Kamalei Correa - thoughts

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

damn. i dont get it, in his very limited playing time he looked really good, he was always around the ball and got his hand on one while isolated in zone coverage. 

i think his epic failure against dallas got under harbaughs skin, when he had the direct hit on a late sweep and zeke just shoulder nudged from like 6 yards away and correa bit hard and left the wide open lane for a long run. that was bad. 

its a shame really. he was probably the rookie i was most excited to see play. i seriously hope he make a big leap in year 2, that dude has a higher ceiling than any LB on the team right now

From what I've seen so far, I think you are overrating Correa in a major way.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

damn. i dont get it, in his very limited playing time he looked really good, he was always around the ball and got his hand on one while isolated in zone coverage. 

i think his epic failure against dallas got under harbaughs skin, when he had the direct hit on a late sweep and zeke just shoulder nudged from like 6 yards away and correa bit hard and left the wide open lane for a long run. that was bad. 

its a shame really. he was probably the rookie i was most excited to see play. i seriously hope he make a big leap in year 2, that dude has a higher ceiling than any LB on the team right now

I haven't seen that from him, personally.  I've been largely unimpressed with his entire body of work thus far.  There's a good play every now and then, but in his limited time on the field, he's largely been ineffective.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Maybe not since Doom is back and I don't think anyone should have expected him to go wild after not playing for quite awhile but he did  have a sack and force fumble in today's games.  It seems like Dean Pees is using Matt Judon in a similar role as  Pernell Mcphee so  that's Suggs (6 sacks), Jerngan (5 sacks), Judon (3 sacks, and Doom (1 sack) going after the quarterback on obvious passing downs. The pass rush gets even more better once Jimmy Smith returns but t I think Correa has the upside to be a pretty good player. 

i think judon is gonna turn out special. he might not be a double digit sack guy, but i could legitimately see him having multiple 8-9 sack seasons, and he is incredibly instinctive, i mean this guy plays way beyond his years, ive seen quite a few plays where he has a clear shot to the qb but he sees a rb breaking off and knows he wont get to the qb in time, so he goes after the rb instead, i swear even the smartest of veterans dont have that kind of discipline. and then his 2 swats today were nice as well, especially the first one where he made a huge adjustment and slid about 4 yards inside to jump up and swat it. he has things that cant be taught.

[kjbmore]

other than guys out injured - jaylon smith and qb - hackenberg

is there a more underwhelming 2nd round pick right now, on what we've seen this season than kc

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

From what I've seen so far, I think you are overrating Correa in a major way.

 

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I haven't seen that from him, personally.  I've been largely unimpressed with his entire body of work thus far.  There's a good play every now and then, but in his limited time on the field, he's largely been ineffective.

maybe im overrating him, i havent been able to be as attentive watching football this year since i watch it after 5 hours of sleep following a 12 hour graveyard shift lol, and i was very excited about him as a prospect so it could be rose tinted glasses, but it feels like when hes played hes been in the right position to make a few plays and has just come up short a few times.

[jazz1988]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think judon is gonna turn out special. he might not be a double digit sack guy, but i could legitimately see him having multiple 8-9 sack seasons, and he is incredibly instinctive, i mean this guy plays way beyond his years, ive seen quite a few plays where he has a clear shot to the qb but he sees a rb breaking off and knows he wont get to the qb in time, so he goes after the rb instead, i swear even the smartest of veterans dont have that kind of discipline. and then his 2 swats today were nice as well, especially the first one where he made a huge adjustment and slid about 4 yards inside to jump up and swat it. he has things that cant be taught.

I agree. It was quite a veteran move by him to make those timed pass deflections and I think he's the type of guy that's willing to learning alot from Suggs and Doom.

[The Raven]

Kamalei Correa has both the lowest floor and the highest ceiling on the team. He might be the rawest OLB Ozzie has ever drafted. 

I don't mean to sound like a certain wizard, but all of my concerns about him have proven true. He's not strong enough for the NFL. He bounced off Zeke. He gets pancaked on the regular when he gets in. His technique is mediocre. Sure, he's fast, but he's just running into a brick wall and falling backwards. It's like a freshmen linebacker on JV getting steamrolled by the All-District senior linebacker. Correa doesn't look like he stands a chance at playing OLB/DE in this league. If he puts it together, which I honestly doubt at this point, it'll be at ILB, where you need better tackling skills than what he's demonstrated. 

I didn't hate the pick but I can count on one hand how many times Correa has looked like a legit NFL player.

Also, I love that Judon has been great. He's everything that Correa isn't. I just have concerns that he'll be 28 when his rookie contract runs out. He's 24. That's an old rookie.

[Edgar]

Noah Spence is really starting to come on. Four sacks, two forced fumbles in somewhat limited time. 

