Is the defense for real?

[redrum52]

3 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

Crazy that we have 3 impact rookies in Judon, Young, and Pierce. These three could be stars.

Could easily see them being key pieces down the line.  Will make the Williams decision easier if he demands too much.  

[Ravenseconbeast]

1 hour ago, 52liveforever said:

Crazy that we have 3 impact rookies in Judon, Young, and Pierce. These three could be stars.

But I thought Flaccopologists were shouldering blame on Ozzie to get fired?  What happen to "ozzie is too old, draft classes has been a joke" ???

 

[RavensPunkXVX]

I really like this defense. Playmakers at every level. Dline, linebacker, and secondary. 

[arnie_uk]

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

52 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

Timmy Jernigan also broke out this year and we added Michael Pierce who can push the pocket as well. Add in Tavon young who's been proven to be valuable and for the most part us staying healthy

[K-Dog]

I blame Pees.

Edited November 11, 2016 by K-Dog

[Purple_City39]

3 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

1.  Jernigan stepped up this season.
2.  Pierce is flat out balling as an undrafted rookie
3.  Jimmy Smith is healthy and showing he can play
4.  Tavon Young as a rookie shows more promise than any #2 CB we've had since 2012
5.  CJ Mosely stepped up in coverage since last season
6.  Zachary Orr is proving he should be next to Mosely for years to come
7.  Weddle
8.  Matt Judon is showing he can be at worst Dumervil

 

There is simply talent on the defense.  I mean legit talent for the first time in awhile.  

[arnie_uk]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Timmy Jernigan also broke out this year and we added Michael Pierce who can push the pocket as well. Add in Tavon young who's been proven to be valuable and for the most part us staying healthy

 

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

1.  Jernigan stepped up this season.
2.  Pierce is flat out balling as an undrafted rookie
3.  Jimmy Smith is healthy and showing he can play
4.  Tavon Young as a rookie shows more promise than any #2 CB we've had since 2012
5.  CJ Mosely stepped up in coverage since last season
6.  Zachary Orr is proving he should be next to Mosely for years to come
7.  Weddle
8.  Matt Judon is showing he can be at worst Dumervil

 

There is simply talent on the defense.  I mean legit talent for the first time in awhile.  

It doesn't seem like our pressure is any more or less than last year though? teams just cant pass on us and pass rush is clearly our weakest link.

[kjbmore]

24 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

 

It doesn't seem like our pressure is any more or less than last year though? teams just cant pass on us and pass rush is clearly our weakest link.

Waiting til we play cinci and the pats before we claim teams can't pass on us

the jets, Giants, raiders were successful against us, although if we'd had our current secondary jimmy, tavon, powers in those games - we may be looking at a healthier record

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

But I thought Flaccopologists were shouldering blame on Ozzie to get fired?  What happen to "ozzie is too old, draft classes has been a joke" ???

 

Why did you focus solely on the 2016 draft class? What kind of production is the 2015 draft class providing us right now? How about the 2012 draft class? Not a single player out of 8 picks is on the active roster.

Ozzie's not getting fired, nor should he. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

I blame Peas.

I blame Corn.

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30 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

 

It doesn't seem like our pressure is any more or less than last year though? teams just cant pass on us and pass rush is clearly our weakest link.

They said the defense was simplified and better communication in the secondary.  too often we saw the defense still adjusting up to the ball being snapped.  also having another competent corner opposite Jimmy.  tackling is better and guys just seem to have a better grasp.  Better personnel also doesn't hurt.

[rmcjacket23]

33 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

 

It doesn't seem like our pressure is any more or less than last year though? teams just cant pass on us and pass rush is clearly our weakest link.

Seems to be personnel changes in the secondary and an improved Dline in my eyes.

I mean in a base 3-4 with 4 DBs on the field, 3 of them are essentially new or new to their position. Young and Weddle look like significant upgrades, and Webb, while not great, is certainly an upgrade over the lineup we were sending out the last couple years.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

I would say a couple things.

Weddle is a big part - having an elite playmaker, and a guy who excels at reading offenses, getting guys lined up, leading, and just provides a sure tackler/one of the best coverage safeties in the league so far is a huge upgrade over anything we've had back there in forever.

Also the combo with Webb gives us 2 legitimately interchangeable guys back there as both can cover, blitz, come up and play the box, even drop down and cover man to man. It just allows us to be way more multiple and interchangeable with our coverage looks so we're way more difficult to diagnose pre-snap.

Individual players really stepping their game up. Jimmy Smith being healthy and potentially erasing either one side of the field or the other teams top target each week allows everyone else to focus coverage in other areas. So the field effectively shrinks for our opponent.

Young has given us a 2nd legit cover man that can lock his guy down, and we dont have to over commit help to any one area of our coverage.

Both ILB's are playing way way better in coverage.

