Is the defense for real?

[VermontRaven]

Some nice stats for our defense:

 

[gtalk12]

no our defense that's been consistent for 9 weeks is completely fake 

[redrum52]

4 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

no our defense that's been consistent for 9 weeks is completely fake 

Get a chance to really see what they're made of in upcoming weeks.  

[Purple_City39]

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Some nice stats for our defense:

 

Honestly, if we had a better pass rush, it'd be the 2006 defense all over again

[52liveforever]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

Honestly, if we had a better pass rush, it'd be the 2006 defense all over again

 

Our rush has definitely improved the past couple of weeks. Honestly, the main man responsible for our improved pass rush the past couple of games isn't even a pass rusher. Tavon Young is unshakable. QBs are having to hold the ball longer. QBs who got the ball out quick torched us. Young is consistently right there to make the play or at the least the tackle. 

 

Jalen Ramsey who?

[Filmstudy]

6 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Some nice stats for our defense:

 

The big 3 stats left out (i assume for emphasis) by the Ravens PR department:

12th in sacks per pass play

28th in 4th down stop percentage

22nd in red zone defense

Edited November 15, 2016 by Filmstudy

[52liveforever]

7 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

The big 3 stats left out (i assume for emphasis) by the Ravens PR department:

12th in sacks per pass play

28th in 4th down stop percentage

22nd in red zone defense

I'd be interested to know what percentage of the 4th and redzone stats are happening in the fourth quarter. Our defense usually fizzles rather than sizzles late and though conditioning could be a factor(the offense keeping them on the field so much), but also the play calling seems to change to a more passive defense and we get toasted.

[K-Dog]

Who still wants to fire Dean Pees ?

( no seriously are there still those that do ? )

[redrum52]

4 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Who still wants to fire Dean Pees ?

( no seriously are there still those that do ? )

Yup

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Who still wants to fire Dean Pees ?

( no seriously are there still those that do ? )

One female poster in particular.

[52liveforever]

7 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Who still wants to fire Dean Pees ?

( no seriously are there still those that do ? )

No, he cooled his seat quite considerably.

[Ravenseconbeast]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

One female poster in particular.

Lately yes, but there were ton of 'folks' here that wanted him gone early in offseason.   

Glad we stuck with Pees.

[K-Dog]

57 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

No, he cooled his seat quite considerably.

That sounds funnier than it should . 

[Adreme]

3 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

The big 3 stats left out (i assume for emphasis) by the Ravens PR department:

12th in sacks per pass play

28th in 4th down stop percentage

22nd in red zone defense

I would call every single stat they quoted much bigger than the stats they left out.  How they are managing to not give up passing plays (sacks or just good defense) is less relevant to me from a statistical standpoint then the fact that it is just getting done and all those stats highlight that they are not giving up the big play and they are handling keeping people from starting drives.

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Some nice stats for our defense:

 

That 3rd down % stat is so great. You're the best in the league in getting off the field. Reading that is just so amazing considering in 2014 we couldn't do that. It's amazing what our defense has done this year. Credit to Dean Pees and the defense, what a fantastic group of guys. That's a highly valuable stat. Then I look at the turnover stats and it just makes me so proud of this unit. Seriously, great job. 

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

 

Our rush has definitely improved the past couple of weeks. Honestly, the main man responsible for our improved pass rush the past couple of games isn't even a pass rusher. Tavon Young is unshakable. QBs are having to hold the ball longer. QBs who got the ball out quick torched us. Young is consistently right there to make the play or at the least the tackle. 

 

Jalen Ramsey who?

Judon and Suggs completely ripped apart Cleveland's OL. I give credit to both for how well they played. Both of them have played well past two games. Our CBs have certainly helped though. Seahawks were 20th in the league in sacks in the 2014 season, I would like to see the statistics on the pressure they got on QBs but if you got good coverage CBs then you can mask the lack of pressure. That said, if we can get Judon going and get Doom back close to what he is, then watch out for this defense. 

