Kamalei Correa - thoughts

[hn68wb4]

It's pretty annoying that some around here cry that we don't draft enough playmakers and too often fall on safe picks with limited ceiling, but when we actually take a chance on a potential playmaker people aren't willing to give them more than half a season to prove themselves. Instant playmakers are not a dime a dozen, a few instant playmakers can be found in the high first but after that it's a total crapshoot. After that you take raw guys with playmaking potential, which is what we've done with Perriman and Correa, neither of which have had a full season and people are already whining that he hasn't done anything yet when neither are getting significant snaps, Correa isn't getting any snaps at all. I realize those that complain the most are the Einsteins among us that have never missed a draft pick - interesting though that Art Brown and Terrence Brooks were widely celebrated picks - but us mere mortals that have missed on plenty of players before realize some players take time, certainly more than 11 games of barely seeing action.

[edthehead]

On 11/28/2016 at 7:16 PM, usmccharles said:

Ah, I was unaware of his history.  He is an athletic freak though, did you ever read that article that was posted on here about a writer for the seahawks predicting they were going to pick him.  The guy had some crazy workout numbers

 

Edit* here...  http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick 

Im excited to see him play

thanks , great find, wish he could have got on the field this year

 

[kjbmore]

5 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's pretty annoying that some around here cry that we don't draft enough playmakers and too often fall on safe picks with limited ceiling, but when we actually take a chance on a potential playmaker people aren't willing to give them more than half a season to prove themselves. Instant playmakers are not a dime a dozen, a few instant playmakers can be found in the high first but after that it's a total crapshoot. After that you take raw guys with playmaking potential, which is what we've done with Perriman and Correa, neither of which have had a full season and people are already whining that he hasn't done anything yet when neither are getting significant snaps, Correa isn't getting any snaps at all. I realize those that complain the most are the Einsteins among us that have never missed a draft pick - interesting though that Art Brown and Terrence Brooks were widely celebrated picks - but us mere mortals that have missed on plenty of players before realize some players take time, certainly more than 11 games of barely seeing action.

There were soooo many playmakers to be had, I really don't think KC falls into that bracket.

We spent a high second on a OLB we want to play inside. We got an undrafted guy holding it down just fine. 

Spend high picks on skill positions, the oline, the secondary

I remember in the preseason press fluff - whoever the chick is who covered the team described KC as the Tasmanian Devil - just running around like a crazy thing - it was highlighted as a good thing at the time, I'm not so sure the guys a natural baller more an athlete.

If we were sitting here waiting on Jack to get it together or waiting for Jaylon Smith - I'd class them as potential playmakers and I'd have patience, this just seems like a wasted high second round pick

Hopefully KC shows something on the outside or we can scheme him into our game plan otherwise I can see him riding pine again next year - Orr isn't going anywhere, we draft pass rush, he'll be further down in that pecking order, not that he showed anything in that regard - where or how exactly is he getting on the field - barring injury to Mosley or Orr?

Maybe in 2 or 3 years he'll start getting a look smh.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, kjbmore said:

There were soooo many playmakers to be had, I really don't think KC falls into that bracket.

We spent a high second on a OLB we want to play inside. We got an undrafted guy holding it down just fine. 

Spend high picks on skill positions, the oline, the secondary

I remember in the preseason press fluff - whoever the chick is who covered the team described KC as the Tasmanian Devil - just running around like a crazy thing - it was highlighted as a good thing at the time, I'm not so sure the guys a natural baller more an athlete.

If we were sitting here waiting on Jack to get it together or waiting for Jaylon Smith - I'd class them as potential playmakers and I'd have patience, this just seems like a wasted high second round pick

Hopefully KC shows something on the outside or we can scheme him into our game plan otherwise I can see him riding pine again next year - Orr isn't going anywhere, we draft pass rush, he'll be further down in that pecking order, not that he showed anything in that regard - where or how exactly is he getting on the field - barring injury to Mosley or Orr?

Maybe in 2 or 3 years he'll start getting a look smh.

I am viewing Correa as a pick for the future and a chess piece. 

This year we've seen a transition to a lot more 4 man fronts and even a look with only 1 down lineman and then 6 stand up LBs. 

Correa can be a valuable guy in these multiple type looks. He can rush from the outside or inside, he's flashed coverage ability and is a great athlete. Yes he needs to grasp the mental side of things but he had a lot new put on his plate. 

This is largely a redshirt year but we could obviously afford it. But I could see him turning into a Barr or Irvin type of 4-3 OLB who is a plus pass rusher for the position and with the athleticism to cover and physicality to stuff the run. And this year learning the ILB spot gives you the flexibility to disguise and transition your fronts by sliding him in and out. 

Hes a high upside, developmental pick. Normally I wouldn't like that with a 2nd rounder but since we nailed the middle of the draft it's worked out just fine. And if he becomes a big playmaker year 2 or 3 it's a win bc we don't really need him now anyways. 

