Tracking Flacco's Progress

[jimmypowder]

Flacco should be 5-0 right now and thats all i really care about -WINS 

If Moore catches (why he was inactive this past week) the easy pass by Flacco against Oakland we are in field 

goal position. Tucker wins it. 

If Perriman catches just one of two passes that should have been Td's we win. 

We are always in the game at the end if Joe has the ball in his hands. 

 

 

 

 

[rmcjacket23]

38 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

"Floor" for average QB for 18m for whose standards?  Are you strictly looking at our options only from Free Agency?   

We can draft a QB.  How about that? 

Dak Prescott, Derek Carr gets how much on their rookie contract? Tell me.   If that is the case.   It won't be '$4mill' to build the offense.   

People can twist the story here and there.  

Bottom line: if you get paid elite money,  you need to carry your weight.   Don't expect our offense to look any better carrying Flacco contract from here on out.

That's the non-rookie market for QBs. 

Sure we could draft a QB... but why did you only mention the good one's? You are aware that many, many, many 1st round or  worse QBs really, really, really suck in the NFL? What makes you think we won't end up with Blaine Gabbert? Pretty ridiculous assumption to think good QBs grow on trees coming out of college. 

If we want to play the "twist the story game", you can start listing all the good drafted QBs recently you want... I'll start listing all the bad one's. Want to play the game to see who's list is longer?

I'm certainly up to the challenge if you are... just begin anytime you want. 

Its called the "lets go to the draft and coin flip for our franchise QB game". 

Better off playing the lotto and hoping to hit it rich. Gotta come out of fantasy land sometime. Go ask the Jets, Bills, Browns, etc. how they feel about drafting QBs.

Edited October 12, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's the non-rookie market for QBs. 

Sure we could draft a QB... but why did you only mention the good one's? You are aware that many, many, many 1st round or  worse QBs really, really, really suck in the NFL? What makes you think we won't end up with Blaine Gabbert? Pretty ridiculous assumption to think good QBs grow on trees coming out of college. 

If we want to play the "twist the story game", you can start listing all the good drafted QBs recently you want... I'll start listing all the bad one's. Want to play the game to see who's list is longer?

I'm certainly up to the challenge if you are... just begin anytime you want. 

Its called the "lets go to the draft and coin flip for our franchise QB game". 

Better off playing the lotto and hoping to hit it rich. Gotta come out of fantasy land sometime. Go ask the Jets, Bills, Browns, etc. how they feel about drafting QBs.

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they could have flacco and i assure you they wouldnt be making the playoffs either.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Sami84 said:

they could have flacco and i assure you they wouldnt be making the playoffs either.

Maybe, maybe not. There's also nothing great about a lot of their rosters either, which is more of the problem.

But those teams have quite literally been drafting QBs every 3-5 years for basically decades now. Still waiting to get an "average" QB like Joe. When they do, watch how fast they write the $20M check.

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Hot rum said:

    So first your statement about doing you a favor... well you missed it. 120 million at that time the highest paid quarterback ever. I thought this forum was called tracking Joe's progress,not worship the ground he walks on. Listen when you want to have a real conversation and not some delusional "Joe Flacco is a steal  at 120 million" I'll talk to you. Come back down to earth Joe is decent. By no stretch of the imagination should he ever be making more money than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or... the list goes on, get real dude.

 

2 hours ago, Hot rum said:

I just want to clarify I was speaking towards elite I feel like he's a better quarterback then the people you named above but.. Elite?. So try this name two elite quarterbacks and then put Joes  name next to them I'll do it first Brady, Montana. I put Joe's name next to Brady, Montana... it doesn't belong there yet.

Now you want to clarify? LOL. 

My entire point was very simple. You know nothing about the guy you say you are defending. Your words here, not mine:

"he got a great arm,has a Super Bowl ring,and he was damn near perfect  during the Super Bowl playoff run other than that I have no more."

If that's all you think Flacco has to show for his 8 years in the league, you are clueless. Suck it up buttercup, and start paying attention. He is an absolute steal at $120M

Elite is a buzzword that blowhard fans use to rate players they know nothing about other than a stat line. You say he's not elite, other people do. Neither of you are right or wrong, because everyone has different definitions.

 

7 hours ago, flynismo said:

If that's all you really got, do us all a favor and stop defending him to other people, and start paying attention to what goes on the field. When you start doing that, you'll come to the same conclusion that anyone with a modicum of common sense and a basic level of understanding of football -- in or out of Baltimore -- comes to: Flacco is a steal at $120M.

 

Edited October 12, 2016 by flynismo

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Maybe, maybe not. There's also nothing great about a lot of their rosters either, which is more of the problem.

But those teams have quite literally been drafting QBs every 3-5 years for basically decades now. Still waiting to get an "average" QB like Joe. When they do, watch how fast they write the $20M check.

