[News] Late For Work 9/5: Trying To Make Sense Of Justin Forsett Situation

[whobilly]

  28 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

Tyrod Taylor

They actually did not cut Taylor his contract was up and he signed with the Bills.

[hen826957]

  16 minutes ago, sami said:

  33 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

Tyrod Taylor

They actually did not cut Taylor his contract was up and he signed with the Bills.

Oh yeah your right it did. LOL So TheConquerorWorm is still right.

[stixfix69]

Is it Sunday yet????

[Moderator 3]

33 minutes ago, Orange_Peanut said:

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

If you're going to post "news", always cite your source.  Otherwise you're just starting a rumor.

[hen826957]

Is it Sunday yet????

Nope got 6 days to go LOL. ?

[RRRRRavens]

All this fretting by fans as the beginning of the season draws near reminds me of a father-to-be waiting for his wife to give birth to their first child.

[MTRavensFan]

41 minutes ago, Orange_Peanut said:

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

Plan all along.  .;-) 

[Moderator 3]

Still awaiting official confirmation, especially since I just saw this:

	Justin Forsett (@JForsett)
9/5/16, 11:54 AM When I make a move I'll let you know #StayTuned

 

[hen826957]

  43 minutes ago, Orange_Peanut said:

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

Plan all along.  .;-) 

LOL. It's pretty funny to think about it. We were all arguing about what's wrong with Ozzie and the organization about the cut of Forsett and a couple days later he fooled all of us. Ozzie knows what he's doing and it was a good plan. ?

[stixfix69]

  14 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

Is it Sunday yet????

Nope got 6 days to go LOL. ?

Was another long off-season, so ready to get this thang started...:)

[hen826957]

  15 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

  18 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

Is it Sunday yet????

Nope got 6 days to go LOL. ?

Was another long off-season, so ready to get this thang started...:)

Me too.

[budman]

1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

To be fair for those, like myself felt that Butler, and Brooks earned a spot on the team, is pre-season is the only time we can watch players and judge them....Because the starters hardly play, all we can do is judge the players who play, and Butler pretty much caught everything thrown his way, and Brooks was all over the field, both were consistent through pre-season, and camp....Now we all know if need be we can always snatch Butler off the the Bucs PS if need be, so thats always a good option to have....Brooks i have a feeling will get a shot with the Eagles, and that move i think we might regret, as he could play Safety, CB, ST.....Harbs always preached a more a player can do the better, and Brooks couldn't do much more, than be able to play all those positions....JMO....

I thought Brooks was a gimmie. He played very well especially tackling. I'm reading it was because of special team play. Who knows, but I didn't see him being cut. I also didn't see Hurst staying.

[Asmodeus1971]

  1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

Tyrod Taylor

As others have said not cut.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Keep Forsett name on his jersey he will be back if he wants a Ring! This is business not personal! THE ANTICIPATION IS ASTOUNDING! LETS GO!

[OUravensfan]

I think Kendrick Lewis is awful, I still can't get over the PI on A. Brown where he hit him a good 2 seconds before the ball came to him, he better step up and make some plays this year my god.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I would feel alot better going into this season with a better LT backup plan. Wish they would have signed Long.

[OUravensfan]

15 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I would feel alot better going into this season with a better LT backup plan. Wish they would have signed Long.

And I'd feel better if we got a legit corner to put alongside Smith, I get it, no legit options in FA without breaking the bank and we addressed OT and LB in the draft. Tevon Young could work out but he's not the tallest

[Ravenous_Ravens]

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

Well apparently you are ignoring the elephant in the room. The Ravens have been slipping the last few seasons now and they use the same old excuses each time around and the fans are just supposed to eat those lines. They have not drafted well for at least the last 4-5 years now (more misses than hits) and the current roster shows this fact easily enough.

Ozzie has become predictable. Seems like they consistently draft too many D line when they express being content with the guys they have. They don't ever address CB/S until later rounds in the draft and then wonder why the secondary is not as strong as it needs to be. Pass rush has been sorely missed and they have not hit on a early draft choice, for too long.

Yes they know or at least say they know what they are doing, as most people that make choices do, but that does not mean it is the right thing to do.

[The Greek]

hope west gets the start over forsett sunday. i want to see what this kid can do

[stixfix69]

hope west gets the start over forsett sunday. i want to see what this kid can do

I would have loved have seen Houston come to us earlier in camp, he really looked good, and i am just a fan of the big back....Miss the Jamal Lewis, and McGhee days....

