play and don't just focus on the route, but focus on the entire play. SSS ran his route beyond the 40 which is where the sticks where, however just as he crossed the 40 yardline Flacco is rearing back to throw the ball. Again the defender is watching Flacco the entire time because he's playing the sticks, not the player. So when he sees Flacco begin his throw, while SSS is just crossing the 40, it's no longer a point of the defender driving on the route that SSS ran, which is why he's standing flat footed. He was watching the play at the middle of the field. 

So if the pass indeed went to SSS, the DB which again was playing the sticks, would have simply just jumped the route. When SSS planted his foot in the ground to work his way back to the sticks, the DB is already watching the ball in flight. However if he was watching Flacco looking at SSS, why would he be looking at the middle of the field. Screen grabs and All 22's don't tell the entire story if we don't look at the play in it's entirety. However I would say that i've seen SSS out muscle guys to the ball before, so i'm not saying it wouldn't have been a completed pass, but if that play results in a INT because Flacco forced the ball to SSS, I wonder what people would be saying.

I see what you're saying friend. You are right, Flacco released the ball well before SSS made his break. My mistake.

[January J]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's not about Smith being the only guy with his eyes on Flacco. As i mentioned in the post above, you can't take a single still picture or all 22 for that matter and determine what happened during the entire play if you aren't taking into account what happened everywhere. 

You can say it's it's triple coverage or quadruple coverage, it doesn't matter. Yes the picture shows that 4 players are looking at Flacco's eyes clearly. However what it also shows, which you fail to realize is a window that as the saying goes, "A perfect pass will beat a perfect defensive call". Every Elite or so called Elite QB would have attempted that throw and if completed would have left the defense scratching their heads. 

The underneath LB is 10 yards away from where Aiken's route ended up. He's no threat at all. The DB #25 who dropped back in coverage of Aiken actually lost inside positioning and the only way he could have gotten to that pass was to drive through Aiken which is DPI. Go back and re-watch the in game replay from behind the play and you'll see the DB making contact with Aiken, trying to deflect the pass well before the ball arrived. Obviously no call was made and I don't think it should have been, but I point it out because knowing he has to interfere with your WR to make a play is apart of the reason why you are willing to make that throw. 

Now to the two players who Flacco the QB had to beat on that play. LB #91 and S #27. Flacco had to get his throw up over the coverage of 91 and down before the backside Safety #27 got there. He accomplished both task. Yes Aiken would have taken a hit, but as one of the greats to ever do it, Michael Irvin said, there is nothing but pain in the middle of the field. That pain will come whether you catch the ball or not and the only way to make the defense hurt is to catch the ball, make the first down and get up letting the defender know he got to come harder next time. 

That is an elite throw from a guy who is making elite money to make throws just like that. I don't think he had a overall good game, but I have no issue with that play other than the WR not making the catch. 

Couldn't have been said any better. You just painted a perfect picture of that play.

Edited October 9, 2016 by January J

[Ravensfan23]

23 minutes ago, January J said:

Couldn't have been said any better. You just painted a perfect picture of that play.

Yea that's one of those throws that for years has convinced me that Flacco could easily be one of the top QBs in the NFL, problem is he does do things like that consistently enough. Much like many are saying by it being a very tight window, most QBs would even consider attempting that throw and only the truly elite could get it done, either with great anticipation or a rocket arm. 

It sucks because you see no name WRs make that type of play against the Ravens and all across the NFL. Not saying 1 play will make or break him because we've seen both Perriman and Moore drop easier passes, but if Aiken wants to drop that stigma of being a JAG and start being viewed as potentially The Guy once SSS leaves, he has to make plays like that. 

[Tru11]

8 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's not about Smith being the only guy with his eyes on Flacco. As i mentioned in the post above, you can't take a single still picture or all 22 for that matter and determine what happened during the entire play if you aren't taking into account what happened everywhere. 

You can say it's it's triple coverage or quadruple coverage, it doesn't matter. Yes the picture shows that 4 players are looking at Flacco's eyes clearly. However what it also shows, which you fail to realize is a window that as the saying goes, "A perfect pass will beat a perfect defensive call". Every Elite or so called Elite QB would have attempted that throw and if completed would have left the defense scratching their heads. 