 

maybe it wasnt Joe...maybe its because we actualy built a really good O line. lets be honest outside of ogden who was in on our O line before flacco arrived? some ok players..Mulitalo was a solid player but everywhere else was meh. It was only when we invested in Grubbs Yanda Birk etc that we had a really good O line.

that combined with an elite D filled with high IQ players meant we only needed a game manager and flacco was that. We could have won with average QB's during this period.

 

[OUravensfan]

9 hours ago, Sami84 said:

so i guess people are going to refer to his magic run in 2012 post season forever? so basically by the time he contract is done with we'll likely have had 8 seasons and no playoffs. I'd like to point out we needed kansas to do us a favor in 2014. could so easily have been 4 straight years.

btw we aint making the playoffs again this year.

so that will be 4 out of 5

but in 2019 when it's 6 out of 7 all the flacco apologists will still refer to how he isnt the problem.

Would you hold Ben to the same standard when they shouldn't have made it last year because the Jets, shouldn't have won vs the Bengals but there was BS officiating, or losing to Tim Tebow period?

you probably don't 

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

Flacco should be 5-0 right now and thats all i really care about -WINS 

If Moore catches (why he was inactive this past week) the easy pass by Flacco against Oakland we are in field 

goal position. Tucker wins it. 

If Perriman catches just one of two passes that should have been Td's we win. 

We are always in the game at the end if Joe has the ball in his hands. 

 

 

 

 

Always are. I'm actually confused what game people are watching sometimes. 

[Tank 92]

I think Flacco has progressed remarkably well and the blind will be able to see the same very soon. 

[OUravensfan]

13 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I think Flacco has progressed remarkably well and the blind will be able to see the same very soon. 

5-0 if passes are caught

Which doesn't excuse bad offense but does infer he still has the clutch gene, it's the NFL, the defense is gonna win sometimes.

Edited October 12, 2016 by OUravensfan

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

maybe it wasnt Joe...maybe its because we actualy built a really good O line. lets be honest outside of ogden who was in on our O line before flacco arrived? some ok players..Mulitalo was a solid player but everywhere else was meh. It was only when we invested in Grubbs Yanda Birk etc that we had a really good O line.

that combined with an elite D filled with high IQ players meant we only needed a game manager and flacco was that. We could have won with average QB's during this period.

 

An average QB wasn't winning the SB in 2012 though, because a lot of the things you are referencing didn't exist on that team. Certainly didn't have a dominant Oline that year, definitely didn't have anything resembling a dominant defense, especially with all the injuries.

We won in 2008-2010 primarily because of our defense and running game. Nobody thinks either of those things were the biggest contributors to the 2011 and 2012 seasons, which were probably two of the more successful seasons in franchise history. Average QBs weren't winning with those teams.

[Hot rum]

15 hours ago, flynismo said:

Well I wouldn't have to clarify if you read my point.Let me make it simply for you Joe flaaco is good but not better than the rest since you dont like the word elite. What was the word you used...oh yes "buttercup " lol dude take it easy lets stick to critiquing flaaco or in your case continue puting him on a pedestal. Are you a true  fan that fat pay check  you claim we were lucky to snag him with threw our team into turmoil he just isnt worth that check my opinion. I hope one day he does elevate his game to be mentioned amongst the greatest to play the game but he is not even close now

Now you want to clarify? LOL. 

My entire point was very simple. You know nothing about the guy you say you are defending. Your words here, not mine:

"he got a great arm,has a Super Bowl ring,and he was damn near perfect  during the Super Bowl playoff run other than that I have no more."

If that's all you think Flacco has to show for his 8 years in the league, you are clueless. Suck it up buttercup, and start paying attention. He is an absolute steal at $120M

 

 

Elite is a buzzword that blowhard fans use to rate players they know nothing about other than a stat line. You say he's not elite, other people do. Neither of you are right or wrong, because everyone has different 

[Rav'n Maniac]

6 hours ago, Hot rum said:

 

Elite is a buzzword that blowhard fans use to rate players they know nothing about other than a stat line. You say he's not elite, other people do. Neither of you are right or wrong, because everyone has different 

Come on man. You're leaving us hanging here. Everyone wants to know "has different _________" what?

[frozen joe flacco fan]

19 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

Flacco should be 5-0 right now and thats all i really care about -WINS 

If Moore catches (why he was inactive this past week) the easy pass by Flacco against Oakland we are in field 

goal position. Tucker wins it. 

If Perriman catches just one of two passes that should have been Td's we win. 

We are always in the game at the end if Joe has the ball in his hands. 

