Tracking Flacco's Progress

[GhostofGrbac]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

I'd have to go back and watch it(and will), but my guess is there were D lineman in his grille when the ball was thrown. I'm pretty sure if he had the chance to read Smitty open he would have gone to him. It's always easy to play armchair QB watching video. 

Even though I'm not laying blame, seemed like the offense did enough to get the lead with 3 minutes to play and win the game. Would you not agree a top ranked NFL defense should be able to prevent a TD with 3 minutes left in a game? 

 

The safety came on a blitz (may have been a LB I can't really see his number), but Joe had already thrown the ball by the time the S/LB got there. He was locked onto Aiken the entire time. 

He's clearly lacking confidence in his knee and this offense right now. His footwork has been awful the past 2 games. Yes the O-line is party to blame due to their lack of protection, but there are times where gets enough protection and just misses easy throws. 

We need to take some deep shots Sunday against the Redskins. Hitting on 1 or 2 could really help Joe's confidence. 

[flynismo]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

its funny that the team did not enough talk only comes out when the offense has a bad day and we loose

I'm sure that does happen unjustly on occasion, but if yesterday was not a complete failure in every aspect of the game, from coaching down to the backup water boy, I don't know what is.

But I'm cool with the loss. We did everything in our power to gift wrap a very solid OAK team the game, and we still almost walked away with the win. A loss is a loss, but there is something to be said for that.

[Rav'n Maniac]

6 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I'm sure that does happen unjustly on occasion, but if yesterday was not a complete failure in every aspect of the game, from coaching down to the backup water boy, I don't know what is.

But I'm cool with the loss. We did everything in our power to gift wrap a very solid OAK team the game, and we still almost walked away with the win. A loss is a loss, but there is something to be said for that.

Actually we beat them on offense in most major categories except the most important, points scored.

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Actually we beat them on offense in most major categories except the most important, points scored.

I know, but, personally, stats mean little to me...paints whatever picture you want it to. I think yesterday is a good example of that.

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

pocket awareness, for the love of god, this has always drove me crazy with Joe. 

Did he even have a pocket on sunday? I thought he was scared to get Hurt this week.

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

its funny that the team did not enough talk only comes out when the offense has a bad day and we loose
when the defense has a bad day and the team looses its always the defense only fault and the fire pees thread almost crashes the site.....

then again the fire pees thread even gets created and traffic when the team wins and the defense plays good  

to many air heads is mildly worded.
behind by a FG in the first quarter and people already wanna burn down the city it seems.....
had a good laugh though when the game thread crashed last time lol

OK, glad you vented.

[Maryland]

He really needs to fix his footwork, but it's probably so ingrained at this point that there's no fixing it. He does this even when he has time to make a good throw, like on that pass to Pitta that he skipped on the final set of downs. Maybe they need to look for a new QB coach in the offseason, since Marty Morhinhweg hasn't helped. 

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

The safety came on a blitz (may have been a LB I can't really see his number), but Joe had already thrown the ball by the time the S/LB got there. He was locked onto Aiken the entire time. 

He's clearly lacking confidence in his knee and this offense right now. His footwork has been awful the past 2 games. Yes the O-line is party to blame due to their lack of protection, but there are times where gets enough protection and just misses easy throws. 

We need to take some deep shots Sunday against the Redskins. Hitting on 1 or 2 could really help Joe's confidence. 

Don't think Joe has any issues with confidence in his knee.  It would seem however that he does have issues with thinking those 300 pounders chasing and smashing him into the ground may damage his knee again. Personally, I think his fears are justified and if the pass pro doesn't get fixed we may lose him again. 

I hope he has time to throw deep this week, without getting hit while throwing. 

By the bye.......Think can we get a Flacco Rule?   lol

Edited October 3, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

Did he even have a pocket on sunday? I thought he was scared to get Hurt this week.

No poop.  I know if I had just rehabbed an ACL/ MCL, had a brace on my knee, and had to depend on that O line for protection I'd be a bit uneasy. Dude took some pretty stiff shots.

[Tank 92]

12 minutes ago, Maryland said:

He really needs to fix his footwork, but it's probably so ingrained at this point that there's no fixing it. He does this even when he has time to make a good throw, like on that pass to Pitta that he skipped on the final set of downs. Maybe they need to look for a new QB coach in the offseason, since Marty Morhinhweg hasn't helped. 

Not sure why it's such a mystery that he wasn't stepping into some of his throws. Right?

[flynismo]

17 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

No poop.  I know if I had just rehabbed an ACL/ MCL, had a brace on my knee, and had to depend on that O line for protection I'd be a bit uneasy. Dude took some pretty stiff shots.

