Kamalei Correa - thoughts

[redlobster]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

While I was excited about the pick based on his potential alone, i agree with this 100%. There were some really good players we left for other teams to scoop up. Whitehair would've had our line looking very good for the next 4 years, boyd would have given us real reason for optimism in the wr corps after Steve retires, mackensie Alexander means no shareece Wright as he's been solid if I'm not mistaken, Nick Martin means zuttah steps down easily. We passed on all of em for a guy who has been a healthy scratch. 

I really hope he comes on and packs on some muscle and develops some hands in year 2

What really is frustrating is either Whitehair or Martin would make the line very solid and anybody with 2 eyes can see Dallas's success is built on that amazing offensive line, not some hybrid LB that can't tackle or shed blocks.

[hereweare]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

KO in 12, Torrey in 11. Also had Kruger in 09 and Rice in 08 in the Harbaugh era.

Plus I think most would agree that Jernigan has largely liven up to his 2nd round grade at this point, so he was a 14 pick.

lol this is great. Straight facts

[rossihunter2]

13 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I can't remember the last second rounder we struck gold on? Maybe Torrey?

Kelechi Osemele we nailed that pick

timmy jernigan looks pretty good too

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Ok. So nine or so.

Or 1 or 2. That's the fallacy about making hypothetical assumptions that player A on Team X would be the same player on Team Y.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, redlobster said:

What really is frustrating is either Whitehair or Martin would make the line very solid and anybody with 2 eyes can see Dallas's success is built on that amazing offensive line, not some hybrid LB that can't tackle or shed blocks.

Yeah it's definitely frustrating. But at the same time zuttah hadn't given us a reason to think he would be this bad, and Jensen showed a lot of promise last year. We had reason to believe the interior would be fine.

The real frustration isn't that we didn't address an unforeseen problem, but more that we could have addressed a problem with a ton of prospects that have played well, instead we have a healthy scratch. 

[rmcjacket23]

20 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I can't remember the last second rounder we struck gold on? Maybe Torrey?

In fact, if you dig deeper, you can make a case that we've been better in the 2nd round in the last 6-8 years than we were before that. 

Go back and look at 96-08. Look at the 2nd round picks we drafted. Its not a strong list. 

Jamie Sharper in 97, Patrick Johnson in 98, Anthony Weaver in 02, and Dwan Edwards in 04. Those are the good one's. Jamie Sharper is the only "great" player on that list. 

There's a lot of Chris Chester's in there...

[Deflated Football]

26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

KO in 12, Torrey in 11. Also had Kruger in 09 and Rice in 08 in the Harbaugh era.

Plus I think most would agree that Jernigan has largely liven up to his 2nd round grade at this point, so he was a 14 pick.

For some reason I though KO was a late round pick. Totally forgot about Rice (probably on purpose), and Jernigan could be special too. It's early, I'm just now drinking my Rockstar 

[Edgar]

15 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or 1 or 2. That's the fallacy about making hypothetical assumptions that player A on Team X would be the same player on Team Y.

I'm being over the top intentionally . In any case, your notion he wouldn't get snaps to me would be an indictment of staff. Kid is a pass rusher. He came off the edge at Ohio, he came off the edge at Eastern Kentucky and he's a handful coming off the edge in the NFL.

Easy to see on tape and anyone who doesn't see it struggles with the obvious.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Edgar said:

I'm being over the top intentionally . In any case, your notion he wouldn't get snaps to me would be an indictment of staff. Kid is a pass rusher. He came off the edge at Ohio, he came off the edge at Eastern Kentucky and he's a handful coming off the edge in the NFL.

Easy to see on tape and anyone who doesn't see it struggles with the obvious.

Sure, but that probably puts him in the 30-40% snap count category.

Plus its still debatable about his impact as a 3-4 rusher vs a 4-3 DE.

[Edgar]

He's ideally suited as outside rush backer.  Other than off field stuff, I can't imagine choosing Correa with Spence there.

 

[atomicfront]

Arthur Brown, Kindle, Correa, Dan Cody.  Whomever is in charge of drafting linebackers in the second round needs to be shown the door. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

He's ideally suited as outside rush backer.  Other than off field stuff, I can't imagine choosing Correa with Spence there.

Im no scout, clearly, but Spence, Ngakoue were guys I really wanted. 

[ALPHA]

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im no scout, clearly, but Spence, Ngakoue were guys I really wanted. 

And both are proving to be talented pass rushers. 