[balfan23]

With all the rumors stating with a fair amount of certainty that we're going to resign Forsett, it will be interesting to see what his new deal is. I will not be surprised if it turns out to be almost identical to what he was already due. My guess at this point is that it was merely a means to work the roster and deal with the requirement of waiting to IR Davis and Elam.

It is conceivable that we basically inked a new deal with Forsett that was agreed to in advance, so that neither party loses out on $ and that Forsett would be content and would not entertain any other offers from other teams. That way, we wouldn't need to put another player to the PS with the risk of losing them on waivers when we could place Forsett into a mutually agreed upon limbo for a couple days instead. 

I'll be a bit more surprised if this ends up being a cost cutting measure ... if it were, I don't think we'd be saving enough $ to risk losing Forsett, when I don't think we ever really wanted to part ways. 

[balfan23]

34 minutes ago, The Greek said:

hope west gets the start over forsett sunday. i want to see what this kid can do

I'm really not sure if there is going to be a true starter. I expect them to alternate series and if one looks substantially better than the other, their touches will increase. So regardless of who we may be calling a stater, I expect that West will still get a chance to show you what he can do. 

[RavensBaltimore]

  4 hours ago, budman said:

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

Well apparently you are ignoring the elephant in the room. The Ravens have been slipping the last few seasons now and they use the same old excuses each time around and the fans are just supposed to eat those lines. They have not drafted well for at least the last 4-5 years now (more misses than hits) and the current roster shows this fact easily enough.

Ozzie has become predictable. Seems like they consistently draft too many D line when they express being content with the guys they have. They don't ever address CB/S until later rounds in the draft and then wonder why the secondary is not as strong as it needs to be. Pass rush has been sorely missed and they have not hit on a early draft choice, for too long.

Yes they know or at least say they know what they are doing, as most people that make choices do, but that does not mean it is the right thing to do.

We are talking about cuts, not the draft, and I think the organization makes right decisions the vast majority of the time. We rarely see us cut a player who becomes a star somewhere else, and the FO has managed the cap situation very well recently. Rice's situation and Pitta's injury really handicapped us the last couple years, but we were able to obtain our key players besides Ngata last year, and we had Williams to step up in his absence. This year, we actually managed to have a significant salary cap surplus.

As far as the draft, how have they not hit on an early draft choice for too long? Ozzie drafted a pro bowler in 2014. It's too early to judge last year's 1st rnd pick, but I think he's going to be great, and our 2nd rnd pick put up the best numbers for a rookie TE in the history of the franchise, although his playing time was increased because of injury. This year's 1st rnd pick hasn't given up a single sack in the preseason. 2013 was really the only bad draft we've had, and I don't agree the team has been slipping recently. I think we've just had horrible luck with injuries. When I look at our roster, I see more speed and versatility on offense than ever before, the line looks to be improved, we are deep at RB, and we locked up our franchise qb. On defense, we have the personnel to stop the run as always, we have safeties that can cover, we have a shut down corner (if healthy, and he appears to be), we have young and veteran pass rushers, and more overall team speed. We have one of the best, if not the best ST units in the NFL. I'd like to have another CB who can play on the outside, but overall, I love the roster that Ozzie and the FO have constructed, and we still have cap room to spare.

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, ravenscavecreek said:

Golden Rules: (1) No profanity or obscene, violent or threatening language. (2) No personal attacks on anyone, including moderators; Cyberbullying will not be tolerated. (3) Use all CAPS sparingly. (4) Do not respond to abusive speech with abusive speech. (5) No selling tickets, merchandise, memorabilia or anything else. No spamming, advertising or campaigning.

I don't see anything in the rules which requires a person to "always cite your source" when posting. Are we now making up new rules on the fly and criticizing people when they don't follow these new rules that no one knows about????

The reply to the post in question merely stated: "If you're going to post "news", always cite your source.  Otherwise you're just starting a rumor." 

Sounds a bit more like a suggestion for best practice than "criticism". Was the uncited claim deleted? No, it was not. That would indicate that it didn't violate a Golden Rule. If you post some "fact", one would presume that you got it from somewhere. Is it that hard to post something about where you heard it????

[RRRRRavens]

In six days the battle between the fans will move to the battles between the teams, thank God!

