Next up: Ravens at Browns, FirstEnergy Stadium Cleveland

[AsianRice]

Doesn't matter how bad the Browns are; they will always play tough against us.  I expect us to pull out a win, but it ain't easy.......

 

 

[Drew P]

49 minutes ago, terps85 said:

Nassib is an edge player and will probably be on Wagner 90% of the time.  Shelton is the one to worry about with Zuttah.

Anyone is with Zuttah...i'm sure they will be sending the defensive roster through the A gaps

[JoeyFlex5]

Nassib is a very straight lined downhill player, he gets off very well and can give some handfight to shorten the path to the qb, but I don't think he has the stuff to be used effectively in a stunt blitz. 

Danny Shelton though? He never worried me until I saw zuttah last week. He struggled with literally everything, Shelton is stupidly athletic for a man his size, he is far too quick For zuttah.

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, AsianRice said:

Doesn't matter how bad the Browns are; they will always play tough against us.  I expect us to pull out a win, but it ain't easy.......

In the past, I always felt like we needed to bury the Browns to prove ourselves to be a dominant team, but it never seems to happen. Even when we had that nice win streak on them, so many of those wins were by pretty narrow margins. 

All I can say is we have to win, period ... no matter the score. That said, in order to come up with that win, we cannot have anything that even remotely resembles that horrible game from last year where McCown broke some offensive record or another. That ranks up there with one of the Ravens worst performances in their history - and likely their worst ever from a defensive standpoint. 

[sibelius]

Apparently Brownies are weak at the center position. Expect us to take advantage of our interior DL strength and blitz the socks off the A gap. 

[I AM LEGEND]

13 minutes ago, sibelius said:

Apparently Brownies are weak at the center position. Expect us to take advantage of our interior DL strength and blitz the socks off the A gap. 

Interior DL strength? I wouldn't say anything about our DL is a "strength". I think the Jernigan/Williams combo can get a bit overrated at times but IMO I've yet to see them do anything at a consistent basis

 

Not to mention this past game where a good portion of the game Tyrod didn't even have a pocket BC it looked liked he had a steel wall in front of him.

Edited September 13, 2016 by I AM LEGEND

[I AM LEGEND]

And as much as we would've liked to see RG3. I think McCown will provide better preparation for the next two games against bortles and Carr. Ravens already showed they can operated their gameplan against a QB like Tyrod 

[sibelius]

1 hour ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Interior DL strength? I wouldn't say anything about our DL is a "strength". I think the Jernigan/Williams combo can get a bit overrated at times but IMO I've yet to see them do anything at a consistent basis

 

Not to mention this past game where a good portion of the game Tyrod didn't even have a pocket BC it looked liked he had a steel wall in front of him.

Perhaps continue not saying it then?

I also expect to see Breshad involved in a big way in this game. I thought it was cool that he and Wallace make bets on who's going to break one. I'm sure he's going to be trying to get his after losing the bet last weekend. Will be awesome to watch that relationship develop over the season, seems like Wallace has sparked to the young buck.

[BrownsFan]

I'm not even sure what to expect this game in all honesty.

McCown played the Ravens pretty well last year but yeesh - this is a young and potentially bad Browns team.  It's hard to be too rough on them, a lot of them played their first ever NFL game last week.  It's gonna take a bit to get things right.

[Doomville]

It's the offense i am worried about. It was just outright sluggish in the second half, which is a bad trend of the ravens going years back. Honestly, joe should have no excuse this year to be just average with the amount of weapons we have, unless the oline suddenly plays like crap.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Doomville

[Sami84]

5 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

And as much as we would've liked to see RG3. I think McCown will provide better preparation for the next two games against bortles and Carr. Ravens already showed they can operated their gameplan against a QB like Tyrod 

 

bortles and carr scramble really well..

[Tank 92]

Just now, Sami84 said:

bortles and carr scramble really well..

Do they fall well? Because I have a feeling they will need that skill when facing The Good Guys.

 

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, Doomville said:

It's the offense i am worried about. It was just outright sluggish in the second half, which is a bad trend of the ravens going years back. Honestly, joe should have no excuse this year to be just average with the amount of weapons we have, unless the oline suddenly plays like crap.

Funny you should mention that...

[Doomville]

8 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Funny you should mention that...

I understand that the oline wasn't exactly stellar the first game, but it wasn't horrible either. A couple times when flacco got sacked, he had time but took too long or didn't scramble so that's on him. A few plays the oline did get busted up but you can't expect it to be perfect the entire game, i mean look at the bengals game. Andy got sacked 7 times and yet he still won them the game. I will reserve my judgement until after the 4th game when we will have played jags and raiders, two up and coming team

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, Doomville said:

I understand that the oline wasn't exactly stellar the first game, but it wasn't horrible either. A couple times when flacco got sacked, he had time but took too long or didn't scramble so that's on him. A few plays the oline did get busted up but you can't expect it to be perfect the entire game, i mean look at the bengals game. Andy got sacked 7 times and yet he still won them the game. I will reserve my judgement until after the 4th game when we will have played jags and raiders, two up and coming team

The reason there were so many sacks were because of longer plays where the corners blanketed the receivers. But if this continues to be an issue I would be throwing up the red flags. 4 sacks a game is not a good statistic. Flacco got sacked 48 times in 2013 and that was probably even more worse to watch than last year to be honest. 4 sacks a game would put us at 64 sacks in a season and that is an awful statistic. We need to keep our rocket armed qb off the ground but I don't think any teams we face the rest of the season are better than the Bills' secondary.