There are three edge rushers drafted in the first three rounds without at least one sack, and we drafted two of them. Ok so maybe it's not Kaufusi's fault that he's injury prone, but we knew that and drafted him anyway so thats on us.

Edited November 28, 2016 by ALPHA

[CalvinSmoke]

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

Arthur Brown, Kindle, Correa, Dan Cody.  Whomever is in charge of drafting linebackers in the second round needs to be shown the door. 

Not that I condone these sorts of posts... But you forgot Upshaw 

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

And both are proving to be talented pass rushers. 

There are three edge rushers drafted in the first three rounds without at least one sack, and we drafted two of them. Ok so maybe it's not Kaufusi's fault that he's injury prone, but we knew that and drafted him anyway so thats on us.

Because he broke his ankle he is injury prone? what other injuries has he had

[Ravensfan23]

14 hours ago, kjbmore said:

a contribution, some sort of impact

i dont really blame him, more the front office

i just dont understand drafting somebody just to try and teach them / play them at a different position, we only get so many years out of these guys on their rookie contracts and you pick somebody with the intention to teach him a new position - which you know full well could take a season or 2

i can understand getting guys and having them split time, or late round picks sitting their rookie year but not a high 2nd rd pick

given the lack of impact and success, we've had over the last few years with our high draft picks - this pick has me a little dumbfounded

I can certainly understand this and I agree it's frustrating not seeing him at least get time to develop on field. 

To cut the FO some slack, you really just never know. I can't say who for sure, but the majority of this board crucified the FO for not adding a once in a generation talent like Myles Jack. Well he's dealing with the same exact things that KC is dealing with, his development is slowed because he's learning all LB positions. So the draft is certainly a crap shoot. I certainly share the frustration, but I can label him a bust or a bum just because he's not seeing the field. 

[jazz1988]

57 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Not that I condone these sorts of posts... But you forgot Upshaw 

Upshaw may not have been great as pass rusher but he was a good player in my opinion. He set the edge quite well and did other things well that most fans don't wow over 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Upshaw may not have been great as pass rusher but he was a good player in my opinion. He set the edge quite well and did other things well that most fans don't wow over 

As much as people hate on Upshaw, I'm sure a large majority of us would take him back now after watching Za'Darius try to set the edge.

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Upshaw may not have been great as pass rusher but he was a good player in my opinion. He set the edge quite well and did other things well that most fans don't wow over 

He was very underrated.

[Rav'n Maniac]

23 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

As much as people hate on Upshaw, I'm sure a large majority of us would take him back now after watching Za'Darius try to set the edge.

Not too sure I would take him back now, at least not as a OLB. The dude has ballooned up to well over 300 lbs and working as a backup DT in Atlanta.

[usmccharles]

44 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

As much as people hate on Upshaw, I'm sure a large majority of us would take him back now after watching Za'Darius try to set the edge.

had such high hopes for ZDS

[ALPHA]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Because he broke his ankle he is injury prone? what other injuries has he had

From memory he blew out his knee in high school, missed a few games in BYU with shoulder and ankle injuries, then he missed OTAs and minicamp with back problems, now he's got a broken ankle. 

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

As much as people hate on Upshaw, I'm sure a large majority of us would take him back now after watching Za'Darius try to set the edge.

Interestingly the Falcons moved him to DT.

[ALPHA]

4 hours ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Not that I condone these sorts of posts... But you forgot Upshaw 

His FF in the Super Bowl led to Pittas touchdown, one of the many momentum swings that we would have lost the game without. That one play alone made him worth the pick.

[usmccharles]

23 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

From memory he blew out his knee in high school, missed a few games in BYU with shoulder and ankle injuries, then he missed OTAs and minicamp with back problems, now he's got a broken ankle. 

Ah, I was unaware of his history.  He is an athletic freak though, did you ever read that article that was posted on here about a writer for the seahawks predicting they were going to pick him.  The guy had some crazy workout numbers

 

Edit* here...  http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick 

Im excited to see him play

Edited November 29, 2016 by usmccharles

[CalvinSmoke]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

As much as people hate on Upshaw, I'm sure a large majority of us would take him back now after watching Za'Darius try to set the edge.

I'll pass brotha. Our run defense is fine 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

8 hours ago, rmw10 said:

As much as people hate on Upshaw, I'm sure a large majority of us would take him back now after watching Za'Darius try to set the edge.

I hated the Upshaw pick. But even with his lack of pass rushing abilities, he was a damn good role player. I'd take him back as a rotational piece in a heartbeat. He plays DT now. 

