Brady Quinn

[Ravensfan23]

Hey guys i recently made a post on one of the Stains broads(don't worry i washed up really well before i came back) and i made a comment that sent there broad in a roar. I compared Quinn to Boller in a not so negative way. I told them that i thought Quinn was a hellva QB and could be their Franchise. However if things don't go well in the first 2 or 3 season then he and Phil could be linked to Boller in the sense of Phil Savage making the same mistake twice.

They wanted to compare college stats but my compare was a little different. Quinn is going into a situation where his team has been lookin for a franchise QB since coming back into the league. Much like Boller.

Quinn will be most likely view upon as the Man the Savior. Some fans were happy they got him others thought they gave up too much. Just like Boller.

Quinn has Frye/Anderson to learn from or not. Boller had Wright/Redman. Much like Boller Quinn will be shoved into the starting role weather he earns it or not.

I don't think Quinn is a better QB then any of the top 3 from last season, but he is a good QB. Just like Aaron Rogers his slide was no suprise to me. Before the draft i actually though he would fall to us and we could pick up a 1st rounder in 08 to trade back. Of course now i know that we would have selected him. I think that if Troy Smith and Chris Leak were 6'2 and above they would be rated higher then Quinn and i feel both players are better in talent. Quinn is the most NFL ready rookie QB in this draft, but having a QB to get u perpare for the next level is nothing like being on the next level. If the Browns can not have 1 winning season or at least 8 wins in the next 3 years i think this will blow up in Phil's Face. What do u guys think?

[berad]

I think not having 8 wins in 3 years will blow up in anyones face.

I think Quinn has the potential to be good.

He has some weapons:

Braylon Edwards

Kellen Winslow

Joe Jurivius(sp)

but that line may be his undoing (the right side)

[Ravensfan23]

I think not having 8 wins in 3 years will blow up in anyones face.

I think Quinn has the potential to be good.

He has some weapons:

Braylon Edwards

Kellen Winslow

Joe Jurivius(sp)

but that line may be his undoing (the right side)

I agree 100% about that blowing up in anyones face and like i said i think Quinn is a fine QB. But Romeo is on his last legs, and if the Browns have a top 10 year and the year after in the draft i think Phil is gone. This is not some much a knock on Quinn and i give Phil props for going all out to make his franchise better. However i think this move put more pressure on Phil. If in 2 seasons the Brown can not get out of the basment of the AFCN and at least show signs of improving then Phil is out of the door. And i believe making this deal will be a big factor.

[theFRANCHISE]

I agree 100% about that blowing up in anyones face and like i said i think Quinn is a fine QB. But Romeo is on his last legs, and if the Browns have a top 10 year and the year after in the draft i think Phil is gone. This is not some much a knock on Quinn and i give Phil props for going all out to make his franchise better. However i think this move put more pressure on Phil. If in 2 seasons the Brown can not get out of the basment of the AFCN and at least show signs of improving then Phil is out of the door. And i believe making this deal will be a big factor.

Agreed.

Honestly, if Phil Savage can't rescue this team, then who can???...

Everyone has almost universally agreed that Savage has been one of the best things to happen to the Browns, and if they can't dig themselves out of their hole with his help, then there may be no saving the team...

[Ravnet]

Quinn is more accustomed to pressure and has alot more to play with, Jamal, Edwards, and Winslow.

[theFRANCHISE]

But...when it comes down to who has the better toys to play with, Troy Smith or Brady Quinn, you know our boy Troy gets the win in that situation...

[cage0101]

i agree they will have to improve for phil to keep his job but with us the steelers and bengals in the division he may be screwed its gonna take at least two seasons for these players to get some chemistry and start to win in my opinion

[BrownsFan]

I can't honestly say whether or not Quinn will succeed or not. He certainly has the ability to but as with a lot of NFL players, who really knows? Look at all the busts that the NFL has seen and all the unknowns that has made star NFL careers.. it's a coin flip with a lot of players. I certainly think Quinn has a good chance to be something great but ultimately time will tell. With that being said however I don't regret Cleveland taking him at #22. I was against them taking him at #3 because I felt Joe Thomas was the better pick... but with the chance to get him at #22 it was a move Cleveland had to make. You all full well know the state of our franchise and it's for the most part garbage right now.. however I believe Savage is making strides to turn it around. Just need some of these picks to pan out and some luck would be nice too instead of having to send every single player to the Cleveland Clinic to get a staph infection.

