[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Flying Under National Radar, And That's A Good Thing

[BR News]

Playing in the shadows of more attention-grabbing games allows the Ravens to work through some kinks and knock some rust off without a national spotlight.

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[Wildwest Raven]

I agree, let's keep honing our skills, behind the scenes, continuing with revenge on the Browns for beating us last year...

[kbman]

Having watched the Ravens since their first season, I believe that this is the strongest, most balanced team they have ever fielded. If they can avoid significant injuries I see them competing for a first round bye.

[fluffy201]

Having watched the Ravens since their first season, I believe that this is the strongest, most balanced team they have ever fielded. If they can avoid significant injuries I see them competing for a first round bye.

That's extremely optimistic opinion. Lets ponder that prediction after they have played at least 8 games.

[terpmaniac]

We have Cleveland coming up a game we should win. Ravens always play down to the competition. We have done it since day one of the Harbaugh era. That HAS GOT TO STOP!

[kbman]

  27 minutes ago, kbman said:

Having watched the Ravens since their first season, I believe that this is the strongest, most balanced team they have ever fielded. If they can avoid significant injuries I see them competing for a first round bye.

That's extremely optimistic opinion. Lets ponder that prediction after they have played at least 8 games.

Last year's team had enough talent to have various analysts predict they would go to the SB. After the spate of injuries and one-score losses, they drafted high in the draft and used their picks well. Both Stanley and Lewis look to be the real deal. And if Dixon can return to the kind of production he had prior to his injury, that will represent an upgrade as well. Meanwhile the defense is healthier and faster than last year by far. Last year they had no deep threat. This year they have Wallace, Perriman, and Moore. Last year the back end of the defense was woeful. This year they have Weddell calling the shots and Webb bringing his CB experience to safety.
Optimistic? Perhaps. But if last year's opening day team was good enough to have Super Bowl mentions, then I feel that optimism is warranted.

[dirtybird66]

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

[hen826957]

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

I think you wanna the offense to be perfect. We're not perfect. Elite or not Joe always have us in a position to win games. The defense didn't carry us in the Super Bowl run Joe did. It feels like you are a stat guy and that's what elite means to you. That's why you want us to signed Brees when he was a free agent. Even though he put impressive stats he not winning football games. He average 7-8 wins a year. What Elite means to me is to make plays in clutch situations, winning in the playoffs, and always give us a chance to win not stats.

[whobilly]

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

I agree with you on the old and grumpy statement.

[eze17]

I always liked Hunter S. Thompson's take on the Ravens: They're like tar babies. It's like you've run into a river of molasses. They hang around and beat you, and opponents leave the stadium wondering what just happened. Of course, Dr. Gonzo also said they should be dis-banded because they wreak havoc on the point spread and caused great agony to all professional gamblers...

[whobilly]

  1 hour ago, fluffy201 said:

  1 hour ago, kbman said:

Having watched the Ravens since their first season, I believe that this is the strongest, most balanced team they have ever fielded. If they can avoid significant injuries I see them competing for a first round bye.

That's extremely optimistic opinion. Lets ponder that prediction after they have played at least 8 games.

Last year's team had enough talent to have various analysts predict they would go to the SB. After the spate of injuries and one-score losses, they drafted high in the draft and used their picks well. Both Stanley and Lewis look to be the real deal. And if Dixon can return to the kind of production he had prior to his injury, that will represent an upgrade as well. Meanwhile the defense is healthier and faster than last year by far. Last year they had no deep threat. This year they have Wallace, Perriman, and Moore. Last year the back end of the defense was woeful. This year they have Weddell calling the shots and Webb bringing his CB experience to safety.
Optimistic? Perhaps. But if last year's opening day team was good enough to have Super Bowl mentions, then I feel that optimism is warranted.

Love your optimism but can we agree to wait until the halfway mark?

[Peej]

We have Cleveland coming up a game we should win. Ravens always play down to the competition. We have done it since day one of the Harbaugh era. That HAS GOT TO STOP!

terpmaniac, I recall the mid 2000s when we had one of the elite defenses and yet never won it all.

You say the Ravens play down to the competition, but did you ever think that the worst NFL team IS STILL one of the 32 best football teams in the world? If a team knows it's not where it would like to be, then individual pride and professionalism take over.

When McCown went crazy last year, it might have been because the Cleveland O-line (with a couple of Pro Bowlers) decided to step it up against a D that had so many injuries! Maybe Cleveland (and other teams) played above themselves!

[PalmBayRaven]

  33 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

I think you wanna the offense to be perfect. We're not perfect. Elite or not Joe always have us in a position to win games. The defense didn't carry us in the Super Bowl run Joe did. It feels like you are a stat guy and that's what elite means to you. That's why you want us to signed Brees when he was a free agent. Even though he put impressive stats he not winning football games. He average 7-8 wins a year. What Elite means to me is to make plays in clutch situations, winning in the playoffs, and always give us a chance to win not stats.

