Week 1: The good the bad and the ugly vs Buffalo

[ellicottraven]

40 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's definitely hard to say.  I've always found them to be pretty spot on in regards to OL, but like you said, different people grade in different ways.  While I love their OL grades, as Joey said, I think they are awful at the secondary.  I'm still shocked Will Hill didn't catch more slack for how many times he got caught looking in the backfield or was late providing help over the top, but that's where PFF faltered in that he didn't get knocked for that because he wasn't the person solely responsible for the coverage.

To get back on topic though, I think what Filmstudy described and what PFF described shows how different two opinions could be.  To the naked eye watching the game live, I thought Yanda wasn't his typical self, but wasn't bad by any means.  That's where you have to wonder what PFF saw to anoint him the best.  That's not saying that they're wrong, but definitely shows how there is no foolproof way of telling who is right.

I think we've seen Yanda dominate and never make silly mistakes like false start penalties, holding calls etc. Short of those 2 calls, he played well. But, since those two plays stick out and the fact that there were no really long runs on the right side and the fact that Flacco was sacked 4 times leads us to believe Yanda played poorly. It wasn't his best game but he did well.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I think we've seen Yanda dominate and never make silly mistakes like false start penalties, holding calls etc. Short of those 2 calls, he played well. But, since those two plays stick out and the fact that there were no really long runs on the right side and the fact that Flacco was sacked 4 times leads us to believe Yanda played poorly. It wasn't his best game but he did well.

There was also a sack in the 4th quarter if i recall correctly that could be placed on Yanda. I think Wagner passed him off, and either Yanda was late getting there and couldnt latch on, or Wagner passed him too quick. Probably could go either way, but regardless thats something im used to seeing Yanda handle.

But, im gonna chalk it up to 1st game, lots of new pieces with Zuttah coming back and the 2 rookies playing for the first time. Maybe Yanda had some of his attention on making sure the rookies were getting the calls correctly and taking care of their business and it caused him to lapse a bit with his own focus.

Either way, not concerned. It wasnt like he played terrible. He was still pretty darn good; just expectation sets his grading scale much higher and 3-4 mistakes is something we're not used to seeing from Yanda over a whole season let alone in one game.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Watching Fitzpatrick shred the Bills tonight over the middle, reminded me of my frustrations with Trestman or Joe not recognizing the middle of the field being open all game vs the Bills. Well the middle is still open, and it only took the Jets the first quarter to figure it out, and exploit it. In game adjustments. Have crossing patterns to exploit it. This is what I want to see going forward. If the deep ball is there, exploit that. Make adjustments. I see Belichek with a pencil taking notes all game, and guess what he does, Makes Adjustments and exploits weaknesses.

[Maryland]

3 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Watching Fitzpatrick shred the Bills tonight over the middle, reminded me of my frustrations with Trestman or Joe not recognizing the middle of the field being open all game vs the Bills. Well the middle is still open, and it only took the Jets the first quarter to figure it out, and exploit it. In game adjustments. Have crossing patterns to exploit it. This is what I want to see going forward. If the deep ball is there, exploit that. Make adjustments. I see Belichek with a pencil taking notes all game, and guess what he does, Makes Adjustments and exploits weaknesses.

Honestly, if you're going to take anything away from that game, it's how much the Jets tested the Bills' lack of safety help down-field. Our offense could have thrown deep more frequently week 1, but they chose not to. They seemed to be much more conservative the second half. 

[PolishRifle]

God, so much complaining. You'd think we lost the game. Trestman was put in an awful situation last year with all the injuries and our offense still looked okay, which lesser OCs probbaly wouldn't be able to pull off with Mallett under center. Give the guy and Joe, who came back from an injury he suffered from 9 month ago, some time to jell.

Seriously, I'm just gratefull Joe is on the field this early. There's really not much I can complain about here.

[Halshayeji]

On September 11, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Edug27 said:

1. We found a way to win a close game. That's a great sign.

2. I actually liked the offensive playcalling. Good mix of run and pass. 

3. Flacco needs to get the ball out quicker. Trestman needs to dial up more quick passes. Watch some Patriots film or something.

4. Defense looks quick and hungry. I like it. Pees needs to be consistent with dialing up pressure. Never take your foot off the pedal.

5. Offensive is struggling to get the ball in the endzone. Hopefully redzone offense is a topic this week in practice.

Great post!

1- absolutely!

2- 60-40 pass vs run. Can't complain really but 4 runs for 40 yards and 20 runs for the other 40. We need to get better!

3- Yes! Trestman needs compliment every slow developing play with a hot route. It's not rocket science! Idk why he keeps falling for the same traps???

4- Finally Pees gets his behind off conservative lane and I sure hope it lasts.

5- I sure hope so

[HoldingCall]

14 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

There was also a sack in the 4th quarter if i recall correctly that could be placed on Yanda. I think Wagner passed him off, and either Yanda was late getting there and couldnt latch on, or Wagner passed him too quick. Probably could go either way, but regardless thats something im used to seeing Yanda handle.

But, im gonna chalk it up to 1st game, lots of new pieces with Zuttah coming back and the 2 rookies playing for the first time. Maybe Yanda had some of his attention on making sure the rookies were getting the calls correctly and taking care of their business and it caused him to lapse a bit with his own focus.

Either way, not concerned. It wasnt like he played terrible. He was still pretty darn good; just expectation sets his grading scale much higher and 3-4 mistakes is something we're not used to seeing from Yanda over a whole season let alone in one game.

