Tracking Flacco's Progress

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 joe isnt a deisgned rollout guy imo

I used to think the same thing, until Kubiak came along. I think a healthy Flacco does quite well on rollouts/bootlegs

[redrum52]

15 hours ago, flynismo said:

heh, yeah true, the likelihood of Trestman actually noticing anything is pretty slim...

I've been on a Chapelle binge lately

Player Haters ball one of his best skits.  

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

I used to think the same thing, until Kubiak came along. I think a healthy Flacco does quite well on rollouts/bootlegs

He does well when they're off PA

[Maryland]

9 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Joe's like 33 years old, he's not progressing any more, lol. He's as good as he'll ever be.

Ben seems to have really improved himself after turning 30. His best season was at age 32.

Though, you could also attribute much of that to the team around him improving mightily with the rise of Brown and Bell, and the hiring of a new OC.

[Halshayeji]

I often find myself the homer here for criticizing Flacco after a 300 yard game because of how many times we punt or how fast we get off the field. Then we blame our D for not holding up a 13th time late in the 4th quarter. Bengals week 3 last year just killed me.

i gotta give credit here when it's due to Flacco. Given the circumstances that he was in, I think he did good. Real good. I agree with some erlier posts that the play calling leaves a lot to be desired. I would ideally like Flacco to have a deep route and a hot route on any drop back. If no one is open let his throw away be a deep ball to Perriman or Wallace. If we're blitzed we need to make teams pay with YAC and hot routs.

is this where I think this offense is Super Bowl bound? Of course not. We scored 13 points. But I do like the foundation that we're starting with. 0 int, 2 punts from 10 drives, TOP. 60/40 pass vs run. Not too bad.

[Ravenseconbeast]

One player will consistently suck at our team.  Joe Flacco.   Highest paid player with the worst result.  

Wake up apologists, he isn't your 1st-year rookie anymore.   Hoping that we'd strike a lucky lottery and expect a 2012 playoff streaky performance will never happen again with Flacco.

Soon we move on from Dred Bledsoe 2.0, sooner we get another Superbowl #3 for the Ravens.

[Doomville]

2 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

One player will consistently suck at our team.  Joe Flacco.   Highest paid player with the worst result.  

Wake up apologists, he isn't your 1st-year rookie anymore.   Hoping that we'd strike a lucky lottery and expect a 2012 playoff streaky performance will never happen again with Flacco.

Soon we move on from Dred Bledsoe 2.0, sooner we get another Superbowl #3 for the Ravens.

We are lucky that we even have a franchise qb. Look at the teams like browns with a qb carousal every season. They would give a handful of top picks easily for someone like flacco because that would instantly put them into contention for playoff. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

5 minutes ago, Doomville said:

We are lucky that we even have a franchise qb. Look at the teams like browns with a qb carousal every season. They would give a handful of top picks easily for someone like flacco because that would instantly put them into contention for playoff. 

 

 

 

We will never carousel HC and QB like the Browns.  Our organization will groom a QB and stay more patient than most teams in NFL out there.  We have that kind of strength.  

If you think we will fall off just because of Joe Flacco, you are a fool.  The guy is in his 8th year, and its the same exact thing he has issues with.  I don't care much about Flacco, I care about our team winning the next Superbowl.   Joe with performance like this will never win another one.   

Edited September 18, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[arnie_uk]

10 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

We will never carousel HC and QB like the Browns.  Our organization will groom a QB and stay more patient than most teams in NFL out there.  We have that kind of strength.  

If you think we will fall off just because of Joe Flacco, you are a fool.  The guy is in his 8th year, and its the same exact thing he has issues with.  I don't care much about Flacco, I care about our team winning the next Superbowl.   Joe with performance like this will never win another one.   

We've heard that last line before, he doesn't post here anymore

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

One player will consistently suck at our team.  Joe Flacco.   Highest paid player with the worst result.  

Wake up apologists, he isn't your 1st-year rookie anymore.   Hoping that we'd strike a lucky lottery and expect a 2012 playoff streaky performance will never happen again with Flacco.

Soon we move on from Dred Bledsoe 2.0, sooner we get another Superbowl #3 for the Ravens.

How many Super Bowls did Bledsoe carry his team to again? Oh...sorry, thought you had a point

[flynismo]

Was on okay game overall. Couple of picks. A lot of great throws under pressure. Haden and their front seven were outstanding today.

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

One player will consistently suck at our team.  Joe Flacco.   Highest paid player with the worst result.  

Wake up apologists, he isn't your 1st-year rookie anymore.   Hoping that we'd strike a lucky lottery and expect a 2012 playoff streaky performance will never happen again with Flacco.

Soon we move on from Dred Bledsoe 2.0, sooner we get another Superbowl #3 for the Ravens.

 

Really?              

 

[GrimCoconut]

OK. Who are we getting to replace Flacco? Even these highly coveted QBs didn't look all that great. Goff is eh and Wentz played one game so far. 

