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Devin Hester and Ravens make ‘perfect fit.’ Jeremy Butler and Victor Ochi join Bucs and Jets practice squads, respectively. Why did Baltimore choose Kendrick Lewis over Terrence Brooks? Why James Hurst makes sense. Elvis Dumervil is biggest injury question.

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[budman]

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

[fusuymada]

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

[Ravensfansince03]

Still can't wait for Kennith Dixon to be in the mix. We need a fresh jolt of energy from a young player.

[bioLarzen]

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

Oh, it's the same story each season - only with different names... I remember when fans were falling off the Bobby Rainey bandwagon after he was cut... And safety "Mini Reed" Omar Brown... etc.

A day or two ago, if you just hinted towards the possibility that maybe Keenan Reynold's tape isn't enough to warrant him a roster spot on another team if he gets cut, you were labeled an idiot...

Now everybody thinks Butler's the next Megatron and Ozzie's just let him walk... And maybe it's true - but more than probably not. I myself was sure that Butler would be retained, so I was surprised to see him cut, too. But I also think Ozzie knew perfectly what he was doing.

Fans usually only see a fraction af the things necessary to evaluate a player. Few fans think about Butler's ST contribution, for example. If he made the team, he'd by about #6 on the depth chart - and a #6 player of any position is basically a ST player with no more than a handful of offensive snaps. As a lot of analysts suspect, Harbaugh probably wasn't satisfied with Butler's ST contributions enough...

[riseNConquer81]

Devin Hester is a wasted roster spot.
return TDs are few and far between for him in recent years. Hasnt gotten one on a kick off since 2011, and hes averaging just about 26 yards on kick off returns over the past 4 years which would be great IF a touchback didnt already net you the 25.
and obviously he's not contributing much on offense.
dumb move. and i thought we were over holding a special spot just for a returner. we really need to be.

[budman]

22 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

I agree with you on Hester signing. I said on here 2 weeks ago that it would be a good move and got blasted for it. I recall someone saying there was not even 1 good reason for signing him. We really had no choice unless we just let Webb fair catch every punt. This was a pretty good signing and IMO it will pay off big time.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

[riseNConquer81]

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

fans have been right about Ozzie screwing up before and they inevitably will be again. they're not all uninformed amateurs and he's not perfect.

[stixfix69]

To be fair for those, like myself felt that Butler, and Brooks earned a spot on the team, is pre-season is the only time we can watch players and judge them....Because the starters hardly play, all we can do is judge the players who play, and Butler pretty much caught everything thrown his way, and Brooks was all over the field, both were consistent through pre-season, and camp....Now we all know if need be we can always snatch Butler off the the Bucs PS if need be, so thats always a good option to have....Brooks i have a feeling will get a shot with the Eagles, and that move i think we might regret, as he could play Safety, CB, ST.....Harbs always preached a more a player can do the better, and Brooks couldn't do much more, than be able to play all those positions....JMO....

[budman]

Just now, riseNConquer81 said:

Devin Hester is a wasted roster spot.
return TDs are few and far between for him in recent years. Hasnt gotten one on a kick off since 2011, and hes averaging just about 26 yards on kick off returns over the past 4 years which would be great IF a touchback didnt already net you the 25.
and obviously he's not contributing much on offense.
dumb move. and i thought we were over holding a special spot just for a returner. we really need to be.

It's not about TD's. It is about not muffing the kicks and field position. He is 10 times better than anyone on our roster doing it. Makes perfect sense.

[bigcatfrank1]

The move with Forsett was no that big of a shock to me. Consider the end of last year now coming into this year with West, Allen and Dixon. Justin, while the experienced one, was considerably on the fence at that point.

[Orange_Peanut]

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

[riseNConquer81]

  6 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Devin Hester is a wasted roster spot.
return TDs are few and far between for him in recent years. Hasnt gotten one on a kick off since 2011, and hes averaging just about 26 yards on kick off returns over the past 4 years which would be great IF a touchback didnt already net you the 25.
and obviously he's not contributing much on offense.
dumb move. and i thought we were over holding a special spot just for a returner. we really need to be.

It's not about TD's. It is about not muffing the kicks and field position. He is 10 times better than anyone on our roster doing it. Makes perfect sense.

so you're just gonna ignore the part where he's only gaining one net yard over the default starting spot?

we have plenty of people on the roster who can fair catch...we dont need to give Hester a potential $4M and a roster spot to do that.

[hen826957]

  36 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

You spot on!!!!! ? I agree.

[budman]

Just now, riseNConquer81 said:

so you're just gonna ignore the part where he's only gaining one net yard over the default starting spot?

we have plenty of people on the roster who can fair catch...we dont need to give Hester a potential $4M and a roster spot to do that.

Well that's the point. He won't just "Fair Catch" or fumble like the rest of them. He also can fill in as a receiver as he did in Atlanta. He wasn't that bad at that either.

[JamesA119]

  1 hour ago, budman said:

It gets funny each year when cuts are made or any other big decisions by the front office are made. All full of shock, Doom & gloom like we know what should be done and to whom it should be done to. It has been proven that our F.O knows what they are doing, so lets just sit back and let them do what they do.

fans have been right about Ozzie screwing up before and they inevitably will be again. they're not all uninformed amateurs and he's not perfect.