After watching the Jet and Bills game, one should be concerned for Joe's protection. The Bills got very little pressure on the Jets QB but had at least four sacks against the Ravens. It may mean something or maybe not, but it's worth a concern. If the OL is weak this year, the offense will sputter. 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, HoldingCall said:

After watching the Jet and Bills game, one should be concerned for Joe's protection. The Bills got very little pressure on the Jets QB but had at least four sacks against the Ravens. It may mean something or maybe not, but it's worth a concern. If the OL is weak this year, the offense will sputter. 

 

I saw a lot of pressure from Jerry Hughes and Kyle Williams specifically. They were a 2 man wrecking crew. 

Also there were ridiculous holds not being called all night. I'm talking straight rear naked chokes that would make Georges st. Pierre applaud, Jerry Hughes would've had 2 more sacks and #56 would've had another had they not held so badly. These guys beat the brakes off of their blocker and had a open path to the pocket only to be illegally kept off of the qb.

[berad]

The Bills were also worn out last night, wasn't Hughes on the sidelines puking early in the game?

We had them when they were fresh.

[rmw10]

32 minutes ago, berad said:

The Bills were also worn out last night, wasn't Hughes on the sidelines puking early in the game?

We had them when they were fresh.

That montage of him spitting for like a minute straight?  Pretty sure they said he bit his tongue pretty badly.

[gooftroop]

7 hours ago, Maryland said:

Honestly, if you're going to take anything away from that game, it's how much the Jets tested the Bills' lack of safety help down-field. Our offense could have thrown deep more frequently week 1, but they chose not to. They seemed to be much more conservative the second half. 

Well, I think Joe was simply not going to turn the ball over. Harbaugh alluded to it, given how the game was progressing, and the lack of almost any offensive output from the Bills.

[January J]

If our defense can keep this up all year and our offense can even pick it up a few notches we will become a very dangerous team to face come playoff time. We get this win Sunday and we will be 2-0 with another two winnable games the following weeks. And don't forget we will soon have dixon and doom back who will no doubt provide a spark. If we can stack enough wins the first half of the season (6 or 7) there is no reason why we can't make a run for the division title... And once we get in we will be a team that is feared. By then all the kinks will be worked out and if we stay relatively healthy we can make a deep playoff run. Its premature I know- but obviously within the realm of possibilities and looking a lot better than last year already.

[January J]

15 minutes ago, gooftroop said:

Well, I think Joe was simply not going to turn the ball over. Harbaugh alluded to it, given how the game was progressing, and the lack of almost any offensive output from the Bills.

Yeah he seems to be making much smarter choices. Instead of threading the needle or throwing into tight windows like he normally would he was findin ways to just throw the ball away or just take the sack if he had to. Now i dont want him to get too conservative... And I don't think he will be as the season progresses I see him taking more shots the more comfortable he gets in the pocket and what not. But yeah aside from the one play where him and Steve werent on the same page ( and the zuttah miscue which wasnt on joe) he made smart decisions all night. And that's with him seeing a decent amount of pressure against a Rex Ryan defense on his first game back from a major injury. Obviously I would've liked to see a few more scores- but for the most part I liked what I saw. He called the audible on the touchdown to Wallace and he also threw a dart to pitta on a key drive. The running game also wasn't doing jack so we kind of became one dimensional. Yet and still we found a way to win period. Let's see how they follow up against a weak browns team and if Trestman can dial up some magic.

[berad]

48 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That montage of him spitting for like a minute straight?  Pretty sure they said he bit his tongue pretty badly.

Ah, I see, my mistake then

[ellicottraven]

51 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That montage of him spitting for like a minute straight?  Pretty sure they said he bit his tongue pretty badly.

You're right. They said he was bleeding a lot.

[gooftroop]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Yeah he seems to be making much smarter choices. Instead of threading the needle or throwing into tight windows like he normally would he was findin ways to just throw the ball away or just take the sack if he had to. Now i dont want him to get too conservative... And I don't think he will be as the season progresses I see him taking more shots the more comfortable he gets in the pocket and what not. But yeah aside from the one play where him and Steve werent on the same page ( and the zuttah miscue which wasnt on joe) he made smart decisions all night. And that's with him seeing a decent amount of pressure against a Rex Ryan defense on his first game back from a major injury. Obviously I would've liked to see a few more scores- but for the most part I liked what I saw. He called the audible on the touchdown to Wallace and he also threw a dart to pitta on a key drive. The running game also wasn't doing jack so we kind of became one dimensional. Yet and still we found a way to win period. Let's see how they follow up against a weak browns team and if Trestman can dial up some magic.

Yup.

[The Raven]

On 9/15/2016 at 2:50 AM, Filmstudy said:

*Long post*

I appreciate this explanation and respect the effort you put into your grading system. I much prefer PFF's system.

After watching the game again with sober eyes, I have differing opinions with you. If I had to give grades, Yanda and Stanley would both get B-, Wagner would get a C, Lewis would get a D, and Zuttah would get an F.

There is no way in hell I'm giving Yanda any of the blame on that sack Wagner allowed. That's Wagner's fault for losing so much depth. He didn't stand his ground. I mean, it was a perfectly executed stunt, so I'm not sure there's anything either of them could have done, but I'm certainly not giving blame to the guy that actually stood his ground and held the guy at the line.

As somebody who actually played offensive line (specifically RG, like Yanda) I find it ridiculous (no offense) that your scoring system gives more weight to pass plays than run plays. I comprehend and understand your reasoning, but I disagree with it.