I can see where your coming from and I agree. Joe does not always have us in a position to win the game. The playoffs in 2014 and that throw to Torrey which was intercepted didn't need to happen. We had timeouts and a little time to work with and one throw for all the marbles didn't work. Sometimes I feel he doesn't know how to read Defensive coverage. Those back foot lobs and under throws kill me. I like Joe and every year I expect it to be the year and yet it doesn't happen, why? To me an elite QB is a General out there and goes to work. Joe does not do that even now with the fire power we have on Offense. It really was quite deflating after all the hooplah about our weapons. Quarterback Whisperer Mark Trestman? Hello, it's Cam Cameron deja vu all over again. Joe started 11 games last year and we lost most of those with him. Just sick of the Offense not playing up to their potential. Right now I feel we are paying Joe elite money but not seeing it on the field. Hope that changes, I really do. I like Joe and I get tired of the Fluko comments but until he really leads us then the comments will continue.

[eze17]

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

Sorry your frustrated...Maybe you should be an Eagles or Browns or Bengals fan, cause they know REAL frustration. The Raven's, on the other hand, have won TWO Super Bowls in the last fifteen years. And yes, that horrible QB named Flacco was the MVP of one of them. And i'm sure your right that Johnson, who has been a journyman QB that has a down right deplorable record as a starting QB in the league would be a stud if he was the Raven's QB. I'm also positive that if Flacco was to all of a sudden be on the market, all the other teams would pass on him as a "mediocre" QB ( I can think of at least twenty teams that would make him the richest player in the league if he'd sign with them)...and as far as Brees, he's got the same amount of rings as Flacco and not nearly as many play-off wins, so why do you think he would have done any better, other than maybe have better regular season stats, if he was with the Raven's?

[FloridalovesRavens]

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

Flacco is coming off one of the worst injuries in sports and it will take time with all the new players to gel. You are not only old and grumpy but have a convenient memory loss as well. This team in their 20 year history has won 2 SBs and numerous playoff games by mediocre players (according to you). No one is asking you to wait around for anything or anybody. Watch Brees play and I really don't see where he is any better than what we have. Go Ravens.

[ellicottraven]

It would be nice for the spotlight to find us if it can ever get away from shining bright on NE, PIttsburgh, Seattle and GB for no reason at all.

[ravenscavecreek]

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

troll

[balfan23]

14 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

It would be nice for the spotlight to find us if it can ever get away from shining bright on NE, PIttsburgh, Seattle and GB for no reason at all.

Well - I wouldn't say no reason at all. NE is historically good right now. What Bellichick does with that team is nothing short of miraculous. He is on his way to being the kind of coach that is talked about for decades. GB and Pittsburgh built a fan base from the 60s and 70s dynasties respectively and in recent years have been very consistent contenders. 

The one I'd question is Seattle. IMO, their current run is no better than ours had been and both teams were a defensive dominated group. I'm not sure what has brought the spotlight on them more than it ever was for us. Market size is a huge factor in coverage, so maybe that is where that lies. 

I do feel like it took many years of being a SB contender and then finally winning it all to get the football world to recognize that we were at least relevant. That went down the tubes almost instantly ... basically from the moment we didn't even get to celebrate our championship with a home game and got torched by the Broncos in the opener in the following season. A reputation that took years to build was gone in a flash. It will take years again for it to be regained. That's just how it works for small market teams that don't have that flash. 

[ellicottraven]

I like what John Harbaugh said in one of his pressers. We are now 0-0 heading into Cleveland. No matter what happens we need to come back 1-0. This is much better than breaking the season into quarters. Take it one game at a time, one play at a time and win your battles. The record will take care of itself. Let's go get this W over Cleveland.

[KidNme]

Joe is always going to be Joe. Not Elite but not too bad. I do get frustrated sometimes with his low throws and indecision when the pocket starts to collapse because there's times when he just throws it away (Like I think he should) and others when he stands there and takes a sack however, we do have a lot of talent on this team this year and I believe that we'll do a heck of a lot better than 5-11. We'll see once we play a couple good teams and how we respond to better players. Our D line just smothered the RB on many occasions Sunday and that gives me hope for the season. When we get that kind of penetration, it puts luck on your side a lot more.
We have a softer schedule in the 1st half so that bodes well for our guys to grow so we should have a good idea by the Bye week on whether we should be able to hang with the big dogs. It's the 2nd half that our guys are going to have to dig a bit more and I think they will.
GO RAVENS!

[eze17]

It would be nice for the spotlight to find us if it can ever get away from shining bright on NE, PIttsburgh, Seattle and GB for no reason at all.

Why? The Raven's seem to do great when the national coverage either ignores them or downright criticizes them. (think Skip Bayless determined that the Raven's would positively lose their next game when we won the Super Bowl) Let's rejoice in being the not-so-flashy underdogs that some people love to hate...

[Obie]

The only thing holding joe/Ravens back is trestman, period.

[Purple Dawg 96]

The Ravens are respected in this league no doubt but if you want the "Juice" you gotta earn that! FLATOUT! But like I said before keep your chapstick ready for when they start "KISSING" up to us! WE THE BEST!