Open field tackling has been night and day. We might be the best tackling team in the league, after it being a pretty glaring weakness for a couple years.

Our DL is balling. And we have serious depth there so we're not relying on just a 3-4 man rotation with guys getting gassed. BWill, Jernigan, Pierce, Guy, and Urban are all playing effectively and making plays.

Our run D isnt giving up anything. Like, literally nothing. So, we're forcing teams to be pretty one dimensional if they want any prayer of consistently picking up 3rd downs. Not a good situation to be in 3rd and long all night.

And, just our depth across the board is way better than its been. Getting efforts from guys like Judon, Guy, Urban, Pierce, Powers, Young (whos now not depth), Zadarius even showed up last night.

We have WAY more speed across the board. We're closing everything faster and eliminating YAC. Combine that with the sure tackling and offenses are literally only getting what's given - nothing more.

We're forcing Turnovers. Getting drive killing, momentum changing, field flipping plays like that makes a world of difference.

 

Its a host of things, and i think theyre all intertwined in some ways. Personnel, talent, athleticism, depth... and that all allows Pees to do more and have what he wants executed properly.

Edited November 11, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Drew P]

I could hardly recognize Urban in mop up duty but he sure adds some nice depth behind Guy

[January J]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

I could hardly recognize Urban in mop up duty but he sure adds some nice depth behind Guy

Another game or two like the last two weeks and it might be time to change that profile pic bro..

[Drew P]

7 minutes ago, January J said:

Another game or two like the last two weeks and it might be time to change that profile pic bro..

Fool's gold. Pump the brakes. It was Cody Kessler and a gimpy Benji.

Let's circle back after the visit to Jerry World and against the Red BB gun.

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I blame Corn.

Dang it !!!

[Rav'n Maniac]

Did anyone catch the Pierce 725 lb squat during the game last night. For those that didn't, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMGNVgIx0ks

 

[VermontRaven]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Another game or two like the last two weeks and it might be time to change that profile pic bro..

I say keep it. Don't mess up their mojo.

[January J]

2 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I say keep it. Don't mess up their mojo.

Lol Good call 

[RaineV1]

11 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

It was having Weddle, Orr and Mosley both really stepping up in coverage, being healthy, and Pees streamlining the defensive plays.

[Filmstudy]

Urban played just 4 snaps, but had a pressure, a batted pass when double teamed, and a run stop for 0 that was almost a safety.

I thought he might be used on the offensive line had there been another injury and Zuttah not returned.

[Deflated Football]

12 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

Health and a significant upgrade at talent, especially at the S position. Webb over Lewis any day of the week. Wish we still had Brooks though ?

[52liveforever]

13 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

But I thought Flaccopologists were shouldering blame on Ozzie to get fired?  What happen to "ozzie is too old, draft classes has been a joke" ???

 

I'm not sure what Flaccopologists have to do with that? I definitely don't want Ozzie to get fired and have never once said anything like that. Only 4 guys on the defensive side of ball that see reps didn't start in Baltimore. Weddle, Guy, Dumervil, and Powers. The 13 or so guys began with Baltimore. Ozzie built this defense through drafting and undrafted rookies with a couple additional pieces. The offense is a different story and a different Thread.

[Drew P]

49 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Urban played just 4 snaps, but had a pressure, a batted pass when double teamed, and a run stop for 0 that was almost a safety.

I thought he might be used on the offensive line had there been another injury and Zuttah not returned.

No doubt I was thinking the same thing he couldn't be any worse than Hurst

[VermontRaven]

16 minutes ago, Drew P said:

No doubt I was thinking the same thing he couldn't be any worse than Hurst

In all fairness to Hurst, minus a tiny bit in the preseason, we've only seen him at tackle, not guard. And I have no clie what kind of o lineman Urban would be

[Filmstudy]

 

On 11/11/2016 at 4:22 PM, VermontRaven said:

In all fairness to Hurst, minus a tiny bit in the preseason, we've only seen him at tackle, not guard. And I have no clie what kind of o lineman Urban would be

 Hurst played 6 snaps at guard versus the Browns when they finally pulled Zuttah.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Answer: This defense is for real.

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/teamstat.html?group=D&cat=T

With the play-making emergence and contributions of the youngsters...it's looking very promising.

[Tank 92]

On 11/11/2016 at 3:14 AM, arnie_uk said:

What's changed? It can't just be Weddle is it?

If it is we seriously need to hit on another safety in the next 3 years of the draft if they are that important.

I think it does have a lot to do with Weddle coming in. Seems he's got everyone on the same page back there, communicating. Also, an added simplistic change has made a huge difference. Most on the D are wrapping up and tackling. Go figure, a lot of defenders that are sure tacklers.  lol 

If they can solve the issue of getting consistent pressure, watch out.