Judon with Spence....oh well.

[Bent_Wookie]

Definitely out playing Kafusi, happy to say

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Noah Spence is really starting to come on. Four sacks, two forced fumbles in somewhat limited time. 

Judon with Spence....oh well.

there's a lot of 2nd round players in this years draft who i wouldve preferred over spence (and at the time ill admit correa as well) some of whom who've not worked out and some of whom make the correa pick look silly but if we're hindsighting here... i still dont take spence

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I was pounding my first on the table for Whitehair. Left side of the line would have been set for the next 5 years. You live you learn

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Noah Spence is really starting to come on. Four sacks, two forced fumbles in somewhat limited time. 

Judon with Spence....oh well.

His stats are little bit better than 4s/2ff but yep - he is looking better and better. We could have had both of them and scout just DBs and OL for next draft 

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

His stats are little bit better than 4s/2ff but yep - he is looking better and better. We could have had both of them and scout just DBs and OL for next draft 

I was thinking the same in terms of positional targets for 2017 draft. Nobody in last year's draft bent the edge better than him and we passed. 

Wonder how much had to do with off field. 

[jazz1988]

18 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

other than guys out injured - jaylon smith and qb - hackenberg

is there a more underwhelming 2nd round pick right now, on what we've seen this season than kc

I wouldn't consider Correa underwhelming but other  second rounders like Myles Jack , Adam Gotsis, Jihad Ward,Cyrus Jones and etc haven't contributed to the team like their teams fans may have hoped so far.

[allblackraven]

Just now, Edgar said:

I was thinking the same in terms of positional targets for 2017 draft. Nobody in last year's draft bent the edge better than him and we passed. 

Wonder how much had to do with off field. 

Who knows. Spence wasn't finished product either but there was always way more to work with than with Correa. It shows.

[kjbmore]

one thought i continually have - looking at this years class of pass rushers - maybe ozzie and co were happy to ride sizzle, doom and whatever else they could assemble, whilst picking up those couple extra picks which turned into whoever - judon, moore??

look to grab a pass rusher in this years draft, from a stronger deeper group

understand the approach but still could have traded back and grabbed somebody who's contributing

hope you prove us wrong KC - don't turn out to be Arthur Brown 2.0

 

[rossihunter2]

34 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

one thought i continually have - looking at this years class of pass rushers - maybe ozzie and co were happy to ride sizzle, doom and whatever else they could assemble, whilst picking up those couple extra picks which turned into whoever - judon, moore??

look to grab a pass rusher in this years draft, from a stronger deeper group

understand the approach but still could have traded back and grabbed somebody who's contributing

hope you prove us wrong KC - don't turn out to be Arthur Brown 2.0

 

yeah i think we will be hoping that a lengthy corner and a pass rusher/athlete turn up as bpa in high rounds

[Ravensfan23]

Not sure what people are looking for from KC right now. He spent the entire OTAs, minicamp and training camp at ILB which was basically a new position for him. The guy he was competing with to win the starting job is currently playing at a Pro Bowl level. Are we really surprised he's not playing much? He wasn't really brought in as a OLB, the Ravens want him to be a ILB/OLB hybrid type. Problem was the coaches placed to much on him rather than just giving him one position to learn. 

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I haven't seen that from him, personally.  I've been largely unimpressed with his entire body of work thus far.  There's a good play every now and then, but in his limited time on the field, he's largely been ineffective.

He's only had defensive snaps in 5 games and 4 of those games he saw 6 snaps or less. Not sure we can say what he is or isn't based on that. Then the one start he had, he actually played well. Had 2 tackles a forced fumble and set the edge really well in that game. He still has plenty of work to do but when you consider he's only been on the field every now and then, it's a good sign that he seems to make a play when on the field. I just think it's frustrating that he's not seeing the field given the history of our 2nd round picks

 

 

[RaineV1]

Boise State tends to be awful at teaching technique. Even though Boise State is a top 50 team in college football, it's a huge jump going from them to the NFL. Their players usually take a little while to develop in the pros. Honestly, there's a number of lower level colleges that do a better job of coaching their players than Boise State does. So, yeah, he's not going to give instant returns on the investment. He's a high ceiling, long term project. But he has guys like Mosley and Suggs to learn from, and the Ravens do well at coaching linebackers.

[kjbmore]

16 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Not sure what people are looking for from KC right now. He spent the entire OTAs, minicamp and training camp at ILB which was basically a new position for him. The guy he was competing with to win the starting job is currently playing at a Pro Bowl level. Are we really surprised he's not playing much? He wasn't really brought in as a OLB, the Ravens want him to be a ILB/OLB hybrid type. Problem was the coaches placed to much on him rather than just giving him one position to learn. 