[Deflated Football]

22 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

The reason there were so many sacks were because of longer plays where the corners blanketed the receivers. But if this continues to be an issue I would be throwing up the red flags. 4 sacks a game is not a good statistic. Flacco got sacked 48 times in 2013 and that was probably even more worse to watch than last year to be honest. 4 sacks a game would put us at 64 sacks in a season and that is an awful statistic. We need to keep our rocket armed qb off the ground but I don't think any teams we face the rest of the season are better than the Bills' secondary.

While I agree with everything you said, I think it's important to note that Flacco could've evaded some of those sacks, but he played it safe and went down without much of a fight. As he continues to become more comfortable with his leg, we should see more scrambling from him as the season continues. 

[sibelius]

3 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

While I agree with everything you said, I think it's important to note that Flacco could've evaded some of those sacks, but he played it safe and went down without much of a fight. As he continues to become more comfortable with his leg, we should see more scrambling from him as the season continues. 

I agree somewhat but I also think that was the game plan. Play it safe and let Rex Ryan do what he does best...beat himself. 

[Doomville]

26 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

The reason there were so many sacks were because of longer plays where the corners blanketed the receivers. But if this continues to be an issue I would be throwing up the red flags. 4 sacks a game is not a good statistic. Flacco got sacked 48 times in 2013 and that was probably even more worse to watch than last year to be honest. 4 sacks a game would put us at 64 sacks in a season and that is an awful statistic. We need to keep our rocket armed qb off the ground but I don't think any teams we face the rest of the season are better than the Bills' secondary.

ofc 4 sacks are bad. But, flacco could have avoided at least 2 of them iirc: 1. by just throwing the ball away because he had held onto the ball for like 4-5 sec already and obviously the defense is going to be on him after that long, 2. he could have scrambled on a play, he had a open lane to do so, but he didn't and got sacked. This is on flacco. I am being cautiously optimistic so far that the 4 sacks happened because new oline needs to jel, first game jitters, and flacco's confidence in his leg isn't 100% yet. Hopefully, this will be fixed quickly

[trevorsteadman]

10 minutes ago, Doomville said:

ofc 4 sacks are bad. But, flacco could have avoided at least 2 of them iirc: 1. by just throwing the ball away because he had held onto the ball for like 4-5 sec already and obviously the defense is going to be on him after that long, 2. he could have scrambled on a play, he had a open lane to do so, but he didn't and got sacked. This is on flacco. I am being cautiously optimistic so far that the 4 sacks happened because new oline needs to jel, first game jitters, and flacco's confidence in his leg isn't 100% yet. Hopefully, this will be fixed quickly

And I agree that is why I said if it continues to be a trend I would start to worry. The reason I think all happened were because he held onto the ball or 4-5 seconds. Just a trend you would like to see switched.

[AppStRavenfan]

27 minutes ago, Doomville said:

ofc 4 sacks are bad. But, flacco could have avoided at least 2 of them iirc: 1. by just throwing the ball away because he had held onto the ball for like 4-5 sec already and obviously the defense is going to be on him after that long, 2. he could have scrambled on a play, he had a open lane to do so, but he didn't and got sacked. This is on flacco. I am being cautiously optimistic so far that the 4 sacks happened because new oline needs to jel, first game jitters, and flacco's confidence in his leg isn't 100% yet. Hopefully, this will be fixed quickly

I actually think you are talking about the same play in those two points. He held on to the ball in the pocket, scrambled out to the right and instead of running down the open lane he kept looking downfield and the rushers got to him.

[AppStRavenfan]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

bortles and carr scramble really well..

As does McCown, in fact they are far more similar scramblers to McCown than RGIII - or what RGIII used to be anyway - neither of them are going to kill you with their speed.

[Maryland]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Nassib is a very straight lined downhill player, he gets off very well and can give some handfight to shorten the path to the qb, but I don't think he has the stuff to be used effectively in a stunt blitz. 

Danny Shelton though? He never worried me until I saw zuttah last week. He struggled with literally everything, Shelton is stupidly athletic for a man his size, he is far too quick For zuttah.

Nassib and Ogbah both played well @ Philly last week though. Nassib has looked good in preseason too. I wouldn't completely dismiss him. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

I like this game. Browns always play us tough. McCown has always played us well, and their HC, Hue, has had some success against us as well. But to show that we're playoff contenders, we need to win this one.

If our defense is for real, McCown won't run wild on us. This game will show us where we're at. 

