Tracking Flacco's Progress

[OUravensfan]

Like pretty much every other iconic loss in his career, Flacco made the throws and his WRs dropped them. Chris Moore or Aiken make their catches on the last drive and we win. His QB rating is low right now because he has to check it down immediately or take a sack, it's not rocket science. Flacco played well enough to win today, give him Julio Jones or AJ Green and watch what would happen, tired of drops every [profanity deleted]ing year

Edited October 3, 2016 by OUravensfan

[OUravensfan]

9 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

next year we wont have many draft picks also and will have next to 0 cap room. Weddle will be older...webb too ( and with no obvious replacements)..

unless flacco can show that he can make simple throws in clutch situations consistantly we arent going to be a good team again until we clear flaccos cap and get a better QB in the draft along with a new and more creative coaching staff

The Moore throw qualifies as a simple clutch throw, so did the Aiken throw. I prefer going to a better player in that situation, Aiken showed why he is Aiken 

[Sami84]

oh cmon..aikens throw was in almost triple coverage..he had no shot

 

chris moore though..

 

there was a full game and im taking into account what im seeing on coaches film. It seems unless Joe has 3 pro bowl caliber offensive lineman in front of him hes next to useless.

[RavensPunkXVX]

29 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i think we need to consider looking beyond flacco very very soon. He's cutleresque in my opinion. Not as much of a quitter as cutler but he's just not very good. When are we going to wake up and see hes too inconsistant of a QB to have this much money from our cap and making it next to impossible for us to lure free agents that are in their prime and can contribute. 

Can't spell flacceliteo without Elite.

[Sami84]

I just want to know WHAT will make flacco homers on this forum realize that he is a big issue?  Im not a skip bayless fan but when he said '' flacco is the best WORST qb I've ever seen'' can one really deny that? He's pandoras box..he can be the worst QB in the league one day and have a solid outing the next and once ina  while have an awesome game. We started this year talking about all the awesome weapons he has..What now? Oh the offensive line isnt great? So bleeping what? Well it appears that unlike many great QBS he's been the worst under pressure..

its clear to me that unless we supply him with a dallas cowboys like line he will never EVER take us to or close to a SB again.

[OUravensfan]

12 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

oh cmon..aikens throw was in almost triple coverage..he had no shot

 

chris moore though..

 

there was a full game and im taking into account what im seeing on coaches film. It seems unless Joe has 3 pro bowl caliber offensive lineman in front of him hes next to useless.

Yea it was a tough play no doubt, I'm way more mad at Moore because it's starting to look like he has stage freight. 

He doesn't need a cowboys o line but yesterday was something else, and we still should of won. One loss, we move on like Pitt did.Perriman better start emerging, it's one play and disappear from him every game.

[BaltyBob]

Joe missed a couple of passes, yes.  BUT the O-Line was simply awful most of the day and he rarely if ever had a pocket...just look at the time Carr had on almost every pass.  Receivers did not help either.  Not saying he was perfect, but Joe is not the reason we lost yesterday.

[Sami84]

8 minutes ago, BaltyBob said:

Joe missed a couple of passes, yes.  BUT the O-Line was simply awful most of the day and he rarely if ever had a pocket...just look at the time Carr had on almost every pass.  Receivers did not help either.  Not saying he was perfect, but Joe is not the reason we lost yesterday.

 

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im starting to feel our window is closed. I was looking at the numbers earlier today and taking into account our positions of need based on age and weaknesses, along with few draft picks next year, this is simply another patch up job and eventually reality is going to set in..we are not a playoff team and signing as many 30 year old pro bowlers or ex pro bowlers to try and fix everything in the offseason isnt going to work for much longer.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Sami84

[Sami84]

28 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Can't spell flacceliteo without Elite.

if elite is mastering the art of underthrowing then by all means..

[3-4ravdef509]

Everybody needs to calm down...

 

Dod Joe play his best game? No. 

 

But our offensive line and our offensive coordinator are the real goats here. 

Joe didn't have enough time to make really any throws for most of the game. Joe finally started getting time when we finally got the running game going, which forced the defense to respect the possibility of a run play. Suddenly we were scoring. The last two drives though were compounded with mistakes from everyone, Flacco, his lineman and receivers and the play calling (4 straight throws in a row). 

 

Flacco is playing about as well as we could hope for given the line play and mostly absent running game, having come off the injury he had with not a lot of time in the off season to shake off rust. He didn't throw any interceptions and only fumbled one on of the many sacks he had. 

 

Honestly Osemele had he last laugh he wanted to have against his former team. Carr was protected all day and threw for 4 touchdowns even with not a stellar running game. Joe had to basically force every play and throw himself until West finally started getting into a groove. 

 

 

You cant win them all. We fell flat this time against a good team. It happens. I look forward to seeing this offense improve more as they have more time together and hopefully with the running game emerging we can see the play calling evolve. Still not in love with Trstman though. 

[arnie_uk]

38 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

oh cmon..aikens throw was in almost triple coverage..he had no shot

 

chris moore though..