 

 

 

 

BINGO! BTW, Joe Flacco is ranked #5 among all NFL QBs this year in picking up blitzes and we all know there have been a few. His % is 62% while the league average is 57.5%. If he had a decent O-line in front of him and a Head Coach who knows the Xs and Os of the game and one who doesn't panic in the 1st half of games, we'd be 5 - 0. That's the stark, cold reality!

[VermontRaven]

6 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

If he had a decent O-line in front of him and a Head Coach who knows the Xs and Os of the game and one who doesn't panic in the 1st half of games, we'd be 5 - 0.

I'm hoping that should be "Offensive Coordinator" and that now we have improved there.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

At some point, Joe has to be held accountable for this offense.

There were many times today, that Joe had tunnel vision on his primary receiver, not even scanning the field for better options.

There were other times, he flat out threw horrible not even close balls, or rushed a throw.

I would like to see some head fakes, pump fakes, looking off the safety, and at the 2nd receiver first, then hitting the primary in stride.

 

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

At some point, Joe has to be held accountable for this offense.

There were many times today, that Joe had tunnel vision on his primary receiver, not even scanning the field for better options.

There were other times, he flat out threw horrible not even close balls, or rushed a throw.

I would like to see some head fakes, pump fakes, looking off the safety, and at the 2nd receiver first, then hitting the primary in stride.

 

Is he still accountable if those two penalties against Wallace on those bombs result in TDs, and as a result we end up with 37 points instead of 23?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

If we were smart, we would draft a Dak Prescott tyoe, which may be an Aaron Rogers type holding the clipboard. Joe is no spring chicken anymore, and at this point, I seriously wonder is there any more upside? Or is this the best Joe there is, for 120 mil? How much does he prepare to better himself? 

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

If we were smart, we would draft a Dak Prescott tyoe, which may be an Aaron Rogers type holding the clipboard. Joe is no spring chicken anymore, and at this point, I seriously wonder is there any more upside? Or is this the best Joe there is, for 120 mil? How much does he prepare to better himself? 

If those two penalties against Wallace on those bombs result in TDs, and as a result we end up with 37 points instead of 23, how much more upside do you want?

[OUravensfan]

40 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Is he still accountable if those two penalties against Wallace on those bombs result in TDs, and as a result we end up with 37 points instead of 23?

He's always unlucky with that and getting down to the goalline where we have a rushing TD instead. Gronk would of scored when Pitta caught that ball on the 1 and was tackled

Edited October 16, 2016 by OUravensfan

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

He's always unlucky with that and getting down to the goalline where we have a rushing TD instead. Gronk would of scored when Pitta caught that ball on the 1 and was tackled

That's kind of my point...some people try to label those as "excuses" though. Guys around him are the problem, not him.

[playlikeawhat]

On 10/12/2016 at 7:32 PM, OUravensfan said:

5-0 if passes are caught

Which doesn't excuse bad offense but does infer he still has the clutch gene, it's the NFL, the defense is gonna win sometimes.

Thank you.  Any fan want to remind us when Joe failed to win with a Megatron, Marvin Harrison, or OBJ-type receiver on this team?  The way fans complain you'd swear we had an elite receiving tandem Joe's entire time here.

[Maryland]

6 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

At some point, Joe has to be held accountable for this offense.

There were many times today, that Joe had tunnel vision on his primary receiver, not even scanning the field for better options.

There were other times, he flat out threw horrible not even close balls, or rushed a throw.

I would like to see some head fakes, pump fakes, looking off the safety, and at the 2nd receiver first, then hitting the primary in stride.

Not really sure how anyone can argue /w your observations here. Yes, there are drops from WRs, OL struggles, and penalties all over the place to make life difficult for Joe, but it's a fact that sometimes he locks-on to his first read and then forces a throw. And it's a fact that some of his passes (especially to end the game) were off the mark, likely due to poor mechanics--a problem he's had all year. Plus the way he ran the hurry-up offense with little urgency rubbed me the wrong way. And he really needs to be able to read that a 7-man blitz is coming and get the ball to his hot receiver. Ravens have many problems apart from Joe, but Joe himself isn't beyond reproach because of these other issues.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Maryland

[flynismo]

Okay, let's try this approach.

When Flacco tore the league a new one during his historic postseason and Super Bowl MVP performance, what did he do differently then that he's doing now?

Nothing. The difference is, the OL did a great job in pass pro, and WRs caught the perfectly thrown passes. Flacco also had some poor throws during that stretch and forced throws. The difference is, the people around him did their jobs.

[Ravenseconbeast]

8 hours ago, flynismo said:

 

Wonderful. This OL is going to destroy Flacco's body and career.

 

Dont worry.  Flacco's accuracy isn't going to get any worse.   Don't let his Trent Edwards short 1yard throws fool you.   

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Dont worry.  Flacco's accuracy isn't going to get any worse.   Don't let his Trent Edwards short 1yard throws fool you.   