[DBsRAVENS]

We have Cleveland coming up a game we should win. Ravens always play down to the competition. We have done it since day one of the Harbaugh era. That HAS GOT TO STOP!

I thought it was just me. I agree 100%. That whole playing not to loose attitude has to change to, playing to win!.

[20306cab]

Some good comments here, however;
1. "The spotlight shines on NE, PIT, SEA and GB for NO REASON."
2. "ONLY Trestman is holding back Joe."
3. "Watch Brees play, and I don't see anything better than what we have."
4. "When McCown went crazy last year, it was because the Ravens D had so many injuries." ?? Suggs?
5. "We get mentioned about twice a season on Total Access." I get it, an exaggeration, but juvenile.
6. "I believe this is the strongest team they have ever fielded."
7. And of course, the all encompassing phrase when someone posts something one disagrees with, "Maybe you should be an Eagles, Browns or Bengals fan.
As usual, the excuse machine, Purple Koolaid, inferiority complex and paranoia is running rampant.

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, eze17 said:

Why? The Raven's seem to do great when the national coverage either ignores them or downright criticizes them. (think Skip Bayless determined that the Raven's would positively lose their next game when we won the Super Bowl) Let's rejoice in being the not-so-flashy underdogs that some people love to hate...

I can't man. I am just too vain for that.

[PalmBayRaven]

  5 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

Flacco is coming off one of the worst injuries in sports and it will take time with all the new players to gel. You are not only old and grumpy but have a convenient memory loss as well. This team in their 20 year history has won 2 SBs and numerous playoff games by mediocre players (according to you). No one is asking you to wait around for anything or anybody. Watch Brees play and I really don't see where he is any better than what we have. Go Ravens.

What accounts for the slow starts and the offense becoming non-existent prior to the injury? Maybe the word should be Poise or lack there of? I really don't know what it is with this team and Offense? Yes, we have won Super Bowls. One with one of the greatest Defenses of all time and the other after firing Offensive coordinator and a lot of luck. The lack of offensive production got him fired to begin with and still haven't fixed it in 4years. Joe is the common denominator.

[PalmBayRaven]

  5 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

Flacco is coming off one of the worst injuries in sports and it will take time with all the new players to gel. You are not only old and grumpy but have a convenient memory loss as well. This team in their 20 year history has won 2 SBs and numerous playoff games by mediocre players (according to you). No one is asking you to wait around for anything or anybody. Watch Brees play and I really don't see where he is any better than what we have. Go Ravens.

Elite players lead. Dan Marino's knees were totally shot yet he lead his team to victory consistently. Joe Namath, maybe before your time again Knees totally shot lead his team to victory. Joe's knee I am guessing here is in better shape than those two guys. Johnny Unitas's knees were shot for that matter. No excuses for mental errors.

[dirtybird66]

  6 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

first off,I've watched NFL TOTAL ACCESS for years and we get mentioned about twice a season,the SKINS and BROWNS,about twice a show.secondly,why were we told how well our offensive players were doing and WATCH OUT! for our new DYNAMIC,QUICK passing game,were they mistaken and really were watching PITTSBURG? FLACCO played slow and indisisive as you'd think WENTZ would of.FLACCO showed every reason why fans have been frustrated for many years,including the SUPERBOWL run where other than a few games he didn't play all that well,again it was mostly our defense that carried us.then a guy comes in like JOSH JOHNSON,quick,decisive and accurate,yeah against second team players,but not always,remember? the traits listed above carried over every snap,of course he's gone and were left with two of the same QB.'S to me FLACCO was only great when they just let him manage games,like a ALEX SMITH type,left on his own he's indicisive and a mediocre mid of the pack qb.as the numbers show,ELITE? never,I know all the fans are wrong and the RAVENS are always right.i don't see where he's elite enough to make up for a now less than all pro offensive line we gambled away.i often wondered if we took a chance on BREES when few teams wouldn't on his shoulder where we'd be the last few years.yes,i'm old and grumpy,mabey i don't have the time to wait around to see the improvment thats always promised,buts always the same,mediocre QB. play.

I think you wanna the offense to be perfect. We're not perfect. Elite or not Joe always have us in a position to win games. The defense didn't carry us in the Super Bowl run Joe did. It feels like you are a stat guy and that's what elite means to you. That's why you want us to signed Brees when he was a free agent. Even though he put impressive stats he not winning football games. He average 7-8 wins a year. What Elite means to me is to make plays in clutch situations, winning in the playoffs, and always give us a chance to win not stats.

yeah,you are right on that,i guess i just get frustrated every time we are supposed to be better and wish he could carry us more.we score then go into lull and its always so close,my heart can't take it,i'm too old,lol

[dirtybird66]

I always liked Hunter S. Thompson's take on the Ravens: They're like tar babies. It's like you've run into a river of molasses. They hang around and beat you, and opponents leave the stadium wondering what just happened. Of course, Dr. Gonzo also said they should be dis-banded because they wreak havoc on the point spread and caused great agony to all professional gamblers...

funny,they do seem to beat up on teams,the next week the team we played always has lots of injuries,i like your analagy,funny.