As far as job security I believe Savage has earned himself a couple more seasons at the least. I would like to say the same about Crennel but it seems Lerner is feeling a lot of pressure from fans to do something fast.. which also is the main reason for getting Quinn when given the opportunity. I think Crennel should get 1 more year minimum but at least two if the team shows improvement next season. Improvement maybe not being in the W-L column but noticeable improvement from players on the field and better overall results. We'll see what happens with that I suppose.

With all of that being said however I agree with you Ravensfan23 and cage0101 on your opinions. Personally I don't feel like we gave up too much at all. We got our potential franchise QB this year instead of someone like Brian Brohm or whomever else declares next year.

[Ravensfan23]

I can't honestly say whether or not Quinn will succeed or not. He certainly has the ability to but as with a lot of NFL players, who really knows? Look at all the busts that the NFL has seen and all the unknowns that has made star NFL careers.. it's a coin flip with a lot of players. I certainly think Quinn has a good chance to be something great but ultimately time will tell. With that being said however I don't regret Cleveland taking him at #22. I was against them taking him at #3 because I felt Joe Thomas was the better pick... but with the chance to get him at #22 it was a move Cleveland had to make. You all full well know the state of our franchise and it's for the most part garbage right now.. however I believe Savage is making strides to turn it around. Just need some of these picks to pan out and some luck would be nice too instead of having to send every single player to the Cleveland Clinic to get a staph infection.

As far as job security I believe Savage has earned himself a couple more seasons at the least. I would like to say the same about Crennel but it seems Lerner is feeling a lot of pressure from fans to do something fast.. which also is the main reason for getting Quinn when given the opportunity. I think Crennel should get 1 more year minimum but at least two if the team shows improvement next season. Improvement maybe not being in the W-L column but noticeable improvement from players on the field and better overall results. We'll see what happens with that I suppose.

With all of that being said however I agree with you Ravensfan23 and cage0101 on your opinions. Personally I don't feel like we gave up too much at all. We got our potential franchise QB this year instead of someone like Brian Brohm or whomever else declares next year.

I don't feel like u guys gave up to much because of the state of your franchise. Right now it doesn't matter if u guys give up a lot to get a player or 2 that u feel will be main stays on your team. I've heard some of your Browns fans say the best part of getting Quinn is to know that you pulled him from our finger tips. I don't feel that is true, with no 3rd or 4th rounder this season and Ozzie saying he would never give up a 1st rounder again i don't think the Ravens really thought they could get Quinn unless KC passed him up. I just think they were doing what they had to do to see the interest level and to know what was goin on with other teams involving Quinn. Quinn will be a solid QB, but its up to the Browns to determine how good or great he will be. I really think you guys should try to find a way to get a vet QB for Quinn to watch and learn from. How much do u think he could really learn from DA and Frye? With those too guys on your roster the pressure will be put on by the fans/personall for Romeo to see what the Kid can do. Quinn will be given the label as savior even if he doesn't want it. Being in the situation to play for your hometown team is great, but it's a flip side to that coin. How will Quinn react when the Browns don't play winning football and the boos start to rain down. IF Phil is as smart as i think he is the same mistakes he witness with Boller will not be made with Quinn. Give him a line that will keep him upright, some healthy recieving weapons and a RB that can take the load. Also you need to build that Defense around Wimbley, and the young talented CB you have(leigh) or something like that. I think that the Browns are on there way to respectibily, i just feel like with this move Phil has been put in a position of boom or bust. Will Quinn be to the Browns as Plamer was to the Bengals, or will the Browns be in search of another Franchise QB in a few year like the Ravens did. This is the way it is for the head decision maker, unfortunatly for Phil he doesn't have the solo track record of Ozzie so for him Brady Quinn is not only the future of the Browns, but he's Phil's future as well

[Tiz]

I can't honestly say whether or not Quinn will succeed or not. He certainly has the ability to but as with a lot of NFL players, who really knows? Look at all the busts that the NFL has seen and all the unknowns that has made star NFL careers.. it's a coin flip with a lot of players. I certainly think Quinn has a good chance to be something great but ultimately time will tell. With that being said however I don't regret Cleveland taking him at #22. I was against them taking him at #3 because I felt Joe Thomas was the better pick... but with the chance to get him at #22 it was a move Cleveland had to make. You all full well know the state of our franchise and it's for the most part garbage right now.. however I believe Savage is making strides to turn it around. Just need some of these picks to pan out and some luck would be nice too instead of having to send every single player to the Cleveland Clinic to get a staph infection.

As far as job security I believe Savage has earned himself a couple more seasons at the least. I would like to say the same about Crennel but it seems Lerner is feeling a lot of pressure from fans to do something fast.. which also is the main reason for getting Quinn when given the opportunity. I think Crennel should get 1 more year minimum but at least two if the team shows improvement next season. Improvement maybe not being in the W-L column but noticeable improvement from players on the field and better overall results. We'll see what happens with that I suppose.

