Kamalei Correa - thoughts

[rossihunter2]

it is funny how all these things come around in the draft as a whole

initially we heard two things - that this was a deep draft at certain positions and that there was a distinct top 5-6 players in the draft who were above

then we started focusing on the depth ourselves and almost talked our way out of certain players - especially pass rushers - it's funny because we talked ourselves into thinking players like bosa who a lot of people thought would never be amazing just solid, and ramsey who everyone thought was a slam dunk playmaker were just that - going against the initial impressions of bosa being watt-esque and the idea that you should never really take a cb that high

this is coming to fruition for a lot of teams around the league - it almost seems like the 3-5th rounds were more fruitful this year than the 2nd round and late 1st which is bizarre

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I think the reason people (myself included) are critical of the Correa pick is because we passed on prospects who are producing right now, call it unrealistic or harsh but people want immediate validation that we made the right pick and right now he's not a proven commodity. 

This I agree with that.  I don't even follow college football but guys like Spence, Ngoukoue, Cravens all interested me more.  I don't know what cravens has done, I feel like there was another. 

[ALPHA]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it is funny how all these things come around in the draft as a whole

initially we heard two things - that this was a deep draft at certain positions and that there was a distinct top 5-6 players in the draft who were above

then we started focusing on the depth ourselves and almost talked our way out of certain players - especially pass rushers - it's funny because we talked ourselves into thinking players like bosa who a lot of people thought would never be amazing just solid, and ramsey who everyone thought was a slam dunk playmaker were just that - going against the initial impressions of bosa being watt-esque and the idea that you should never really take a cb that high

this is coming to fruition for a lot of teams around the league - it almost seems like the 3-5th rounds were more fruitful this year than the 2nd round and late 1st which is bizarre

I try to spot trends and see if or how much they change year to year, for example this year we're seeing a continuation of the trend where the best linemen are technicians from pro-style offenses ie Conklin, Whitehair and Taylor Decker. Stanley probably makes that list if injuries hadn't slowed him down.

Anyways, back to Correa. In a redraft we have to go with Whitehair, he helps us this season and the next 10.

[ALPHA]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

This I agree with that.  I don't even follow college football but guys like Spence, Ngoukoue, Cravens all interested me more.  I don't know what cravens has done, I feel like there was another. 

I've heard a lot of early hype about Cravens being really good in coverage, it's a tricky skill to remain consistent at but a valuable one if he does. 

[ludy51]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Spence has 5.5 sacks, 3 [profanity deleted], 1 PD, 13 solo tackles. 

Excuse me?

[Moderator 3]

1 minute ago, ludy51 said:

Excuse me?

Guessing a typo or abbreviation issue.  

[allblackraven]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Excuse me?

forced fumbles, not sure why would FF be filtered

 

[ludy51]

Just now, Moderator 3 said:

Guessing a typo or abbreviation issue.  

lol I figured. 

Always funny to see the profanity filter in the middle of a completely normal sentence like that

[Moderator 3]

Just now, allblackraven said:

forced fumbles, not sure why would FF be filtered

 

It obviously isn't since you typed it.  

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

It obviously isn't since you typed it.  

[profanity deleted]

Add an S to the end and it turns into an abbreviation for a certain saying.

[allblackraven]

Just now, Moderator 3 said:

It obviously isn't since you typed it.  

Yeah, he must have [profanity deleted] abbreviation

[Moderator 3]

Okay, enough testing of the filter in a football thread.  Back on topic, please.

[kjbmore]

28 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Okay, enough testing of the filter in a football thread.  Back on topic, please.

You mods do such a good job, they could use you over at the Patriots forum - going to town on each other over there, no filters, no nothing

Back on topic - the analogy that we don't get Dixon if we don't take Correa makes this pick a lot easier to swallow.

Edited December 8, 2016 by kjbmore

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

You mods do such a good job, they could use you over at the Patriots forum - going to town on each other over there, no filters, no nothing

Back on topic - the analogy that we don't get Dixon if we don't take Correa makes this pick a lot easier to swallow.

dont forget judon

[Edgar]

9 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

I know you're not implying that they should have went with either one, but to me this is no longer an issue.  The Ravens ended up picking up an extra 4th rounder and the 5th rounder in their trade backs instead of drafting Spence.

This is significant right now to me for two reasons.  The 5th rounder obviously became Matt Judon who is performing well, especially under limited snaps.  No argument can me made, to me, for taking Spence when we got a pretty decent pass rusher anyway.  As of now, we simply have another player who may or may not also contribute, but if he doesn't we at worst still got a good pass rusher.  