 

there was a full game and im taking into account what im seeing on coaches film. It seems unless Joe has 3 pro bowl caliber offensive lineman in front of him hes next to useless.

It was triple coverage and Flacco thread the needle. SSS catches that pass, pitta catches that pass, boldin catches that pass.

He does miss some real head scratchers though, like the pitta one. Just have to accept it at this stage I think.

Also think he doesn't trust his knee and oline fully. Any sign of pressure he doesn't step in, even phantom pressure.

[OUravensfan]

6 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

It was triple coverage and Flacco thread the needle. SSS catches that pass, pitta catches that pass, boldin catches that pass.

He does miss some real head scratchers though, like the pitta one. Just have to accept it at this stage I think.

Also think he doesn't trust his knee and oline fully. Any sign of pressure he doesn't step in, even phantom pressure.

You could almost say it was a clutch throw??

How anyone can watch that game and blame Flacco is beyond me. Again, Chris Moore catches a pass I catch, we win assuming Tucker makes the kick, which is a safe assumption. 

[Tank 92]

Seems the "stable of weapons" ain't what we thought it would be, yet anyway.  I'm not giving up hope but Perriman and Moore's board hands are discouraging. And I'm not sure what happened to Aiken. And where's Max Williams?

I have to say that Flacco really seemed shaken yesterday after getting blasted a few times, shaken like we've never seen.  Coming back from the knee I think he now realizes he is not invincible. Also guessing his confidence will build the more he plays, but we have to find an answer for providing better pass protection. 

[Moderator 3]

Do people watch other games?  Look at teams with o-line problems and tell me how well they're doing.  Ask Carson, Cam, and Andrew how it's going.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

Do people watch other games?  Look at teams with o-line problems and tell me how well they're doing.  Ask Carson, Cam, and Andrew how it's going.

Should have made a big effort for sitton. Also, i refuse to believe that james hurst is the best backup we could muster. it's clear there's complacency in that regard.

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

Do people watch other games?  Look at teams with o-line problems and tell me how well they're doing.  Ask Carson, Cam, and Andrew how it's going.

If they do they certainly don't hold the QBs to the same standard. I think most that are hypercritical just didn't like Joe to begin with.

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Should have made a big effort for sitton. Also, i refuse to believe that james hurst is the best backup we could muster. it's clear there's complacency in that regard.

We did try to get Long. He's far from ideal too, but certainly worlds better than Hurst or Jensen

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Do people watch other games?  Look at teams with o-line problems and tell me how well they're doing.  Ask Carson, Cam, and Andrew how it's going.

It's clear they don't. They look at stat sheets and call it a day.

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

It's clear they don't. They look at stat sheets and call it a day.

Absolutely fly...  and it drives me crazy.  Joe and Steve explained yesterday how going long works...  and for us yesterday???  it didn't.  I seriously cannot understate how important that left side is.  We put the two guys in there yesterday that were in there last year???  and look at the result.

[AsianRice]

5 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Absolutely fly...  and it drives me crazy.  Joe and Steve explained yesterday how going long works...  and for us yesterday???  it didn't.  I seriously cannot understate how important that left side is.  We put the two guys in there yesterday that were in there last year???  and look at the result.

Seems like ACL and MCL rewarded for our franchise QB isn't enough with these two guys.....

 

Joe was clearly hurt last game and made bad throw to Pitta's wide open in the end cuz he worried that he would get hit hard again and again if he held on to the ball for more than 3s.  I got worried when he squeezed his legs in 4th Q; chance to re-injure his knee is pretty high last Sunday game...

 

I blame Trestman for didn't game plan on the left side like sending TE or RB or FB help on the left side and stop Kali Mack....

[The Mom Gene]

6 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

Seems like ACL and MCL rewarded for our franchise QB isn't enough with these two guys.....

 

Joe was clearly hurt last game and made bad throw to Pitta's wide open in the end cuz he worried that he would get hit hard again and again if he held on to the ball for more than 3s.  I got worried when he squeezed his legs in 4th Q; chance to re-injure his knee is pretty high last Sunday game...

 

I blame Trestman for didn't game plan on the left side like sending TE or RB or FB help on the left side and stop Kali Mack....

Absolutely Rice.  I think we did have Maxx in there for a long while helping some...  but then he got hurt too.

[Europoljuice]

I do not want this to be a Joe Flacco Bashing so I will be direct. The entire offence is horrible and has been since week one. The problem starts with the Top. Mark Tressman has brought his lack luster offence to Baltimore from Chicago. Its the same issues and the same problems they have had up there for years. Not to mention the O line can't protect and can't open any holes for the running backs. Its really very simple. Sure we have a 2nd string L guard and L tackle but Joe still can't hit the Full back on the 3 yard line. He missed a wide open Full back. Then when we do take a chance to stretch the field. Joe under throws the wide receivers almost all the time. The play book is so lack luster, I can get better plays from a high school play book. Hey guys do your self a big favor and watch the Steelers play book open up and watch the Patriots when they get a miss match. Heck we have 2 really fast wide receivers and even in motion they still can't get any separation. Stop making excuses and make a change. I remember when they fired CAM and we went to the Superbowl. Start steeling decent plays that work. Your play book is so predictable it's not even funny. Perhaps you can have Joe draw a tree route in the grass so everyone knows how to get open. Sad

Edited October 3, 2016 by Europoljuice

[The Mom Gene]

7 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

Seems like ACL and MCL rewarded for our franchise QB isn't enough with these two guys.....