[trevorsteadman]

I laugh at those I see already calling Correa a bust... Some are those who defended Arthur Brown up until the end. Correa is a raw player and many knew it would be a long time to transition. He is an experiment hybrid player it will take a bit for Dean Pees to find him a spot on this defense in packages. 

[52liveforever]

I think KC is going to be a good player in this league. I just know if a 2nd round pick is worth the 2 or 3 year wait. 

[KBoum]

He's got the athletic traits, he's got the worth ethics, motor and awareness. He just needs to develop his hands, technique. He's not a 3-4 type of guy at all but like I said most preseason, the Ravens have the personnel to run a 4-3 Under and he would be quiet well in that schemes with Kaufusi playing End so KC would only face TEs and not Guards, Tackles.

 

Right now he comes from a college who's known to play players a bit awkwardly and not developing them for the NFL. When you watch some KCs tapes, I mean he rush the passer with speed and motor but not with hands like a Bosa for exemple. KC when facing better technically sound blockers he's just stuck there. He reminds me a bit of Timmons from the Steelers I know thats a strange comparaison but I think he could be a very good SAM 4-3 like Boulware was for the Ravens. Blitzing him on every downs from the outside when facing an NFL Tackle is just not gonna do it in the NFL for him. They have to use disguise blitz, crossing A gaps blitz. Blitz him behind controlling gap D-Line 5 tech. His first step his agressive and I believe if he blitz and is pick up blitzing from a RB, he'll win more than lose in the future. But right now he needs to work on his strenght and hands technique. 

 

Just my thoughts.. thats what I've been saying all preseason anyway I just don't know why some people thought he would come in the NFL from Boise State and get 12 sacks... gotta be realistic. The thing when you sit and talk with KC, look at the fire in his eyes. He's a football player and he wants to play football and do anything in his power to succeed and thats a big difference from A. Brown so y'all can stop the comparaisons. A. Brown seemed uninterested.

[usmccharles]

So do I even want to ask.... Did he do anything yesterday?

[OUravensfan]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

So do I even want to ask.... Did he do anything yesterday?

He wasn't beat for a TD at least

[usmccharles]

Did he even play? 

[VermontRaven]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Did he even play? 

No he was inactive. http://www.nfl.com/inactives

i can't believe we are taking about a player that didn't play win we are in a race for the division and just beat a team with a winning record 38-6. I guess some people have to find somethjng negative to focus on and Sunday didn't give those people much fuel.  The guy is a developmental draft pick. Give him a couple years and rhwn we can decide if he was a good pick or not.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

No he was inactive. http://www.nfl.com/inactives

i can't believe we are taking about a player that didn't play win we are in a race for the division and just beat a team with a winning record 38-6. I guess some people have to find somethjng negative to focus on and Sunday didn't give those people much fuel.  The guy is a developmental draft pick. Give him a couple years and rhwn we can decide if he was a good pick or not.

Simply asked a question... If you want to take it as me being negative,  be my guest.  

[ALPHA]

29 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Simply asked a question... If you want to take it as me being negative,  be my guest.  

Ignore him, this isnt the gameday thread. 

[January J]

Just for comparison- has Noah Spence done anything to note? Or Jack? I haven't heard either of their names so they obviously arent lighting it up..although admittedly I haven't watched many bucs or jags games.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Just for comparison- has Noah Spence done anything to note? Or Jack? I haven't heard either of their names so they obviously arent lighting it up..although admittedly I haven't watched many bucs or jags games.

Spence has 5.5 sacks, 3 [profanity deleted], 1 PD, 13 solo tackles. 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Just for comparison- has Noah Spence done anything to note? Or Jack? I haven't heard either of their names so they obviously arent lighting it up..although admittedly I haven't watched many bucs or jags games.

spence has grown into the season more for the bucs - jack has done jack

[January J]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

spence has grown into the season more for the bucs - jack has done jack

Figures. I thought for sure we had our crosshairs on Spence when he dropped into the 2nd...then after trading back and still being there I thought it was a lock. Shows what I know.

Thankfully we've gotten just as much production if not more from Judon whom we got much later. Silver lining I guess. Both of them would've been pretty sweet though. Let's just hope kafusi produces some big numbers next year.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, January J said:

Figures. I thought for sure we had our crosshairs on Spence when he dropped into the 2nd...then after trading back and still being there I thought it was a lock. Shows what I know.

Thankfully we've gotten just as much production if not more from Judon whom we got much later. Silver lining I guess. Both of them would've been pretty sweet though. Let's just hope kafusi produces some big numbers next year.

there's no point giving up on correa either - he's essentially being given a redshirt year while also learning that to make it as a young player you have to be willing to play special teams - yes we would want more from a 2nd rounder and should be disappointed but it's year 1 - in fact because judon and pierce and tavon are outperforming their draft position it should take the pressure off him

[TurkishRaven]

The problem here is not Correa. He might become a great player in future but as a fan I expect my second round pick to at least play. 