NFL records

• First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
• Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
• Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
• Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
• Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons^[54]
• Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)^[39]
• Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)^[40]
• First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason^[4]
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
• Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
• Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Ravens franchise records

• Most career passing yards – 25,531
• Most career pass completions – 2,213
• Most career passing touchdowns – 148
• Most regular-season wins – 72
• Most postseason wins – 10
• Most consecutive pass completions: 21 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars on September 25, 2016 ^[58]
• Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)^[57]
• Most 300+ passing-yard games in career by a starting QB – 16^[57]
• Highest completion percentage in a single season – 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)^[57]
• Highest career quarterback rating – 84.8^[57]
• Highest single-season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)^[57]
• Most times sacked in a career for a starting QB – 241^[57]
• Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 10 (2012) (16 starts)^[57]
• Most career fourth-quarter comeback wins – 14^[57]
• Most career game-winning drives – 21^[57]
• Most game-winning drives in a single season – 4 (2010) (tied with Elvis Grbac)^[57]

Edited October 20, 2016 by flynismo

[K-Dog]

5 minutes ago, flynismo said:

NFL records

• First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
• Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
• Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
• Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
• Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons^[54]
• Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)^[39]
• Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)^[40]
• First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason^[4]
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
• Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
• Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Ravens franchise records

• Most career passing yards – 25,531
• Most career pass completions – 2,213
• Most career passing touchdowns – 148
• Most regular-season wins – 72
• Most postseason wins – 10
• Most consecutive pass completions: 21 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars on September 25, 2016 ^[58]
• Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)^[57]
• Most 300+ passing-yard games in career by a starting QB – 16^[57]
• Highest completion percentage in a single season – 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)^[57]
• Highest career quarterback rating – 84.8^[57]
• Highest single-season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)^[57]
• Most times sacked in a career for a starting QB – 241^[57]
• Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 10 (2012) (16 starts)^[57]
• Most career fourth-quarter comeback wins – 14^[57]
• Most career game-winning drives – 21^[57]
• Most game-winning drives in a single season – 4 (2010) (tied with Elvis Grbac)^[57]

Bust.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, K-Dog said:

Bust.

Nah, expectations were never really that high for Ravensconbeast, can't really call him a bust when he's doing what you expect.

Edited October 20, 2016 by flynismo

[Ravenseconbeast]

30 minutes ago, flynismo said:

NFL records

• First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
• Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)
• Most wins by a quarterback in first seven seasons: 72 (regular season only)
• Second-most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
• Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons^[54]
• Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)^[39]
• Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)^[40]
• First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason^[4]
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 8
• Most consecutive playoff games with at least three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least one passing touchdown: 7 (tied with Donovan McNabb and Brett Favre)
• Most consecutive road playoff games with at least two passing touchdowns: 5
• Fastest quarterback to record five touchdowns in a game: 16:03
• Most road playoff wins for a quarterback: 7 (tied with Eli Manning)

Ravens franchise records

• Most career passing yards – 25,531
• Most career pass completions – 2,213
• Most career passing touchdowns – 148
• Most regular-season wins – 72
• Most postseason wins – 10
• Most consecutive pass completions: 21 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars on September 25, 2016 ^[58]
• Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)^[57]
• Most 300+ passing-yard games in career by a starting QB – 16^[57]
• Highest completion percentage in a single season – 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)^[57]
• Highest career quarterback rating – 84.8^[57]
• Highest single-season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)^[57]
• Most times sacked in a career for a starting QB – 241^[57]
• Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 10 (2012) (16 starts)^[57]
• Most career fourth-quarter comeback wins – 14^[57]
• Most career game-winning drives – 21^[57]
• Most game-winning drives in a single season – 4 (2010) (tied with Elvis Grbac)^[57]

You can pretty much cross off any ravens franchise records b/c Flacco has been in Ravens uniform longer than any QB ravens ever had.  He should have all records beaten by now.

And team records cross those off too.  

How short does your 'list' gets after that when comparing it to other QBs?   Don't go berserk and result to insulting folks.   Just answer the questions.  Thanks!

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

You can pretty much cross off any ravens franchise records b/c Flacco has been in Ravens uniform longer than any QB ravens ever had.  He should have all records beaten by now.

And team records cross those off too.  

How short does your 'list' gets after that when comparing it to other QBs?   Don't go berserk and result to insulting folks.   Just answer the questions.  Thanks!

Aw, so you don't want to count team records because he is by far the best and most successful QB this franchise has ever had? LOL! Okay sport, that was unfair of me.

Why should I not count his wins? Aren't you one of the first people to blame him when we lose? LOL again!

If you want to skew the FACTS to make whatever deluded argument you feel like making, go right ahead. I gave you the list. Now cross out all the records that he broke that you don't want people to acknowledge, and lets see what's left.