[berad]

10 hours ago, Doomville said:

ofc 4 sacks are bad. But, flacco could have avoided at least 2 of them iirc: 1. by just throwing the ball away because he had held onto the ball for like 4-5 sec already and obviously the defense is going to be on him after that long, 2. he could have scrambled on a play, he had a open lane to do so, but he didn't and got sacked. This is on flacco. I am being cautiously optimistic so far that the 4 sacks happened because new oline needs to jel, first game jitters, and flacco's confidence in his leg isn't 100% yet. Hopefully, this will be fixed quickly

There were also a lot of sacks he avoided by throwing it at the last second, probably more than the ones he took. Some of those were important plays, receptions that kept drives moving - others ended up harmlessly on the ground. It goes both ways, you don't want him to play like Kirk Cousins.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 hours ago, I AM LEGEND said:

Interior DL strength? I wouldn't say anything about our DL is a "strength". I think the Jernigan/Williams combo can get a bit overrated at times but IMO I've yet to see them do anything at a consistent basis

 

Not to mention this past game where a good portion of the game Tyrod didn't even have a pocket BC it looked liked he had a steel wall in front of him.

I dont think we were watching the same game... Jernigan played very well. Williams and Pierce were beasts together - the Bills literally gave up on even trying to run anything up the middle. Their only chunk plays in the run game were ones that Shady or Tyrod bounced outside bc there was nothing at all up the middle.

And we'll see about the edges now that we're facing more of a pocket passer... but i really dont think the seeming lack of pressure on Tyrod was due to a failure on our part or stout OL play on their part... but more a game plan decision to be disciplined in our rush lanes to contain Tyrod in the pocket. As we saw on their one scoring drive; it was an over-zealous sack attempt by McLellan where he didnt wrap up that lead to Tyrod escaping the pocket and getting a wide open throw down field.

We struggled with QBs running on us in the preseason, and it was often bc we overran the QB and didnt contain the edges. In this game it was FAR more important to contain Tyrod in the pocket than to go all out trying to get pressure/sacks bc it leaves you vulnerable to him. I mean, think about it this way... on the handful of opportunities that we really went after Tyrod we got 2 sacks, i think 2 QB hits, a handful of hurries and 1 QB miss that lead to a big play and score.

If we really go after him, and say double the pressure opportunities... maybe we get 4 sacks and a couple more hits/hurries, but Tyrod likely escapes 1 or 2 more and hits us for big plays, potentially another score, and maybe we're talking about losing that game instead.

1 or 2 more sacks, hits or hurries likely wouldnt have flipped the game on its head (our D was already stout/dominant without hitting home all the time), but its VERY possible that a couple more missed rushes and improv plays by Tyrod leads to another scoring drive.

 

IMO we saw the intended result. Pees picked calculated times to actually send pressure and try to get the QB. The majority of the time however, instead of trying to slash through or around their protection the choice was to contain the edges and slowly shrink the pocket together. Force Tyrod to beat us mentally and by making tough throws instead of using his legs.

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, berad said:

There were also a lot of sacks he avoided by throwing it at the last second, probably more than the ones he took. Some of those were important plays, receptions that kept drives moving - others ended up harmlessly on the ground. It goes both ways, you don't want him to play like Kirk Cousins.

According to madden and overall inept analyst consensus Cousins is the better QB......lol

[Cillmatic]

Perriman, Mosley, Dumervil, Zuttah, Za'Darius Smith, Dixon not on practice field this morning.

 

Hope this isn't serious, after his drop early in the 1Q it looked like Perriman vanished.

[VermontRaven]

23 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Perriman, Mosley, Dumervil, Zuttah, Za'Darius Smith, Dixon not on practice field this morning.

 

Hope this isn't serious, after his drop early in the 1Q it looked like Perriman vanished.

Yeah, Perriman is the one out of the list that worries me.  Didn't expect Dumervil or Dixon to be pracitcing.  ZSmith is not a shock as he wasn't 100% coming into the game.  Not sure about Mosley or Zuttah, but both those guys are veterans and might be given the day off if they are dinged up a bit.  Perriman on the other hand still needs all the reps he can get with Flacco.  Hopefully, it's nothing serious with everything he's been through!

[Deflated Football]

They're probably just playing it safe with BP and limiting his practice because I doubt he's 100% yet. They'll use him according to the situation on Sunday just like they did week one. Sr., Wallace and Aiken will be the starters. 

[ellicottraven]

37 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Perriman, Mosley, Dumervil, Zuttah, Za'Darius Smith, Dixon not on practice field this morning.

 

Hope this isn't serious, after his drop early in the 1Q it looked like Perriman vanished.

Perriman and Mosley are the most concerning. I was wondering about Perriman seeing only 20 snaps on offense as well. But, if he was hurt there was no indication in his locker room interview. He seemed very excited. So, it is just cautionary hopefully. Mosley not being at practice is very concerning as well. He is the defensive QB right now. Without him, the flow of our defense is going to be affected.