 

Joe was clearly hurt last game and made bad throw to Pitta's wide open in the end cuz he worried that he would get hit hard again and again if he held on to the ball for more than 3s.  I got worried when he squeezed his legs in 4th Q; chance to re-injure his knee is pretty high last Sunday game...

 

I blame Trestman for didn't game plan on the left side like sending TE or RB or FB help on the left side and stop Kali Mack....

And yeah...  Joe absolutely was hurting in the 4th qtr.

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

Joe was clearly hurt last game and made bad throw to Pitta's wide open in the end cuz he worried that he would get hit hard again and again if he held on to the ball for more than 3s.

I thought the exact same thing! I didn't say anything about it because it really isn't a good excuse. But yes, I'm pretty sure that he had his knee in mind there.

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Europoljuice said:

I do not want this to be a Joe Flacco Bashing so I will be direct. The entire offence is horrible and has been since week one. The problem starts with the Top. Mark Tressman has brought his lack luster offence to Baltimore from Chicago. Its the same issues and the same problems they have had up there for years. Not to mention the O line can't protect and can't open any holes for the running backs. Its really very simple. Sure we have a 2nd string L guard and L tackle but Joe still can't hit the Full back on the 3 yard line. He missed a wide open Full back. Then when we do take a chance to stretch the field. Joe under throws the wide receivers almost all the time. The play book is so lack luster, I can get better plays from a high school play book. Hey guys do your self a big favor and watch the Steelers play book open up and watch the Patriots when they get a miss match. Heck we have 2 really fast wide receivers and even in motion they still can't get any separation. Stop making excuses and make a change. I remember when they fired CAM and we went to the Superbowl. Start steeling decent plays that work. Your play book is so predictable it's not even funny. Perhaps you can have Joe draw a tree route in the grass so everyone knows how to get open. Sad

Here's how I see it. Fix the OL, and that will be enough to overcome Trestman's inadequacies. Fix the OL and Trestman? Then we'll see a top 5 offense. Joe, SSS, Wallace and Pitta are all to good to be shut down with any sort of consistency if the OL and OC do their jobs.

[The Mom Gene]

Bottom Line...  WE HAVE GOT TO PROTECT FLACCO.  We are not doing well at that at all.  If you watch Steve Smith's presser from about 2:14 on, you'll hear what he has to say about yesterday....  Everybody wants to see the long downfield passes.  And the Raiders did a good job and kept that at bay yesterday.  I will say this again...  Where are the slants and screens?  We only see those when we are in the hurry up.  And in a game like yesterday, we needed those even more.

[The Mom Gene]

8 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I thought the exact same thing! I didn't say anything about it because it really isn't a good excuse. But yes, I'm pretty sure that he had his knee in mind there.

It's a GREAT excuse.  We need more hurry up.

[Deflated Football]

I'm fine with Joe playing mediocre in the season as long as he gets us to the playoffs because he goes from average to elite and anything can happen. This offensive line however is doing him no favors. We really need an upgrade at Center. 

[DenverRaven]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

I just want to know WHAT will make flacco homers on this forum realize that he is a big issue?  Im not a skip bayless fan but when he said '' flacco is the best WORST qb I've ever seen'' can one really deny that? He's pandoras box..he can be the worst QB in the league one day and have a solid outing the next and once ina  while have an awesome game. We started this year talking about all the awesome weapons he has..What now? Oh the offensive line isnt great? So bleeping what? Well it appears that unlike many great QBS he's been the worst under pressure..

its clear to me that unless we supply him with a dallas cowboys like line he will never EVER take us to or close to a SB again.

Who would you replace him with? I'm genuinely curious as to what your solution is to this "big issue"

If you don't understand how much affect the OL play has on the QB, then maybe I'm not all that curious.

[The Mom Gene]

5 minutes ago, DenverRaven said:

Who would you replace him with? I'm genuinely curious as to what your solution is to this "big issue"

If you don't understand how much affect the OL play has on the QB, then maybe I'm not all that curious.

Denver....  some folks just don't see the forest for the tree.   I would say that you should be like myself, and be "not all that curious" at all.  Because I have seen what can happen when the protection is there.  I have seen what can happen when you have to switch OC's in the middle of a season, and the guy adjusts, and takes a team to the Big Game.  We have a crap ton of new players that need to adjust yet.  All you have to do is scroll through the game thread from yesterday...  it was like a Bipolar OCD party.  I watch the game.  I evaluate it, and listen to the players take on what they see and do.  Us fans don't see "everything".