Did someone say stiff shot? Make mine a Michter's. Double

[Rav'n Maniac]

16 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

No poop.  I know if I had just rehabbed an ACL/ MCL, had a brace on my knee, and had to depend on that O line for protection I'd be a bit uneasy. Dude took some pretty stiff shots.

I surprised there were no designed roll outs to get him away from the rush. May have given him so time to get some chunk yard throws in. Then again roll outs don't work well when the game plan is mostly short throws.

[Tank 92]

10 hours ago, flynismo said:

Did someone say stiff shot? Make mine a Michter's. Double

If you get rid of the creepy Chappelle white dude avatar I'll share my 20 yo single barrel.   lol

[flynismo]

28 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

If you get rid of the creepy Chappelle white dude avatar I'll share my 20 yo single barrel.   lol

OMG, I'm on some website right now trolling the Repubs and democrats on the election, and I just realized white Chapelle looks like Trump hahaha

[flynismo]

On 10/3/2016 at 11:21 AM, RaineV1 said:

Flacco really seems out of his element in this offense, and it's made worse that he has a bad trait that a lot of big QBs do, holding onto the ball too long to try to make a play (like Big Ben).

Holding on the ball too long, you say?

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Offense-Looking-To-Hit-More-Deep-Shots/6dd8b812-0ada-4dcd-8f10-d24b348a9e84

"Flacco is getting rid of the ball in 2.40 seconds, on average, which ranks as the 10th fastest in the NFL."

[Maryland]

17 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Holding on the ball too long, you say?

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Offense-Looking-To-Hit-More-Deep-Shots/6dd8b812-0ada-4dcd-8f10-d24b348a9e84

"Flacco is getting rid of the ball in 2.40 seconds, on average, which ranks as the 10th fastest in the NFL."

He has held the ball too long on certain plays where he should have simply thrown it away. He should have sensed the pressure on the strip-sack vs Oakland, and he has taken a couple of sacks that he could have easily avoided (though there was one sack I think he took on purpose vs the Bills (?) to use clock before kicking a FG to end the half). 

Edited October 6, 2016 by Maryland

[flynismo]

23 minutes ago, Maryland said:

He has held the ball too long on certain plays where he should have simply thrown it away. He should have sensed the pressure on the strip-sack vs Oakland, and he has taken a couple of sacks that he could have easily avoided (though there was one sack I think he took on purpose vs the Bills (?) to use clock before kicking a FG to end the half). 

Meh. If all you can do is name 3 - 4 plays all season so far, it's a non-issue..

[Virginia 55]

On 10/3/2016 at 5:25 AM, Dewy101 said:

Watch the all 22 game tape and tell me Flacco is a bad QB. The receivers on our team wouldn't  even be starting on most other rosters. We probably have the worst WR core in the league(maybe the Rams may be worse but they do have a game breaker in Tavon Austin)  even the Browns have passed us in that category. 

Flacco has maybe two good seasons in his entire career.  He is actually slightly below average.  He is a game manager, that needs a lot of work on his mid range throws.  His average passes is 6.3 that means he is a glorified check down guy with an occasional deep ball (that he throws pretty well).

If we are honest with ourselves, he cant make players great, because he is not good enough to do it. 

Edited October 6, 2016 by Virginia 55

[Virginia 55]

On 9/16/2016 at 4:07 PM, flynismo said:

Yep...coming off an injury, first game in nearly a year, lots of new faces and against a pretty good defense. Went as well as anyone could reasonably expect.

What good defense????

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/4/2016 at 6:26 AM, Tank 92 said:

If you get rid of the creepy Chappelle white dude avatar I'll share my 20 yo single barrel.   lol

Don't you dare reques that. That avy is pure gold.

[Virginia 55]

On 10/3/2016 at 3:33 PM, Tru11 said:

would you not agree that an offense with an elite clutch QB and numerous weapons (fans words not mine) should be able to pick up 10  yards on 4 attempts?

the defense excuse could be that the raiders offense was a top ranked unit as well.
the raiders offense however was ranked dead last .........

you mean defense???

[Rav'n Maniac]

53 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco has maybe two good seasons in his entire career.  He is actually slightly below average.  He is a game manager, that needs a lot of work on his mid range throws.  His average passes is 6.3 that means he is a glorified check down guy with an occasional deep ball (that he throws pretty well).

If we are honest with ourselves, he cant make players great, because he is not good enough to do it. 

Sorry friend, but you can't use just yards per attempt to judge a QB's effectiveness. It doesn't take into consideration pressures, dropped passes, spikes to kill plays or throw away's. If that's what you want to use though, lets take it a little further. Doing a little research, I found these.

Career Y/A

Peyton Manning    7.7

Tom Brady             7.4

Joe Montana         7.5

Brett Favre            7.1

Joe Flacco             6.9

That's 2 Hall of Famers, 2 Future Hall of Famers and 1 "slightly below average / game manager".

