Tracking Flacco's Progress

[Tru11]

6 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Tru....  Read the new article that is up about Ronnie Stanley that talks of that statement...  Joe was NOT talking about the offense being good.  He was talking about the blocking being good. 

if the blocking was good early then what was the excuse of the offense being terrible at that point?

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, Tru11 said:

if the blocking was good early then what was the excuse of the offense being terrible at that point?

IT WAS A QUOTE FROM JOE TRU.... 

[playlikeawhat]

7 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Makes too much sense, doesn't it.  Hence my comment about "How many QB's went down yesterday... and last week....  It can't be that simple...  It has to be more complicated..

Totally agree.  I'm just thankful I can rely on some fellow members to help me keep things in a fair perspective.

Edited October 3, 2016 by playlikeawhat

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

IT WAS A QUOTE FROM JOE TRU.... 

The blocking was abysmal in the first. I think he was just being kind and not wanting to throw players under the bus.

He's really good about holding himself accountable.

[The Mom Gene]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The blocking was abysmal in the first. I think he was just being kind and not wanting to throw players under the bus.

He's really good about holding himself accountable.

yes, he is Bmore.

[Tru11]

23 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

IT WAS A QUOTE FROM JOE TRU.... 

i read the quote and its hilarious at best.

you must have been watching another game if you agree with that crap....

[Tank 92]

24 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

if the blocking was good early then what was the excuse of the offense being terrible at that point?

The other team was playing better?   lol     What excuse did the defense have in allowing an easy go ahead TD with 2 minutes left and the win in hand?

I just can't understand the constant bashing of the offense, or the defense for that matter. it's a team game and everyone is trying to win. Stevie Wonder could see we were severely out manned on the offensive line. Maybe Flacco's comment was his way of not making excuses. I didn't see the interview but I'm going to guess he said something like "I need to play better".

[GhostofGrbac]

5 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

It was triple coverage and Flacco thread the needle. SSS catches that pass, pitta catches that pass, boldin catches that pass.

He does miss some real head scratchers though, like the pitta one. Just have to accept it at this stage I think.

Also think he doesn't trust his knee and oline fully. Any sign of pressure he doesn't step in, even phantom pressure.

I agree that Aiken should have caught that ball. It's obviously a tough catch, but it needs to be made. 

My issue with that play (and the announcer even pointed it out) SSR is 1 on 1 on the outside and Joe never looked his way. He pre-determined where he was going with the ball. Give me SSR in 1 on 1 over Aiken in triple coverage everyday. 

[The Mom Gene]

11 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

I agree that Aiken should have caught that ball. It's obviously a tough catch, but it needs to be made. 

My issue with that play (and the announcer even pointed it out) SSR is 1 on 1 on the outside and Joe never looked his way. He pre-determined where he was going with the ball. Give me SSR in 1 on 1 over Aiken in triple coverage everyday. 

I didn't like that it was said that Joe wanted Aiken to get more balls.  I think the balls need to go where it's open... not to the person that "wants more passes".  I have always felt that way.  Even on some wide open passes, Kamar seems to drop them.   Steve, Dennis, and Mike Wallace seem to be the guys getting open... He missed a wide open Dennis on the last series too.

[Militant X 1]

18 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

I agree that Aiken should have caught that ball. It's obviously a tough catch, but it needs to be made. 

My issue with that play (and the announcer even pointed it out) SSR is 1 on 1 on the outside and Joe never looked his way. He pre-determined where he was going with the ball. Give me SSR in 1 on 1 over Aiken in triple coverage everyday. 

Exactly!

[Tru11]

5 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

The other team was playing better?   lol     What excuse did the defense have in allowing an easy go ahead TD with 2 minutes left and the win in hand?

I just can't understand the constant bashing of the offense, or the defense for that matter. it's a team game and everyone is trying to win. Stevie Wonder could see we were severely out manned on the offensive line. Maybe Flacco's comment was his way of not making excuses. I didn't see the interview but I'm going to guess he said something like "I need to play better".

i prefer that instead of saying it , he actually does it.

he can throw a pass in triple coverage to the 3rd receiver while the the number 1 receiver is in 1 on 1 coverage and wide open and people will still praise him and blame everyone else when the play fails.....

 

[Rav'n Maniac]

17 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

I agree that Aiken should have caught that ball. It's obviously a tough catch, but it needs to be made. 

My issue with that play (and the announcer even pointed it out) SSR is 1 on 1 on the outside and Joe never looked his way. He pre-determined where he was going with the ball. Give me SSR in 1 on 1 over Aiken in triple coverage everyday. 

If you watch the play in slow motion he was bobbling the ball before he was hit. He wasn't catching that pass from the get go.

[Militant X 1]

22 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

The other team was playing better?   lol     What excuse did the defense have in allowing an easy go ahead TD with 2 minutes left and the win in hand?