Couldn't have said it better.

[hen826957]

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

We did? Yayyyyy!!!!!!

[swagharris31]

Ravens trolled us so hard releasing Forsett haha

[hen826957]

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

Wait l don't see it official yet.

[sami]

  45 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

Tyrod Taylor

[swagharris31]

  11 minutes ago, Orange_Peanut said:

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

Wait l don't see it official yet.

https://twitter.com/JForsett/status/772816735254773760

[riseNConquer81]

  7 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

so you're just gonna ignore the part where he's only gaining one net yard over the default starting spot?

we have plenty of people on the roster who can fair catch...we dont need to give Hester a potential $4M and a roster spot to do that.

Well that's the point. He won't just "Fair Catch" or fumble like the rest of them. He also can fill in as a receiver as he did in Atlanta. He wasn't that bad at that either.

if he's not fair catching, that's a problem. Every ball is not returnable, especially not most punts.

We're loaded at receiver and Hester is terrible as a receiver. The only good plays he's ever made as a receiver were on bubble screens which are basically long hand offs.

He's not getting anywhere near the backfield either, way too deep to throw a 33 year old return man between the tackles.

[sami]

  10 minutes ago, budman said:

  14 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Devin Hester is a wasted roster spot.
return TDs are few and far between for him in recent years. Hasnt gotten one on a kick off since 2011, and hes averaging just about 26 yards on kick off returns over the past 4 years which would be great IF a touchback didnt already net you the 25.
and obviously he's not contributing much on offense.
dumb move. and i thought we were over holding a special spot just for a returner. we really need to be.

It's not about TD's. It is about not muffing the kicks and field position. He is 10 times better than anyone on our roster doing it. Makes perfect sense.

so you're just gonna ignore the part where he's only gaining one net yard over the default starting spot?

we have plenty of people on the roster who can fair catch...we dont need to give Hester a potential $4M and a roster spot to do that.

$4mil does seem a little steep.

[hen826957]

  3 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

  14 minutes ago, Orange_Peanut said:

We re-signed Justin Forsett lol

Wait l don't see it official yet.

https://twitter.com/JForsett/status/772816735254773760

Ok thanks. It was on Justin Forsett Twitter he told he was resigning with the Ravens before the media even knows. LOL.

[hen826957]

  19 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  52 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Hester is a perfect fit if you consider kickoffs are an obsolete part of the game and he will be returning few and far between and mostly be part of a touchback. Also, he didn't have as good a punt return average as the 5 people who collectively returned punts for the Ravens last year. Hester had 34 yds on 8 returns, Camp had 49 yds on 3 attempts. We won't take a chance with Camp because of injuries so we get a guy who has been dealing with injuries. Hester was ranked 52nd in the league in punt returns.

As far as Butler goes, it's a catch-22, you say he didn't make another teams 53 so he must not have been that good, yet the other teams wonder after his performance why didn't he make the Ravens 53 so they put him on a practice squad to see for themselves. Has nothing to do with the talent that we all obviously saw. We cut him to make room for Hester who will amount to nothing, so much so that I will bet that Butler gets activated to the 53 of the Bucs and has more catches for more yards than Hester does. We were told we don't just put a returner on the roster, he has to be a receiver also. Let's see if Hester can produce as a receiver, we know Butler can.

The Ravens are taking chances, trading comp picks for free agents (which we never do), gambling with our starting running back for Matt Elam (of all people), dropping quality players for old has beens. This doesn't sound like the premier front office who thinks long term. I think some jobs are on the line after a 5 - 11 season and it looks to me like some decisions are being made by people who are running scared, and that's never a good thing.

Butler can produce? oh you mean against 2nd & 3rd stringers in the pre-season....Last year the Ravens WR was decimated - it was any man's chance to shine. Kamar stepped up, Butler did not. He has below average speed and can't get open against quality CB. Fumbles lose games, especially ones on your side of the field during returns. Camp fumbles, Hester does not.

Every year - the same whining - why they cut Bobby Rainey - he's a beast. Why John Simon - he's a beast. Why Bryn - he's a better QB than Flacco. Why Omar Brown - he's baby ed reed. Why Tommy Streeter - he's 6'4" with 4.4. speed........BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Outside of James Harrison, you can't name one player that the Ravens cut that has become a quality starter in the NFL

Tyrod Taylor

LOL. Sami you actually found a player that was a quality starter.

[JimmyBlack]

7 minutes ago, sami said:

Tyrod Taylor

Keenan Reynolds might turn out to be as good as Tyrod Taylor.

[JimmyBlack]

2 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Ok thanks. It was on Justin Forsett Twitter he told he was resigning with the Ravens before the media even knows. LOL.

Justin Forsett is still our number one RB.

[law215]

With Foresett back, I wonder who gets IR'd. Good to have him back.

[hen826957]

  3 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Ok thanks. It was on Justin Forsett Twitter he told he was resigning with the Ravens before the media even knows. LOL.

Justin Forsett is still our number one RB.

Yep l believe. ?