The second reason is that the 4th rounder turned into Chris Moore.  Moore is easily the 3rd best, as of now, of Baltimore's 4th round picks, but he was the second one drafted.  There's literally nothing to back this up but speculation, but they obviously drafted the players they did in the order they perceived their talents right?  So that extra 4th rounder added one player.  Assuming no other team grabbed one of our guys, that last player we were able to draft was Kenneth Dixon.  

For all we know, all our 4th rounders get drafted one Ravens pick sooner, and Dixon doesn't get drafted due to not having that extra pick.  So it's not Jack/Spence vs Correa for me.  It's Jack/Spence vs Correa, Dixon, and Judon.  Easy pick imo

Except for a few things : We received a 5th round pick by way of trade with Jacksonville.

Spence is still on the board when we elect a  trade back and pass a second time. In this scenario, theoretically  we get Judon AND Spence but surrender a fourth rounder.

We shall see how both Correa and Spence turn out but right now it looks as though the best player available at a position of need was passed over, due at least in part to a sort of Will Hill effect.

In addition, the only credit we deserve for selecting Judon would have to do with taking him before anyone else.

If they had any clue he would play this way, they would have selected him earlier. They had no idea.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Edgar

[ALPHA]

6 hours ago, Edgar said:

Except for a few things : We received a 5th round pick by way of trade with Jacksonville.

Spence is still on the board when we elect a  trade back and pass a second time. In this scenario, theoretically  we get Judon AND Spence but surrender a fourth rounder.

We shall see how both Correa and Spence turn out but right now it looks as though the best player available at a position of need was passed over, due at least in part to a sort of Will Hill effect.

In addition, the only credit we deserve for selecting Judon would have to do with taking him before anyone else.

If they had any clue he would play this way, they would have selected him earlier. They had no idea.

Mayock said the Titans wanted to move up for an OT and the trade scenario with us would have been their first and 2nd. With the magical benefit of hindsight we could have landed OT Decker and OLB Spence without giving up anyone. Judon and Spence anyone?

[Davesta]

4 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Mayock said the Titans wanted to move up for an OT and the trade scenario with us would have been their first and 2nd. With the magical benefit of hindsight we could have landed OT Decker and OLB Spence without giving up anyone. Judon and Spence anyone?

Why do this to yourself and think of this. Haha 

[January J]

23 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

I know you're not implying that they should have went with either one, but to me this is no longer an issue.  The Ravens ended up picking up an extra 4th rounder and the 5th rounder in their trade backs instead of drafting Spence.

This is significant right now to me for two reasons.  The 5th rounder obviously became Matt Judon who is performing well, especially under limited snaps.  No argument can me made, to me, for taking Spence when we got a pretty decent pass rusher anyway.  As of now, we simply have another player who may or may not also contribute, but if he doesn't we at worst still got a good pass rusher.  

The second reason is that the 4th rounder turned into Chris Moore.  Moore is easily the 3rd best, as of now, of Baltimore's 4th round picks, but he was the second one drafted.  There's literally nothing to back this up but speculation, but they obviously drafted the players they did in the order they perceived their talents right?  So that extra 4th rounder added one player.  Assuming no other team grabbed one of our guys, that last player we were able to draft was Kenneth Dixon.  

For all we know, all our 4th rounders get drafted one Ravens pick sooner, and Dixon doesn't get drafted due to not having that extra pick.  So it's not Jack/Spence vs Correa for me.  It's Jack/Spence vs Correa, Dixon, and Judon.  Easy pick imo

Very good point. I've preached the  same thing several times but  tend to forget when ppl complain about the KC pick.

 

Edited December 8, 2016 by January J

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 hours ago, Edgar said:

Except for a few things : We received a 5th round pick by way of trade with Jacksonville.

Spence is still on the board when we elect a  trade back and pass a second time. In this scenario, theoretically  we get Judon AND Spence but surrender a fourth rounder.

We shall see how both Correa and Spence turn out but right now it looks as though the best player available at a position of need was passed over, due at least in part to a sort of Will Hill effect.

In addition, the only credit we deserve for selecting Judon would have to do with taking him before anyone else.

If they had any clue he would play this way, they would have selected him earlier. They had no idea.

Not true. If youre confident no one else has him rated that highly, why would you pick a guy in the 3rd youre confident you can get in the 5th?

We dont pick players if we dont feel they can contribute. Period. Just the higher picked, typically, the more confident or the more of those traits theyve clearly demonstrated, or the more those traits have been put to the test in an NFL environment. 

[ALPHA]

15 hours ago, Davesta said:

Why do this to yourself and think of this. Haha 

Edgar and I were talking scenarios because hindsight is 20/20 and we're suckers for punishment.