[usmccharles]

I would of loved to see a healthy doom out there.  I really hope we can find a good young pass rusher next year, or maybe judon is that guy? We need to find Suggs replacement 

Edited November 15, 2016 by usmccharles

[Filmstudy]

On 11/15/2016 at 3:45 PM, usmccharles said:

I would of loved to see a healthy doom out there.  I really hope we can find a good young pass rusher next year, or maybe judon is that guy? We need to find Suggs replacement 

Suggs' replacement isn't on the team yet.  He'll be a top of the first round selection.

[RavensFanMania]

16 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Suggs' replacement isn't on the team yet.  He'll be a top of the first round selection.

So we are trading up this year?

[JoeyFlex5]

can anyone explain to me how the hell it is possible for our defensive stats to be this good... with shareece wright starting for a good portion of the season and getting toasted badly, and with our pass rush being completely nonexistent outside of like 2 games? 

it doesnt compute, i just dont get it lol. our pass rush for most of the season was jernigan, judon has gotten some decent pressure but hasnt finished, suggs gets a torn biceps and suddenly gets better after he was a non factor in the pass rush for a while, doom has been out for basically the whole year, KC and ZDS have given absolutely nothing, we have mclellan taking pass rush snaps... HOW IS THIS HAPPENING??? lol. im so confused. 

i am someone who has always thought that safeties have been wrongly undervalued, but i never wouldve thought that changing our safety tandem to webb and weddle wouldve had this much impact on our secondary, and i cant believe how impactful our linebackers are in coverage, that is probably where the strength is. mosley and orr have been an incredible tandem this year, in coverage, run stuffing, and blitzing. 

Edited November 20, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[hn68wb4]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

can anyone explain to me how the hell it is possible for our defensive stats to be this good... with shareece wright starting for a good portion of the season and getting toasted badly, and with our pass rush being completely nonexistent outside of like 2 games? 

it doesnt compute, i just dont get it lol. our pass rush for most of the season was jernigan, judon has gotten some decent pressure but hasnt finished, suggs gets a torn biceps and suddenly gets better after he was a non factor in the pass rush for a while, doom has been out for basically the whole year, KC and ZDS have given absolutely nothing, we have mclellan taking pass rush snaps... HOW IS THIS HAPPENING??? lol. im so confused. 

i am someone who has always thought that safeties have been wrongly undervalued, but i never wouldve thought that changing our safety tandem to webb and weddle wouldve had this much impact on our secondary, and i cant believe how impactful our linebackers are in coverage, that is probably where the strength is. mosley and orr have been an incredible tandem this year, in coverage, run stuffing, and blitzing. 

It just goes to show how good the pieces we do have work together. You look around our defense and you don't see those big names that lots of people around here obsess about, Suggs and Doom are the only big name guys out there, maybe Weddle too, but I think if you ask people to rank safeties he'd get underrated more often than not, and all three of those guys are on the wrong side of 30 - and the previous two have been having injury issues the past two years. But look everywhere else, it's a bunch of undervalued, gritty guys that have been taught well how to work together - we were all calling for Pees' head on multiple occasions but we've got to give it up to him on this, he's done a great job of making these guys play team defense. Also, we've got to give it up to Ozzie, the man knows defense, he may not be great at building the offense through the draft but this defense, sans the OLBs for the most part, is young and built to last, these young guys are performing. And unlike some defenses this defense isn't just a group of former first rounders, we've got guys from all over the draft - and Orr, McClellan, and Pierce who weren't drafted at all.

Also I think people are really, really underestimating the effect that getting Doom back will have, if he's at least 90% then him coming back would be huge. Generating reliable pressure could be the difference between having the #5 pass D and having the #1 pass D. I really hope he plays this week, we could really use him.

Edited November 20, 2016 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

On 11/14/2016 at 8:41 PM, Filmstudy said:

The big 3 stats left out (i assume for emphasis) by the Ravens PR department:

12th in sacks per pass play

28th in 4th down stop percentage

22nd in red zone defense

I think some context would really change the perception of those:

12th in sacks per pass play - We're shutting down the run so effectively that teams are passing more, we have struggled in the pass rush department so that would account for having more sacks than it seems. Doom coming back would help this one, but all things considered, 12th isn't bad at all.