If he was a 3rd or 4th round pick I would understand the project pick and I think he would still be there in 3rd round maybe early 4th. But a second pick who is inactive where Judon, Young, Dixon, Pierce are all playing and contributing. 

 

I would not be sad if he was playing poor. He is a rookie but he is not even good enough to see the field yet and a second round pick should at least be active.

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

The problem here is not Correa. He might become a great player in future but as a fan I expect my second round pick to at least play. 

If he was a 3rd or 4th round pick I would understand the project pick and I think he would still be there in 3rd round maybe early 4th. But a second pick who is inactive where Judon, Young, Dixon, Pierce are all playing and contributing. 

 

I would not be sad if he was playing poor. He is a rookie but he is not even good enough to see the field yet and a second round pick should at least be active.

he has been injured recently, and judon has been playing out of his skin and trying to contribute on special teams so has been keeping correa inactive

not making excuses just being pragmatic - yes they are all picks but once they come in the door they are all rookies just the same as each other

Edited December 7, 2016 by rossihunter2

[Purple_City39]

2 hours ago, January J said:

Just for comparison- has Noah Spence done anything to note? Or Jack? I haven't heard either of their names so they obviously arent lighting it up..although admittedly I haven't watched many bucs or jags games.

I know you're not implying that they should have went with either one, but to me this is no longer an issue.  The Ravens ended up picking up an extra 4th rounder and the 5th rounder in their trade backs instead of drafting Spence.

This is significant right now to me for two reasons.  The 5th rounder obviously became Matt Judon who is performing well, especially under limited snaps.  No argument can me made, to me, for taking Spence when we got a pretty decent pass rusher anyway.  As of now, we simply have another player who may or may not also contribute, but if he doesn't we at worst still got a good pass rusher.  

The second reason is that the 4th rounder turned into Chris Moore.  Moore is easily the 3rd best, as of now, of Baltimore's 4th round picks, but he was the second one drafted.  There's literally nothing to back this up but speculation, but they obviously drafted the players they did in the order they perceived their talents right?  So that extra 4th rounder added one player.  Assuming no other team grabbed one of our guys, that last player we were able to draft was Kenneth Dixon.  

For all we know, all our 4th rounders get drafted one Ravens pick sooner, and Dixon doesn't get drafted due to not having that extra pick.  So it's not Jack/Spence vs Correa for me.  It's Jack/Spence vs Correa, Dixon, and Judon.  Easy pick imo

[RavensFanMania]

Well I wanted Chris Jones @Truth and took him in the Forum Draft as well.  He was available before we traded back the first time.

however, I'd take Correa, Judon and Dixon over Chris Jones.  The sum of the parts is worth more.

Edited December 7, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[perryhall]

Pre draft many were clamoring for Noah Spence,and he was available . How is KC doing in comparison to Spence? 

 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, perryhall said:

Pre draft many were clamoring for Noah Spence,and he was available . How is KC doing in comparison to Spence? 

Dude, how about reading the previous 10 posts....

[perryhall]

Dude scanned and didn t read previous thoughts,,,,my bad. 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

You also need to consider who is ahead of him on the depth chart. Orr and mosley might be the best ilb tandem in the league right now. Suggs is playing like a madman. Judon has been arguably our best rookie(emphasis on arguably). Dumervil looked good coming back from injury. He could've stolen some snaps if we had been playing garbage time but we've had one game so far with garbage time.

[Drew P]

Well it's not a great sign when they drafted him as an OLB and he gets moved inside after one snap. Obviously the coaching staff doesn't feel he possesses the speed and power or it's he just cant turn the corner to rush from the edge.

[perryhall]

Threre is general question of evaluating talent. Not just draft picks ,which is difficult to predict .But players that are on your roster where you ve seen what they can and can't do in preseason,practice and playing.  James Hurst especially comest to mind,,we are one injury away from our offensive line being crap. Matt Elam,the other safety whose name i can't remember right now ,who s on IR .  On the other side. Chris Moore ,as someone just mentioned,seems like a player to me. I think he would be great in the slot.

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, perryhall said:

Threre is general question of evaluating talent. Not just draft picks ,which is difficult to predict .But players that are on your roster where you ve seen what they can and can't do in preseason,practice and playing.  James Hurst especially comest to mind,,we are one injury away from our offensive line being crap. Matt Elam,the other safety whose name i can't remember right now ,who s on IR .  On the other side. Chris Moore ,as someone just mentioned,seems like a player to me. I think he would be great in the slot.

except the guy doesn't have good hands.  He has had some terrible drops this year, hes a long ways off

[ALPHA]

I think the reason people (myself included) are critical of the Correa pick is because we passed on prospects who are producing right now, call it unrealistic or harsh but people want immediate validation that we made the right pick and right now he's not a proven commodity.