The underneath LB is 10 yards away from where Aiken's route ended up. He's no threat at all. The DB #25 who dropped back in coverage of Aiken actually lost inside positioning and the only way he could have gotten to that pass was to drive through Aiken which is DPI. Go back and re-watch the in game replay from behind the play and you'll see the DB making contact with Aiken, trying to deflect the pass well before the ball arrived. Obviously no call was made and I don't think it should have been, but I point it out because knowing he has to interfere with your WR to make a play is apart of the reason why you are willing to make that throw. 

Now to the two players who Flacco the QB had to beat on that play. LB #91 and S #27. Flacco had to get his throw up over the coverage of 91 and down before the backside Safety #27 got there. He accomplished both task. Yes Aiken would have taken a hit, but as one of the greats to ever do it, Michael Irvin said, there is nothing but pain in the middle of the field. That pain will come whether you catch the ball or not and the only way to make the defense hurt is to catch the ball, make the first down and get up letting the defender know he got to come harder next time. 

That is an elite throw from a guy who is making elite money to make throws just like that. I don't think he had a overall good game, but I have no issue with that play other than the WR not making the catch. 

this is the exact reason why flacco gets bashed so much even when its not warranted.

the length that people go through to justify everything he does is just hilarious.

sure it was an elite throw.
sure aiken had a good chance to make the play.

fact remains that  it was not an elite decision and certainly not 1 that every so called elite QB would make.

you are crazy if you think that every single QB would pick their 3rd/4th string wr in triple coverage over their #1 receiver in single coverage.....

it matter a lot that is was triple coverage.
triple coverage makes any catch a contested one and increase the chances of a drop or a pick.

single coverage gives you a higher % of the play succeeding, even more when you also consider the talent of the receivers.

SSS in single coverage has a much higher % of being successful then aiken in triple coverage.

heck id go as far to say that a good throw to SSS in single coverage has a higher % then an elite throw to aiken in triple coverage......

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2016 by Tru11

[kpfeiffe]

17 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

In other words, Joe Flacco can do no wrong.  

I'm sure come Sunday the stats will be vividly clear how bad Flacco is. Oakland like Redskins are terrible when it comes to getting QB.   Flacco make it very easy for any defense to tee off of him.  Why?  1) Zero pocket awareness

 2) inability to check the field other than eyeing on 1target

 3) Zero ability to build rapport with younger younger receivers(how many times have you seen flacco come up big other than SSS/pitta at pressure time? The whole defense already know where the ball is going come clutch time) 

4) zero ability to read defensive scheme

5) horribly inconsistent throws(A LA the underthrow/overthrow king) 

 yet you would have an excuse why blame should be put on everyone but  Flacco. 

Looking at the stat,  Flacco stands pretty clear he is one of the worst QB in the league right now.  Right there with the rest of the losers @'worst 5'.   

  

I agree with you. I'm a new poster but have been a fan and ticket holder since game #1 in 1996. Joe has family close by and an army of supporters in the area. Make your way outside the Maryland Delaware area though and talk football - people don't think much of Flacco. Now I love the Ravens always have always will. They haven't had many good quarterbacks. Flacco is average and that was enough back in the day. But now he is being paid to be the man and carry the team. He isn't good enough for that. If he doesn't pick up his level of play soon (I hope he does) he won't be around long at this price. There are many areas of need on this team. 

 

[Ravensfan23]

7 hours ago, Tru11 said:

this is the exact reason why flacco gets bashed so much even when its not warranted.

the length that people go through to justify everything he does is just hilarious.

sure it was an elite throw.
sure aiken had a good chance to make the play.

fact remains that  it was not an elite decision and certainly not 1 that every so called elite QB would make.

you are crazy if you think that every single QB would pick their 3rd/4th string wr in triple coverage over their #1 receiver in single coverage.....

it matter a lot that is was triple coverage.
triple coverage makes any catch a contested one and increase the chances of a drop or a pick.

single coverage gives you a higher % of the play succeeding, even more when you also consider the talent of the receivers.

SSS in single coverage has a much higher % of being successful then aiken in triple coverage.

heck id go as far to say that a good throw to SSS in single coverage has a higher % then an elite throw to aiken in triple coverage......

I'll say this one last time and that's it because I have no interest in join the pointless debate of people who support or dislike Flacco. When he's good I say so when he's not I say so. Flacco getting bashed doesn't brother me, he doesn't mail me a check to defend him and the ones who call him overrated don't pay me to agree so I don't get passionate about it, I just enjoy breaking down football.