28th in 4th down stop percentage - Going for it on 4th doesn't exactly happy too often, so I think that percentage might swing considerably per 4th down attempt. I don't think this stat holds very much weight without seeing the raw numbers on that.

22nd in red zone defense - No real argument here, once in the red zone we give up too many TDs, but as noted earlier, I'd like to see the quarter breakdown of this one, in the 4th quarter we roll out the prevent and give up plays like in the steelers game.

Edited November 20, 2016 by hn68wb4

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

It just goes to show how good the pieces we do have work together. You look around our defense and you don't see those big names that lots of people around here obsess about, Suggs and Doom are the only big name guys out there, maybe Weddle too, but I think if you ask people to rank safeties he'd get underrated more often than not, and all three of those guys are on the wrong side of 30 - and the previous two have been having injury issues the past two years. But look everywhere else, it's a bunch of undervalued, gritty guys that have been taught well how to work together - we were all calling for Pees' head on multiple occasions but we've got to give it up to him on this, he's done a great job of making these guys play team defense. Also, we've got to give it up to Ozzie, the man knows defense, he may not be great at building the offense through the draft but this defense, sans the OLBs for the most part, is young and built to last, these young guys are performing. And unlike some defenses this defense isn't just a group of former first rounders, we've got guys from all over the draft - and Orr, McClellan, and Pierce who weren't drafted at all.

Also I think people are really, really underestimating the effect that getting Doom back will have, if he's at least 90% then him coming back would be huge. Generating reliable pressure could be the difference between having the #5 pass D and having the #1 pass D. I really hope he plays this week, we could really use him.

i do give it up to pees. ive always been up and down with him and ill admit im way too quick to place blame on him, and most of it has to do with his track record of late game meltdowns. everytime i would see our defensive gameplan change in the 4th i would start cursing pees' name but the rest of the game ive always said he does a great job. and honestly ive still seen the meltdowns and gameplan changes in the 4th this year that have been really frustrating, but really its business as usual with him and his gameplan, difference being our execution for the first 50 minutes of gameplay each week compared to years past, we are executing and swarming to the ball and playing well as a unit, when in years past that whole swarming and sure tackling thing was a real problem for us. 

really it just seems to be the most basic of things making this defense so good.

55 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I think some context would really change the perception of those:

12th in sacks per pass play - We're shutting down the run so effectively that teams are passing more, we have struggled in the pass rush department so that would account for having more sacks than it seems. Doom coming back would help this one, but all things considered, 12th isn't bad at all.

28th in 4th down stop percentage - Going for it on 4th doesn't exactly happy too often, so I think that percentage might swing considerably per 4th down attempt. I don't think this stat holds very much weight without seeing the raw numbers on that.

22nd in red zone defense - No real argument here, once in the red zone we give up too many TDs, but as noted earlier, I'd like to see the quarter breakdown of this one, in the 4th quarter we roll out the prevent and give up plays like in the steelers game.

i think a lot of the red zone defense is gonna be skewed because of the way wright was performing earlier in the year. he was getting us crushed in the red zone if memory serves..

[usmccharles]

21 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

Suggs' replacement isn't on the team yet.  He'll be a top of the first round selection.

Which we will most likely miss out on.  

[K-Dog]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Which we will most likely miss out on.  

and I think we should grab a corner first.  
( I will concede I know NOTHING about the next draft class )

[usmccharles]

24 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

and I think we should grab a corner first.  
( I will concede I know NOTHING about the next draft class )

I think going into the draft saying your going to select a certain position first is a mistake.  Need to see who Is on the board.  A corner would be nice,  but I think a pass rusher is more important at this point.  

[Militant X 1]

This defense gave up 1st & 30 today against the Cowboys and they couldn't force one punt from them in the 4th quarter.

There's your answer!

[OUravensfan]

25 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

This defense gave up 1st & 30 today against the Cowboys and they couldn't force one punt from them in the 4th quarter.

There's your answer!

Sadly there is your answer 

[Tank 92]

26 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

This defense gave up 1st & 30 today against the Cowboys and they couldn't force one punt from them in the 4th quarter.

There's your answer!

That's not what the reverend said.  lol

[Militant X 1]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

That's not what the reverend said.  lol

I didn't see it yet.  What did he say?