With all of that being said however I agree with you Ravensfan23 and cage0101 on your opinions. Personally I don't feel like we gave up too much at all. We got our potential franchise QB this year instead of someone like Brian Brohm or whomever else declares next year.

I didn't have a great feel about Quinn prior to you guys picking him up so if I get a Tim couch feeling from him it's not real haterism I really didn't see him as anything special last year nor did I think Notre Dame played that many good teams.

As for Savage I think the improvements on your defense will be what's saving him....

[shutdownculdeSACK]

If Brady Quinn pans out, that turns into a pretty good paper offense with Edwards, Winslow, Jamal if he has anything left in the tank, & is Jurevicius still there? Their line won't be bad as Joe Thomas develops, and if they ever get Bentley back he was a good player.

The other interesting analysis I heard about Quinn was on ESPN NFL Live with Len Pasquarelli, he said that Chaz Frye is trying to work extremely hard this summer to redeem himself Drew Brees-style - have your team draft a first round QB the year after you play poorly, then have a great next season (if they start the season with Frye) and force your team to make a tough decision.

[theFRANCHISE]

Well, if both Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn end up producing for them, it's much better to have that kind of QB controversy than the one with Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb. Besides, if Frye and Quinn both start to pan out, they can't complain...better to have two quality QB's on the roster than none at all...

[BrownsFan]

Totally agree Ravensfan.. this is going to be a boom or bust move for Savage and the Browns FO. I don't feel they felt they needed to make this move I believe they *had* to. As you said and I feel identically, with the states of the Browns organization and franchise right now you *HAVE* to get your potential franchise QB and LT if possible.. there is no excuse or reason to justify not going for it.

I've given a lot of thought too about him starting or not right off the bat and part of me would like to see it but at the same time, part of me doesn't want to see Tim Couch part 2 and watch Quinn get thrown to the wolves right off the bat. Granted I don't feel he'll learn a lot from Frye but I think there could be something to be learned. And as with what another posted mentioned this SHOULD make Frye practice/learn/play harder because he has to know if he somehow produces this season as a starter he will be traded.. there's no way Cleveland will keep him and get rid of Quinn after giving up the 1st rounder in '08 for him. I think it could be great for Frye and hopefully it will make him play better.. he has pressure now that he didn't have for the good portion of '07.

To address another comment I do ultimately feel our defense will get better and if we could just get some luck to go our way it might help. Bodden developed into a good CB but he's all alone out there. Sean Jones turned out to be a great pickup from Georgia a couple of years back and Wimbley, Andra Davis and D'Qwell Jackson have panned out great.. the defense is on its way I feel but there are still more pieces of the puzzle we need.

And as far as your comment Franchise Amen.. the Couch/Holcomb saga was a damn embarassment to the organization IMO. Botch Davis was an idiot and granted he did make a couple of good draft picks.. the majority of them were lame and ill-advised.

[theFRANCHISE]

And as far as your comment Franchise Amen.. the Couch/Holcomb saga was a damn embarassment to the organization IMO. Botch Davis was an idiot and granted he did make a couple of good draft picks.. the majority of them were lame and ill-advised.

Honestly (and call me crazy for still believing this), but I think Tim Couch could've legitimately panned out and been a decent QB for Cleveland if things hadn't happened the way they did. For instance, the shoddy coaching staff didn't help and playbook didn't help. Neither did throwing Couch into the fire with a poor supporting cast, and expecting him to carry the entire team on his back starting from the day he was drafted.

To me, he falls under the same umbrella as to how Kyle Boller became perceived as a bust.

Granted, Couch earned the distinction of being a bust by not living up to the much higher expectations of a first overall pick, but it didn't help that there were things out of his control to hamper his success, such as injuries and the QB rotation.

In theory, if Cleveland had the patience to grab a veteran to groom Tim Couch, and invested in a better supporting cast, he may not have dug himself into a hole so soon, and he may have gone on to do great things for the Browns. Keyphrase, however: IF...

[BrownsFan]

I don't believe that to be crazy at all cause I agree. The team was in shambles from the get-go in '99 and any legitimate fan knew it was going to be ugly. There was constant bickering within the organization and FO and nobody agreed on anything. Combine that with dreadful and horrible scouting and drafting and it's just a mess.

Tim Couch to me was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Any QB taken there by Cleveland gets his career ruined. The city wanted him to be the man that came out on the high horse and brought the team back to glory and it wasn't happening. All you have to do is look at how many players Cleveland has drafted and see how many are still in the league. The numbers speak for itself..