 

I'd honestly look for him to come back for some good depth. Only signed a one year deal. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Ah, I was unaware of his history.  He is an athletic freak though, did you ever read that article that was posted on here about a writer for the seahawks predicting they were going to pick him.  The guy had some crazy workout numbers

 

Edit* here...  http://seahawksdraftblog.com/bronson-kaufusi-could-be-seattles-first-pick 

Im excited to see him play

Still excited for Kaufausi. Inconsistent college tape but very coachable. He'll be 26 next year which is old for a rookie though, but he should be hitting his physical prime, and with his athleticism it should be scary. At worst I think he could provide a boost in the interior rush department which I think has proven to be a difference maker this season. Jernigan broke out, Guy is a good piece, Pierce is a good pass rusher. Add in Kaufausi and I think we do good. 

[jboy19]

I'm still really interested to see where Kaufusi plays. I didn't really view him as a pure 5-technique, but I could see him playing a similar role that Bosa is playing in SD. 

[Filmstudy]

21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

In fact, if you dig deeper, you can make a case that we've been better in the 2nd round in the last 6-8 years than we were before that. 

Go back and look at 96-08. Look at the 2nd round picks we drafted. Its not a strong list. 

Jamie Sharper in 97, Patrick Johnson in 98, Anthony Weaver in 02, and Dwan Edwards in 04. Those are the good one's. Jamie Sharper is the only "great" player on that list. 

There's a lot of Chris Chester's in there...

I would put Chris Chester's draft value ahead of both Johnson and Edwards:

Chester started 47 games as a Raven and only left because the team developed a potential HoF guard, had a Pro Bowler at the other spot, and signed Matt Birk at Center.  He wasn't good enough to play with those great Ravens interiors, but he was good value for their first 4 years.  He was also a rare excellent FA signing for the Redskins who made all 64 starts on a 4-year deal and raised his level of play.  He's still in the NFL at age 33.

Patrick Johnson had speed and scored the TD that gave the Titans their first loss in their new home, but he caught just 58 balls in his Ravens career, not enough for a #2.

Dwan Edwards produced essentially nothing on his first 5 years (54 tackles, 14 starts, 1 INT).  After missing his entire 5th season with injury, he returned cheap, had a productive season, and was off to free agency.  He's one of the few players ever to blossom after his rookie deal.

I wrote an article ranking the Ravens 2nd round picks in 2012 when the Ravens finally released Sergio Kindle.  I include it here, because it includes all 3 players.  Looks like I whiffed on Upshaw, but pretty much nailed the call on Osemele 6 games into his career.  Osemele was actually moved to LG for the first playoff game in 2012.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2012/10/21/street-talk/ranking-the-ravens-2nd-round-draft-picks/

Edited November 29, 2016 by Filmstudy

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

I would put Chris Chester's draft value ahead of both Johnson and Edwards:

Chester started 47 games as a Raven and only left because the team developed a potential HoF guard, had a Pro Bowler at the other spot, and signed Matt Birk at Center.  He wasn't good enough to play with those great Ravens interiors, but he was good value for their first 4 years.  He was also a rare excellent FA signing for the Redskins who made all 64 starts on a 4-year deal and raised his level of play.  He's still in the NFL at age 33.

Patrick Johnson had speed and scored the TD that gave the Titans their first loss in their new home, but he caught just 58 balls in his Ravens career, not enough for a #2.

Dwan Edwards produced essentially nothing on his first 5 years (54 tackles, 14 starts, 1 INT).  After missing his entire 5th season with injury, he returned cheap, had a productive season, and was off to free agency.  He's one of the few players ever to blossom after his rookie deal.

I wrote an article ranking the Ravens 2nd round picks in 2012.  I include it here, because it includes all 3 players.  Looks like I whiffed on Upshaw, but pretty much nailed the call on Osemele 6 games into his career.  Osemele was actually moved to LG for the first playoff game in 2012.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2012/10/21/street-talk/ranking-the-ravens-2nd-round-draft-picks/

Yeah I mostly included those guys because they had overall respectable careers, although not a lot of that happened in Baltimore.

Fun facts about our 2nd round picks and how bad they've been:

21 selections in Ravens history.

3 are currently still under contract, and only 2 ever played more than 5 years here in Baltimore... Dwan Edwards and Ray Rice (both played 6 years). Darren Sharper probably would have been the longest tenured one, but he was selected by the Texans in the expansion draft.

Very, few ever even signed a 2nd contract with the Ravens. A ton of 4-5 year players.

As much props as we get for our mid-round selections, we have been very poor in the 2nd round throughout our history. And we have almost no track record of retaining those players long term.