[ravenscavecreek]

  1 hour ago, ravenscavecreek said:

Golden Rules: (1) No profanity or obscene, violent or threatening language. (2) No personal attacks on anyone, including moderators; Cyberbullying will not be tolerated. (3) Use all CAPS sparingly. (4) Do not respond to abusive speech with abusive speech. (5) No selling tickets, merchandise, memorabilia or anything else. No spamming, advertising or campaigning.

I don't see anything in the rules which requires a person to "always cite your source" when posting. Are we now making up new rules on the fly and criticizing people when they don't follow these new rules that no one knows about????

The reply to your post merely stated: "If you're going to post "news", always cite your source.  Otherwise you're just starting a rumor." 

Sounds a bit more like a suggestion for best practice than "criticism". Was your uncited claim deleted? No, it was not. That would indicate that it didn't violate a Golden Rule. If you post some "fact", one would presume that you got it from somewhere. Is it that hard to post something about where you heard it????

Doesn't sound like a suggestion to me. The "rumor" the moderator was complaining about, that Forsett would be re-signing, was all over the internet this morning. Would you want the person posting the "rumor" to cite hundreds of sources. No, i didn't think so. Nuff said.

[balfan23]

6 minutes ago, ravenscavecreek said:

Doesn't sound like a suggestion to me. The "rumor" the moderator was complaining about, that Forsett would be re-signing, was all over the internet this morning. Would you want the person posting the "rumor" to cite hundreds of sources. No, i didn't think so. Nuff said.

No, one would suffice.

Sorry if your feelings were hurt, but then it wasn't even your post in the first place. Thanks for looking out for everyone. 

[ravenscavecreek]

  6 minutes ago, ravenscavecreek said:

Doesn't sound like a suggestion to me. The "rumor" the moderator was complaining about, that Forsett would be re-signing, was all over the internet this morning. Would you want the person posting the "rumor" to cite hundreds of sources. No, i didn't think so. Nuff said.

No, one would suffice.

Sorry if your feelings were hurt, but then it wasn't even your post in the first place. Thanks for looking out for everyone. 

That's what i do. Checks and balances.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  1 hour ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

  5 hours ago, budman said:

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

Well apparently you are ignoring the elephant in the room. The Ravens have been slipping the last few seasons now and they use the same old excuses each time around and the fans are just supposed to eat those lines. They have not drafted well for at least the last 4-5 years now (more misses than hits) and the current roster shows this fact easily enough.

Ozzie has become predictable. Seems like they consistently draft too many D line when they express being content with the guys they have. They don't ever address CB/S until later rounds in the draft and then wonder why the secondary is not as strong as it needs to be. Pass rush has been sorely missed and they have not hit on a early draft choice, for too long.

Yes they know or at least say they know what they are doing, as most people that make choices do, but that does not mean it is the right thing to do.

We are talking about cuts, not the draft, and I think the organization makes right decisions the vast majority of the time. We rarely see us cut a player who becomes a star somewhere else, and the FO has managed the cap situation very well recently. Rice's situation and Pitta's injury really handicapped us the last couple years, but we were able to obtain our key players besides Ngata last year, and we had Williams to step up in his absence. This year, we actually managed to have a significant salary cap surplus.

As far as the draft, how have they not hit on an early draft choice for too long? Ozzie drafted a pro bowler in 2014. It's too early to judge last year's 1st rnd pick, but I think he's going to be great, and our 2nd rnd pick put up the best numbers for a rookie TE in the history of the franchise, although his playing time was increased because of injury. This year's 1st rnd pick hasn't given up a single sack in the preseason. 2013 was really the only bad draft we've had, and I don't agree the team has been slipping recently. I think we've just had horrible luck with injuries. When I look at our roster, I see more speed and versatility on offense than ever before, the line looks to be improved, we are deep at RB, and we locked up our franchise qb. On defense, we have the personnel to stop the run as always, we have safeties that can cover, we have a shut down corner (if healthy, and he appears to be), we have young and veteran pass rushers, and more overall team speed. We have one of the best, if not the best ST units in the NFL. I'd like to have another CB who can play on the outside, but overall, I love the roster that Ozzie and the FO have constructed, and we still have cap room to spare.

Oh yeah. I like your response.

[ravgo52]

Heeeeeee's Back!!! Justin Forsett that is!