[usmccharles]

Don't feed the troll 

[3-4ravdef509]

Interceptions will happen. The first one was just a great defensive play. The second one was a bad throw or a badly run route combined with perriman getting schooled by an elite corner. 

 

The third almost int was Joe trying to hard to make a deep throw under extreme pressure. 

 

Joe was very aggressive yesterday. It paid off for the most part. Better to make mistakes now and have him and the team learn from them against these early opponents. 

[callahan09]

6 minutes ago, 3-4ravdef509 said:

Interceptions will happen. The first one was just a great defensive play. The second one was a bad throw or a badly run route combined with perriman getting schooled by an elite corner. 

 

The third almost int was Joe trying to hard to make a deep throw under extreme pressure. 

 

Joe was very aggressive yesterday. It paid off for the most part. Better to make mistakes now and have him and the team learn from them against these early opponents. 

I'd rather be aggressive and turn the ball over deep in our own territory occasionally, but put up 25 points, then to be conservative and put up 13 points.  Deep in your own territory turnovers aren't always that bad of a thing, actually.  They can be the equivalent of a punt or turnover on downs going for it on 4th down in your own territory.  The kind of plays where you are going for the throat, and instead of succeeding all the time, at least you're often only giving the opponent bad field position.  I'd rather be aggressive and move the ball 50 years, then turn it over deep in our own territory, than to be conservative and go three-and-out and punt.  And more often than that aggressiveness results in a turnover, hopefully it results in points instead!  I'm all for that kind of playcalling.  It really did pay off yesterday.  We moved the ball a lot and made up 25 points unanswered.  I'm happy with how the offense performed in the 2nd quarter through to the end, even though there was a second turnover in there.  It was a GREAT team performance all-around after the 1st quarter came to a close.

[Maryland]

12 hours ago, 3-4ravdef509 said:

Interceptions will happen. The first one was just a great defensive play. The second one was a bad throw or a badly run route combined with perriman getting schooled by an elite corner. 

The third almost int was Joe trying to hard to make a deep throw under extreme pressure. 

Joe was very aggressive yesterday. It paid off for the most part. Better to make mistakes now and have him and the team learn from them against these early opponents. 

In reference to the 3rd almost-INT, Joe has always had a penchant for chucking it deep for a jump-ball instead of taking a sack. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I think they dumped Torrey Smith and drafted Perriman for situations like this. Torrey would rarely break-up an INT, but Perriman has shown the ability to fight for 50/50 balls and break-up a would be INT (even though he failed to do that in the endzone on INT#2). We might be seeing more of these contested jump-balls, for better or worse. 

[BmoreBird22]

On 9/18/2016 at 0:16 AM, Maryland said:

Ben seems to have really improved himself after turning 30. His best season was at age 32.

Though, you could also attribute much of that to the team around him improving mightily with the rise of Brown and Bell, and the hiring of a new OC.

Tom Brady had arguably his greatest season in his age 30 campaign, eighth year.

That, however, was a direct result of bringing in Welker and Moss.

[Static]

Tired of the INTs.

[flynismo]

2 hours ago, Static said:

Tired of the INTs.

He currently ranks 17th all time in career interception ratio.  That's better than Peyton, Roethlisberger, Montana, Young, Marino, Brees -- and think, he was 4th best until the 2013 season dropped him.

http://www.footballdb.com/leaders/career-passing-intpct

So....only 16 quarterbacks to ever play throws INTs at a lower rate. Not 16 among current players...16 to ever play in the NFL has a better rate. Let that sink in, and then tell us about how he throws too many INTs. 

Pretty freaking amazing given how aggressive he is, and how often he throws deep to mediocre recievers.

Edited September 24, 2016 by flynismo

[Sami84]

watched the game again..

 

I dont know whos going to tell joe this but he did have guys open throughout AND can someone tell him that his footwork is among the worst of all QBS i've seen? can someone tell him that he can't throw off his back foot? That is a major issue.

[BmoreBird22]

42 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

watched the game again..

 

I dont know whos going to tell joe this but he did have guys open throughout AND can someone tell him that his footwork is among the worst of all QBS i've seen? can someone tell him that he can't throw off his back foot? That is a major issue.

I'm sure he did have open guys, but with the pass rush the way it was, it's hard to really be able to scan the field and find the open guys. Hell, with a collapsing pocket, it's hard to have the best mechanics.

HOWEVER, I have been harping on his mechanics and footwork all year. If he would just step into throws, the Ravens could probably be a lot more effective with YAC and have a few more completions. Tired of seeing all these worm burners.

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm sure he did have open guys, but with the pass rush the way it was, it's hard to really be able to scan the field and find the open guys. Hell, with a collapsing pocket, it's hard to have the best mechanics.

HOWEVER, I have been harping on his mechanics and footwork all year. If he would just step into throws, the Ravens could probably be a lot more effective with YAC and have a few more completions. Tired of seeing all these worm burners.

 

joe is stubborn though and i dont see it changing. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Sami84 said:

joe is stubborn though and i dont see it changing. 