I agree with everything you just said bro. With any game on the line I'd rather throw in SSS direction over anyone else with the exception of Pitta. Yes I would much rather throw the ball into single coverage than to make a tight window throw. Yes single coverage with SSS has a higher success rate than a tight window throw to Aiken. Yes if given the choice every elite QB would have choose to throw to their #1WR opposed to their 3/4th WR, I agree with all of that.

However what you seemingly fail to realize is that NONE OF THAT WAS AN OPTION ON THAT PLAY!!!!

If you can go back and watch that play, not a still picture of that play but the full play. There is no way the ball goes anywhere but to Aiken. It was only a 4 man route, SSS and Wallace both ran dig routes, Aiken ran a skinny post and Juice was running a delayed option route. Wallace wasn't open at all, SSS is still in the middle of his route and not even looking at Flacco when the ball is released. Aiken quickly beats the LB and gets inside position on the DB and it's a free blitz breating down his neck.

So it's in your opinion that Flacco should have held the ball and waited for SSS to finish his route, a route that the defender was sitting on and a route that took too long to develop because there was a free blitzer breathing down his neck?

If anything you fault the play design, instead of having Pitta stay in to block, you get him into the route because he and SSS are your two clutch guys. However, while all you said above was 100% correct, on that play in that situation, there was no where else for the ball to go and Flacco made the best of it from that standpoint. 

Now if you wanna talk about how Flacco should have flipped his protection and have Juice slide to the right for max pro, we can talk. If you wanna talk about how Flacco should have held Nelson #27 better with his eyes to give Aiken more space, we can talk . If you wanna talk about how Flacco just has to make the throw to Pitta the play before and give Tucker a shot, we can talk.because again I don't think Flacco had a good game I saw a ton of things he needs to improve upon if he's ever gonna be the QB the Ravens hope, I just won't fault him for the decision nor the throw on the final play. 

 

[Willbacker]

20 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

So if and when that play leads to a game sealing INT, what's the narrative? 

Where exactly did I say Flacco can do no wrong? First of all, I've said that I personally don't think Flacco played a good game and on top of that in the very post you quoted I mentioned Flacco missed a wide open Pitta. 

For a 2 letter word that word has a lot of meaning lol.

The one thing I notice that you keep pounding on in your posts is that SSS has not come out of his break(btw he was running in outside hook not a dig) well Joe is supposed to throw it before he comes out of his break and if it was aperfect pass it would have been low and towards the sideline to shield it from the defender. The defender also has to protect the deep just in case of double move and he was 5 yds behind the 1st down marker. If Joe would've waited for him to come out of his break then the chances are higher it would've been a pick or a hit on Joe coming from the free passrusher.

To me the one on one was by far the best option over the middle of the field where you know Aiken is gonna suffer a hit the moment the ball gets there making the chances of a completion less likely

The bottomline tho is it shouldn't have came to that situation and Aiken should have held on to the ball.

[Tru11]

45 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'll say this one last time and that's it because I have no interest in join the pointless debate of people who support or dislike Flacco. When he's good I say so when he's not I say so. Flacco getting bashed doesn't brother me, he doesn't mail me a check to defend him and the ones who call him overrated don't pay me to agree so I don't get passionate about it, I just enjoy breaking down football.

I agree with everything you just said bro. With any game on the line I'd rather throw in SSS direction over anyone else with the exception of Pitta. Yes I would much rather throw the ball into single coverage than to make a tight window throw. Yes single coverage with SSS has a higher success rate than a tight window throw to Aiken. Yes if given the choice every elite QB would have choose to throw to their #1WR opposed to their 3/4th WR, I agree with all of that.

However what you seemingly fail to realize is that NONE OF THAT WAS AN OPTION ON THAT PLAY!!!!

If you can go back and watch that play, not a still picture of that play but the full play. There is no way the ball goes anywhere but to Aiken. It was only a 4 man route, SSS and Wallace both ran dig routes, Aiken ran a skinny post and Juice was running a delayed option route. Wallace wasn't open at all, SSS is still in the middle of his route and not even looking at Flacco when the ball is released. Aiken quickly beats the LB and gets inside position on the DB and it's a free blitz breating down his neck.

So it's in your opinion that Flacco should have held the ball and waited for SSS to finish his route, a route that the defender was sitting on and a route that took too long to develop because there was a free blitzer breathing down his neck?