 

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Don't you dare reques that. That avy is pure gold.

creeps me out...... ahhhhh. He needs to bring back the one kissing the fish.  

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Sorry friend, but you can't use just yards per attempt to judge a QB's effectiveness. It doesn't take into consideration pressures, dropped passes, spikes to kill plays or throw away's. If that's what you want to use though, lets take it a little further. Doing a little research, I found these.

Career Y/A

Peyton Manning    7.7

Tom Brady             7.4

Joe Montana         7.5

Brett Favre            7.1

Joe Flacco             6.9

That's 2 Hall of Famers, 2 Future Hall of Famers and 1 "slightly below average / game manager".

 

BAM!

[trevorsteadman]

13 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Sorry friend, but you can't use just yards per attempt to judge a QB's effectiveness. It doesn't take into consideration pressures, dropped passes, spikes to kill plays or throw away's. If that's what you want to use though, lets take it a little further. Doing a little research, I found these.

Career Y/A

Peyton Manning    7.7

Tom Brady             7.4

Joe Montana         7.5

Brett Favre            7.1

Joe Flacco             6.9

That's 2 Hall of Famers, 2 Future Hall of Famers and 1 "slightly below average / game manager".

 

Add in think of the weapons all those other QB's had to up that... I mean I think Flacco with Thomas and Sanders or even Edelman and Gronkowski would be great. None of our weapons really scare people outside of Steve Smith who is 37. Yes Wallace has caught touchdowns so far but he has been quiet recently. Sometimes you have to look what other teams have. Plus Peyton went to Denver because of their weapons and O-line. Tom Brady has had an excellent O-line his entire career and it helps that he has 3 or 4 slot type small receivers all over the field to outrun people.

Flacco has been jipped when it comes to weapons. I know this is beating a dead horse but he really needs weapons. I know this year is probably the most weapons he has had and best we have ever had but now we have a really shakey O-line. And even though this is the best weapons he has had in his career they are still pretty sad....

[The Raven]

16 hours ago, Maryland said:

He has held the ball too long on certain plays where he should have simply thrown it away. He should have sensed the pressure on the strip-sack vs Oakland, and he has taken a couple of sacks that he could have easily avoided (though there was one sack I think he took on purpose vs the Bills (?) to use clock before kicking a FG to end the half). 

Literally every QB does this, and he's top ten on average, so... 

[trevorsteadman]

28 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Literally every QB does this, and he's top ten on average, so... 

And that usually isn't Flacco's style. He is meant to hold it longer and throw deep because that is his biggest god given gift. But he is top 10 in getting it out of his hands which means there is no protection.

[marylandcrab]

On 10/3/2016 at 3:09 PM, Tank 92 said:

I'd have to go back and watch it(and will), but my guess is there were D lineman in his grille when the ball was thrown. I'm pretty sure if he had the chance to read Smitty open he would have gone to him. It's always easy to play armchair QB watching video. 

Even though I'm not laying blame, seemed like the offense did enough to get the lead with 3 minutes to play and win the game. Would you not agree a top ranked NFL defense should be able to prevent a TD with 3 minutes left in a game? 

 

Hi there... Super-new here so I hope you don't mind if I jump right in!

My feeling is Joe by this point knew his line would fail him and give him zero time to set and read the field. He knew he was going to throw to Aiken before the ball was even snapped. I personally think he should've gone to Steve, yes, because Steve was single-covered and had 111 yards & 1 TD on 8 catches by that point (and Aiken was ICE COLD and having a terrible game). But to Flacco's credit he delivered a strike to Aiken regardless. Aiken just dropped it and failed Flacco there.

Check out screenshot below... Flacco put the ball into Aiken's chest while throwing to his right of the MLB, behind the close CB, in front of the far CB, and to his left of the S. That was an insanely talented throw under pressure... earlier in this thread OP was saying Flacco doesn't thread the needle anymore, I think this shows he is starting to do so again.

[Maryland]

15 hours ago, The Raven said:

Literally every QB does this, and he's top ten on average, so... 

There are plenty of QBs out there who are good about getting rid of the ball and avoiding sacks. Eli Manning is probably the best one I can think of right now at avoiding sacks by just throwing it away. I think being more cognizant of pressure or more careful about taking sacks could improve Flacco's game. 

Edited October 8, 2016 by Maryland

[kassaiscool]

I have made many comments about what I think about Joe, but I honestly think we should make it easier for him to get into a groove. Get him going early because I noticed with Joe for the most part if he starts fast he usually plays well throughout the game, but if he starts slow he will end up not having a good game. Start the game off with passes to reliable receivers and then work to the other young wide outs during the rest of the game.