He's only had defensive snaps in 5 games and 4 of those games he saw 6 snaps or less. Not sure we can say what he is or isn't based on that. Then the one start he had, he actually played well. Had 2 tackles a forced fumble and set the edge really well in that game. He still has plenty of work to do but when you consider he's only been on the field every now and then, it's a good sign that he seems to make a play when on the field. I just think it's frustrating that he's not seeing the field given the history of our 2nd round picks

 

 

a contribution, some sort of impact

i dont really blame him, more the front office

i just dont understand drafting somebody just to try and teach them / play them at a different position, we only get so many years out of these guys on their rookie contracts and you pick somebody with the intention to teach him a new position - which you know full well could take a season or 2

i can understand getting guys and having them split time, or late round picks sitting their rookie year but not a high 2nd rd pick

given the lack of impact and success, we've had over the last few years with our high draft picks - this pick has me a little dumbfounded

[usmccharles]

Ive stated numerous times, i never understood this pick, but just like BP i am willing to give it time and see, just shocking that a second round pick has made zero impact.  Literally, zero.  i can think of about 5 guys i listed predraft that i would of rather had, still like my picks better. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Ive stated numerous times, i never understood this pick, but just like BP i am willing to give it time and see, just shocking that a second round pick has made zero impact.  Literally, zero.  i can think of about 5 guys i listed predraft that i would of rather had, still like my picks better. 

While I was excited about the pick based on his potential alone, i agree with this 100%. There were some really good players we left for other teams to scoop up. Whitehair would've had our line looking very good for the next 4 years, boyd would have given us real reason for optimism in the wr corps after Steve retires, mackensie Alexander means no shareece Wright as he's been solid if I'm not mistaken, Nick Martin means zuttah steps down easily. We passed on all of em for a guy who has been a healthy scratch. 

I really hope he comes on and packs on some muscle and develops some hands in year 2

[rmw10]

7 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Not sure what people are looking for from KC right now. He spent the entire OTAs, minicamp and training camp at ILB which was basically a new position for him. The guy he was competing with to win the starting job is currently playing at a Pro Bowl level. Are we really surprised he's not playing much? He wasn't really brought in as a OLB, the Ravens want him to be a ILB/OLB hybrid type. Problem was the coaches placed to much on him rather than just giving him one position to learn. 

He's only had defensive snaps in 5 games and 4 of those games he saw 6 snaps or less. Not sure we can say what he is or isn't based on that. Then the one start he had, he actually played well. Had 2 tackles a forced fumble and set the edge really well in that game. He still has plenty of work to do but when you consider he's only been on the field every now and then, it's a good sign that he seems to make a play when on the field. I just think it's frustrating that he's not seeing the field given the history of our 2nd round picks

Agreed, but there's also preseason and he did a whole bunch of nothing there against some lower level offensive lineman as well.  Of course, that was long ago and he was just transitioning back to the outside.  I'm not all doom and gloom on him as some are.  I really just disagreed with Joey's assessment in that he's played well.  I've seen a handful of good plays, but it's mostly been him overmatched to this point in his career.  There's still plenty of time for him though.

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, kjbmore said:

i know one guys got 5.5 sacks and a few forced fumbles - so i take that as something and the other guy isnt even sniffing the field - so we can start with that

i think we would be a better team with spence - his 5.5 sacks on the season would be good for second on our team behind suggs, suggs might have a few more if we had spence this whole time - our pretty pedestrian pass rush might look half decent

come season end spence will have 10 or so sacks and half a dozen strips and people will still be saying i dont know if he would of helped our team

Your assumption is that he would automatically have 5.5 sacks on THIS team if he played for us.

What's the basis for that assumption?

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Your assumption is that he would automatically have 5.5 sacks on THIS team if he played for us.

What's the basis for that assumption?

Talent? Obviously there are more variables 

Edited November 28, 2016 by usmccharles

[Deflated Football]

I can't remember the last second rounder we struck gold on? Maybe Torrey?

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Your assumption is that he would automatically have 5.5 sacks on THIS team if he played for us.

What's the basis for that assumption?

Exactly. Great point. He'd have at least eleven on this team.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Edgar said:

Exactly. Great point. He'd have at least eleven on this team.

Or he wouldn't get the playing time to allow him to get that many...

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I can't remember the last second rounder we struck gold on? Maybe Torrey?

KO in 12, Torrey in 11. Also had Kruger in 09 and Rice in 08 in the Harbaugh era.

Plus I think most would agree that Jernigan has largely liven up to his 2nd round grade at this point, so he was a 14 pick.

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or he wouldn't get the playing time to allow him to get that many...

Ok. So nine or so.