If anything you fault the play design, instead of having Pitta stay in to block, you get him into the route because he and SSS are your two clutch guys. However, while all you said above was 100% correct, on that play in that situation, there was no where else for the ball to go and Flacco made the best of it from that standpoint. 

Now if you wanna talk about how Flacco should have flipped his protection and have Juice slide to the right for max pro, we can talk. If you wanna talk about how Flacco should have held Nelson #27 better with his eyes to give Aiken more space, we can talk . If you wanna talk about how Flacco just has to make the throw to Pitta the play before and give Tucker a shot, we can talk.because again I don't think Flacco had a good game I saw a ton of things he needs to improve upon if he's ever gonna be the QB the Ravens hope, I just won't fault him for the decision nor the throw on the final play. 

 

you are supposed to throw a pass before a receiver finishes the route.......

something along the lines of chemistry , anticipation , trust and so on.

flacco already knew where he was going with the ball and stuck with that and he delivered a pretty darn good ball.

it still does not mean it was the best decision.

having steve smith in 1 on 1 coverage on the outside while the defends sits on aiken with 3 players over the middle seems like terrific play design to me.
actually seems like the best possible match up anyone could wish for...

 

 

 

 

 

[flynismo]

21 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

In other words, Joe Flacco can do no wrong.  

I'm sure come Sunday the stats will be vividly clear how bad Flacco is. Oakland like Redskins are terrible when it comes to getting QB.   Flacco make it very easy for any defense to tee off of him.  Why?  1) Zero pocket awareness

 2) inability to check the field other than eyeing on 1target

 3) Zero ability to build rapport with younger younger receivers(how many times have you seen flacco come up big other than SSS/pitta at pressure time? The whole defense already know where the ball is going come clutch time) 

4) zero ability to read defensive scheme

5) horribly inconsistent throws(A LA the underthrow/overthrow king) 

  

Every single one of these points, based on their sheer ignorance, indicate that either:

1) You have never actually seen a Ravens game the past 8 years

and / or

2) You are a troll

and / or

3) Flacco kicked your puppy

Which is it?

I mean seriously, the last few pages are talk about how Flacco went to Aiken on the final play, delivering a picture perfect strike into triple coverage no less, (not to mention a pass to Moore on the same drive), and you are still foolish enough to post #3? I could point out much more than that, but I especially found that one hilarious (or sad, depending on how I look at it).

Edited October 9, 2016 by flynismo

[flynismo]

13 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

flacco already knew where he was going with the ball and stuck with that and he delivered a pretty darn good ball.

it still does not mean it was the best decision.

He delivered an on point pass that he knew he could make. Had Aiken not let the pass literally bounce off his chest, we are now in FG range and give JT the chance to kick the game winner, which was the entire goal of that drive. All Aiken had to do was hold onto the ball, and then we're all here talking about what an amazing play that was by Flacco to make a throw through such a small window so accurately, and how clutch he is. We can argue all day about whether or not it was the best decision. It was by no means a bad decision, or even a questionable one.

[Tru11]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

He delivered an on point pass that he knew he could make. Had Aiken not let the pass literally bounce off his chest, we are now in FG range and give JT the chance to kick the game winner, which was the entire goal of that drive. All Aiken had to do was hold onto the ball, and then we're all here talking about what an amazing play that was by Flacco to make a throw through such a small window so accurately, and how clutch he is. We can argue all day about whether or not it was the best decision. It was by no means a bad decision, or even a questionable one.

throwing it to SSS in single coverage will always be a better decision the throwing it to aiken in triple coverage.

 

[Adreme]

4 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

throwing it to SSS in single coverage will always be a better decision the throwing it to aiken in triple coverage.

 

I am sure if he had time to go thru his reads then that would be of course correct.  He saw Aiken being open threw the pass and didnt hesitate which is what you want.  You do not have your QB sit around waiting for a perfect pass when there is a makable one available to him. 

I say this as the person who thinks any play that wasnt drawn to hit either Pitta or SSS in that situation was the wrong play but it does not change the fact that I do not fault Flacco for making a pass he thought he could and DID make.

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

throwing it to SSS in single coverage will always be a better decision the throwing it to aiken in triple coverage.

 

Like I said, we can argue all day which choice is better. The one Flacco made was not a bad one. There is often more than one correct answer.

[D_UP]

IMO he's regressing. I could be overreacting here seeing he's coming off knee surgery, but some of the throws he's making are terrible and not always being made under duress.