I just can't understand the constant bashing of the offense, or the defense for that matter. it's a team game and everyone is trying to win. Stevie Wonder could see we were severely out manned on the offensive line. Maybe Flacco's comment was his way of not making excuses. I didn't see the interview but I'm going to guess he said something like "I need to play better".

You can't? 

[PurpleCity5]

Backfoot throws is his biggest problem. 

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

i prefer that instead of saying it , he actually does it.

he can throw a pass in triple coverage to the 3rd receiver while the the number 1 receiver is in 1 on 1 coverage and wide open and people will still praise him and blame everyone else when the play fails.....

 

I'd have to go back and watch it(and will), but my guess is there were D lineman in his grille when the ball was thrown. I'm pretty sure if he had the chance to read Smitty open he would have gone to him. It's always easy to play armchair QB watching video. 

Even though I'm not laying blame, seemed like the offense did enough to get the lead with 3 minutes to play and win the game. Would you not agree a top ranked NFL defense should be able to prevent a TD with 3 minutes left in a game? 

 

[Tank 92]

23 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

If you watch the play in slow motion he was bobbling the ball before he was hit. He wasn't catching that pass from the get go.

Pass was on point. Classic case of alligator arms. 

[Tank 92]

39 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

I didn't like that it was said that Joe wanted Aiken to get more balls.  I think the balls need to go where it's open... not to the person that "wants more passes".  I have always felt that way.  Even on some wide open passes, Kamar seems to drop them.   Steve, Dennis, and Mike Wallace seem to be the guys getting open... He missed a wide open Dennis on the last series too.

You don't really think he threw the ball to Aiken to "get him more balls", do you?  Pretty sure what he meant in saying that was he needed to get Aiken more involved in the O when he was on the field, which no one could argue with. Who knew when that happened he would fail. 

Seems anyone not named Smith or Pitta or Wallace had a bad case of board hands. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by Tank 92

[Militant X 1]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I'd have to go back and watch it(and will), but my guess is there were D lineman in his grille when the ball was thrown. I'm pretty sure if he had the chance to read Smitty open he would have gone to him. It's always easy to play armchair QB watching video. 

Even though I'm not laying blame, seemed like the offense did enough to get the lead with 3 minutes to play and win the game. Would you not agree a top ranked NFL defense should be able to prevent a TD with 3 minutes left in a game? 

 

True!  But don't you agree that an offense with all of these multiple so-called "weapons" for Joe Flacco (i.e. SSS, Perriman, Aiken, Pitta, Gilmore, Juice, Forsett, West etc.) should also be able to get going at the very, very, very beginning of games instead of stalling, being stagnant and being sluggish for nearly 4 quarters in ALL 4 games that they have played so far? 

[Tank 92]

"All of these so called weapons"?   LMAO!   Hopefully all of those guys you mentioned show up before the season ends!  

I'm not going to try to defend anyone's performance, but the fact is the score at the end of the game is what matters and we were ahead by 6 pretty darn close to the end of the game. It's disappointing after having so much hope that we had returned to playing Ravens defense that we let that one get away. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

I'd have to go back and watch it(and will), but my guess is there were D lineman in his grille when the ball was thrown. I'm pretty sure if he had the chance to read Smitty open he would have gone to him. It's always easy to play armchair QB watching video. 

Even though I'm not laying blame, seemed like the offense did enough to get the lead with 3 minutes to play and win the game. Would you not agree a top ranked NFL defense should be able to prevent a TD with 3 minutes left in a game? 

 

would you not agree that an offense with an elite clutch QB and numerous weapons (fans words not mine) should be able to pick up 10  yards on 4 attempts?

the defense excuse could be that the raiders offense was a top ranked unit as well.
the raiders offense however was ranked dead last .........

[Tru11]

5 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

"All of these so called weapons"?   LMAO!   Hopefully all of those guys you mentioned show up before the season ends!  

I'm going to try to defend anyone's performance, but the fact is the score at the end of the game is what matters and we were ahead by 6 pretty darn close to the end of the game. It's disappointing after having so much hope that we had returned to playing Ravens defense that we let that one get away. 

we would be up by more if the offense showed up.

they practically handed the raiders 14 points by fumbling in their own territory and punting from their own endzone which lead to an excellent punt return.

the raiders have a top ranked offense and doing those things is suicide.

also lets not forget it was the defense that forced the fumble that gave the offense 17 yards to go for a TD and give the ravens the lead.

defense did more then enough tbh yet people still bashed them.
dont believe me go read the game thread or the good bad ugly 1.....

Edited October 3, 2016 by Tru11

[Militant X 1]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

"All of these so called weapons"?   LMAO!   Hopefully all of those guys you mentioned show up before the season ends!  

I'm going to try to defend anyone's performance, but the fact is the score at the end of the game is what matters and we were ahead by 6 pretty darn close to the end of the game. It's disappointing after having so much hope that we had returned to playing Ravens defense that we let that one get away. 