I thought Morty M. was supposed to be excellent with working on mechanics. So far, so bad.

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought Morty M. was supposed to be excellent with working on mechanics. So far, so bad.

i dont think its even that..i think Joe just cant help it. It's part of his game, he's always done it but because the O line isnt great its become more and more prevalent. 

[Virginia 55]

Lets no sit here and act like Flacco is not a problem.  He is currently top three in Attempts. 13th in yards per game soon to be 14th, Eli hasn't played yet. A meger 4/4 touchdown to interception.  I won't even count his fumbles. A 79.3 Qbr  that's good for 34th in the league. A 6.3 yards per catch average (41st in the league). All of this and he has played some of the worst defenses the NFL has to offer.

 

Why cant we just admit that he needs to much to be great? We can't get him what he needs at the salary he commands. Flacco is an average QB and has been his whole career. In a passing league his numbers should be way better than that. Especially being in the top three in attempts. Now i guess its the lack of weapons and drops.....smh enough is enough.  

We are lackluster on offense and our games are painful to watch.  We don't have any superstars on this team.  Best players on this team Brandon Williams ,CJ Mosley, Yanda, Tucker, SSS (in his late thirties), Jernigan and Judon are beast (young and upcoming prospects) then everybody else. Suggs didn't get mentioned because his play is on the decline.  If we're honest with ourselves this is the only real talent that we have for the future. Yanda and SSS are getting older. 

[Dewy101]

17 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Lets no sit here and act like Flacco is not a problem.  He is currently top three in Attempts. 13th in yards per game soon to be 14th, Eli hasn't played yet. A meger 4/4 touchdown to interception.  I won't even count his fumbles. A 79.3 Qbr  that's good for 34th in the league. A 6.3 yards per catch average (41st in the league). All of this and he has played some of the worst defenses the NFL has to offer.

 

Why cant we just admit that he needs to much to be great? We can't get him what he needs at the salary he commands. Flacco is an average QB and has been his whole career. In a passing league his numbers should be way better than that. Especially being in the top three in attempts. Now i guess its the lack of weapons and drops.....smh enough is enough.  

We are lackluster on offense and our games are painful to watch.  We don't have any superstars on this team.  Best players on this team Brandon Williams ,CJ Mosley, Yanda, Tucker, SSS (in his late thirties), Jernigan and Judon are beast (young and upcoming prospects) then everybody else. Suggs didn't get mentioned because his play is on the decline.  If we're honest with ourselves this is the only real talent that we have for the future. Yanda and SSS are getting older. 

Watch the all 22 game tape and tell me Flacco is a bad QB. The receivers on our team wouldn't  even be starting on most other rosters. We probably have the worst WR core in the league(maybe the Rams may be worse but they do have a game breaker in Tavon Austin)  even the Browns have passed us in that category. 

[Sami84]

2 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Lets no sit here and act like Flacco is not a problem.  He is currently top three in Attempts. 13th in yards per game soon to be 14th, Eli hasn't played yet. A meger 4/4 touchdown to interception.  I won't even count his fumbles. A 79.3 Qbr  that's good for 34th in the league. A 6.3 yards per catch average (41st in the league). All of this and he has played some of the worst defenses the NFL has to offer.

 

Why cant we just admit that he needs to much to be great? We can't get him what he needs at the salary he commands. Flacco is an average QB and has been his whole career. In a passing league his numbers should be way better than that. Especially being in the top three in attempts. Now i guess its the lack of weapons and drops.....smh enough is enough.  

We are lackluster on offense and our games are painful to watch.  We don't have any superstars on this team.  Best players on this team Brandon Williams ,CJ Mosley, Yanda, Tucker, SSS (in his late thirties), Jernigan and Judon are beast (young and upcoming prospects) then everybody else. Suggs didn't get mentioned because his play is on the decline.  If we're honest with ourselves this is the only real talent that we have for the future. Yanda and SSS are getting older. 

 

i think we need to consider looking beyond flacco very very soon. He's cutleresque in my opinion. Not as much of a quitter as cutler but he's just not very good. When are we going to wake up and see hes too inconsistant of a QB to have this much money from our cap and making it next to impossible for us to lure free agents that are in their prime and can contribute. 

[Sami84]

34th worst QBR in the league.

throws off backfoot

bad accuracy down the sidelines with or without pressure

Awful pocket awareness on the Irvin sack.

Counted 4 underthrows including a pivotal one for pitta which was an easy throw with no pressure in face.

 

This team better rebound vs the redskins and put it ALL together OR this will def be the ''dark era'' which i discussed last year..0 cap space...older talent and no young superstars and a declining QB.

[Sami84]

next year we wont have many draft picks also and will have next to 0 cap room. Weddle will be older...webb too ( and with no obvious replacements)..

unless flacco can show that he can make simple throws in clutch situations consistantly we arent going to be a good team again until we clear flaccos cap and get a better QB in the draft along with a new and more creative coaching staff