Edited December 9, 2016 by ALPHA

[443hurricane]

Judon has stood out to me the way I thought he would. I like finding late round gems. Maybe he can be a jack of all trades like Adalius Thomas

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, 443hurricane said:

Judon has stood out to me the way I thought he would. I like finding late round gems. Maybe he can be a jack of all trades like Adalius Thomas

id prefer it if he became too valuable to do anything but pass rush

[Edgar]

11 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not true. If youre confident no one else has him rated that highly, why would you pick a guy in the 3rd youre confident you can get in the 5th?

We dont pick players if we dont feel they can contribute. Period. Just the higher picked, typically, the more confident or the more of those traits theyve clearly demonstrated, or the more those traits have been put to the test in an NFL environment. 

They didn't know he would play this well.

They aren't sitting around thinking, "well, we know something no one else knows, therefore we'll wait until round five."

That's the value they ( along with everyone else placed) on him. If a magical redraft occurred....you better believe they wouldn't wait. Neither would anyone else.

Edited December 9, 2016 by Edgar

[rossihunter2]

17 hours ago, Edgar said:

They didn't know he would play this well.

They aren't sitting around thinking, "well, we know something no one else knows, therefore we'll wait until round five."

That's the value they ( along with everyone else placed) on him. If a magical redraft occurred....you better believe they wouldn't wait. Neither would anyone else.

it's the same situation with tavon - in hindisght nobody really takes that risk on a 5ft 9 corner but he's playing like he deserved to be taken at least in the 2nd round

[kjbmore]

Gruden talking about our history of  grabbing and developing undrafted linebackers makes me shake my head even more.

One of the positions we excel at picking up leftovers and developing into studs and we spend a high 2nd - idk

maybe KC going to be HOF

[Adreme]

2 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Gruden talking about our history of  grabbing and developing undrafted linebackers makes me shake my head even more.

One of the positions we excel at picking up leftovers and developing into studs and we spend a high 2nd - idk

maybe KC going to be HOF

 

Gruden has no idea what he is talking about.  Aside from the fact that I think Orr gets a lot of numbers due to everyone around him (basically stat padding) and less so because of things he is doing, a lot of the Ravens best linebackers have either been early or mid round picks.   They have developed talent no doubt but generally I would say that it isnt one position over another where the undrafted free agents end up contributing.

[Virginia 55]

Correa is a bad pick.  He cant even sniff the field.

Taking him that early was no question a mistake.  I knew he would have to sit a few years to develop a AFC north frame.  

He might not ever get there though.  

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, Adreme said:

 

Gruden has no idea what he is talking about.  Aside from the fact that I think Orr gets a lot of numbers due to everyone around him (basically stat padding) and less so because of things he is doing, a lot of the Ravens best linebackers have either been early or mid round picks.   They have developed talent no doubt but generally I would say that it isnt one position over another where the undrafted free agents end up contributing.

Orr was one of the few people playing well against the Pats. He did great, and it wasn't because of others around him.

[redlobster]

14 hours ago, Adreme said:

 

Gruden has no idea what he is talking about.  Aside from the fact that I think Orr gets a lot of numbers due to everyone around him (basically stat padding) and less so because of things he is doing, a lot of the Ravens best linebackers have either been early or mid round picks.   They have developed talent no doubt but generally I would say that it isnt one position over another where the undrafted free agents end up contributing.

Lol Bart Scott, Orr, Ellerbe , Jameel McClain, and to a lesser extent Albert McClellan. If anything those UDFA Linebackers have shown up as much as the drafted ones (beyond the 1st rounders of Lewis and Suggs and gem 6th rounder Adalius Thomas) - Dan Cody, Sergio Kindle, Tavares Gooden, Jason Phillips, Antwan Barnes, Prescott Burgess, Rodrick Green.

Edited December 13, 2016 by redlobster

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 7:08 PM, Adreme said:

 

Gruden has no idea what he is talking about.  Aside from the fact that I think Orr gets a lot of numbers due to everyone around him (basically stat padding) and less so because of things he is doing, a lot of the Ravens best linebackers have either been early or mid round picks.   They have developed talent no doubt but generally I would say that it isnt one position over another where the undrafted free agents end up contributing.

Gruden is an empty can.  Win a championship with another coaches players and you're set for life. The network doesn't even cover the game, they let that sob blather on with his nonsence and illustrations rather than show zoom in replays. Cant stand that theyve made his personality bigger than game coverage. regarding correa hes the kind of pick that is keeping us from properly rebuildin. we are missing too many high round picks.  happy with perriman now he brings the field stretch we needed. but we don't have a good oline or a good running game and that's gonna be our achillez heel