Yeah, it is but you haven't addressed the offenses ineptness for nearly 3 1/2 quarters either.

 

[BmoreRavens732]

I can tell you now the way I see things. And believe me I'm what you guys call a "flacco apologist" to the fullest. I love flacco! But to me he seems to not go fully through his progressions and quite often misses wide open receivers. We could have a guy 30 yards down field for example and he will lock on to his number 1 read from the start or he might make it to his second read but from there get nervous or anxious and throw into contested coverage or just check it down. Seems like mental errors more then anything just like he's throwing off his back foot. To me he just seems worried about his knee.

[Tank 92]

3 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Yeah, it is but you haven't addressed the offenses ineptness for nearly 3 1/2 quarters either.

 

Why? You were there. Wasn't it obvious that we got owned in the trenches? Pretty remarkable we were able to do anything and no one got hurt. 

Like I said, I'm not looking to lay blame on anyone. The Ravens as a TEAM did not play well enough to win the game. On to the skins and they better not lose that one!   lol

[Tank 92]

17 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

we would be up by more if the offense showed up.

they practically handed the raiders 14 points by fumbling in their own territory and punting from their own endzone which lead to an excellent punt return.

the raiders have a top ranked offense and doing those things is suicide.

also lets not forget it was the defense that forced the fumble that gave the offense 17 yards to go for a TD and give the ravens the lead.

defense did more then enough tbh yet people still bashed them.
dont believe me go read the game thread or the good bad ugly 1.....

Yeah,no I'm not playing the "what if we scored more early" game. Fact is that you can't change something and assume everything else would remain the same, because it would not. The TEAM did not do enough to win, and that's a fact.

I don't do the game thread once the game starts. Too many air heads posting nonsense.   Haha

[Militant X 1]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Why? You were there. Wasn't it obvious that we got owned in the trenches? Pretty remarkable we were able to do anything and no one got hurt. 

Like I said, I'm not looking to lay blame on anyone. The Ravens as a TEAM did not play well enough to win the game. On to the skins and they better not lose that one!   lol

I know I was there bro!  Everything on BOTH sides of the ball was very obvious to me that's why I'm posting about it with you.  

As far as the Skins?  Who knows my brother? 

[Tank 92]

12 minutes ago, BmoreRavens732 said:

I can tell you now the way I see things. And believe me I'm what you guys call a "flacco apologist" to the fullest. I love flacco! But to me he seems to not go fully through his progressions and quite often misses wide open receivers. We could have a guy 30 yards down field for example and he will lock on to his number 1 read from the start or he might make it to his second read but from there get nervous or anxious and throw into contested coverage or just check it down. Seems like mental errors more then anything just like he's throwing off his back foot. To me he just seems worried about his knee.

Agreed. It seems that he's not confident he won't get hurt again and the repetitive hits are making it worse. I've never seen him look the way he did yesterday on the bench, just looked disenchanted. Hopefully he gains confidence moving forward, and gets better protection as well. 

[3-4ravdef509]

I can buy into the fact that Flacco isn't playing as well as he could be.

I laugh at the idea that Joe is the even in the top 5 things this team should be concerned with. 

1: Offensive Playcalling

2: Offensive Line Play

3: Shareece Wright

4: Fumbles

5: Dumb Penalties

 

Maybe 6th or 7th on that list is tracking the progress of Joe in his first year playing after the recovery of a major injury. And also continuing to push Joe to improve on certain areas of his game. But Joe isn't the reason we lost that game. Without him we'd probably be sitting 0-4 right now. 

 

We've all seen worse games than this from our Ravens and from Flacco.

2011 we scored 1 touchdown against the Jags, we didn't get a first down for over two quarters I think.

We ended up playing in the conference championship that year, and lost by a dropped pass and shanked field goal.

2012 and 2014 we were exposed and humiliated by the Texans. We ended up winning the Superbowl and giving the eventual Super Bowl championships a heck of a run for their money. 

 

We we didn't get blown out in this game. We almost won. We fell a little short. We hopefully will improve. It's a long season guys. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by 3-4ravdef509

[usmccharles]

pocket awareness, for the love of god, this has always drove me crazy with Joe. 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Yeah,no I'm not playing the "what if we scored more early" game. Fact is that you can't change something and assume everything else would remain the same, because it would not. The TEAM did not do enough to win, and that's a fact.

I don't do the game thread once the game starts. Too many air heads posting nonsense.   Haha

its funny that the team did not enough talk only comes out when the offense has a bad day and we loose
when the defense has a bad day and the team looses its always the defense only fault and the fire pees thread almost crashes the site.....

then again the fire pees thread even gets created and traffic when the team wins and the defense plays good  

to many air heads is mildly worded.
behind by a FG in the first quarter and people already wanna burn down the city it seems.....
had a good laugh though when the game thread crashed last time lol