Front Office Discussion

[PurpleCity5]

You might call me insane for thinking this but I want to see how much Alshon Jeffery is worth right now given the season that hes had so far. He's been good but I think the Bears would rather not pay him 14M-15M they were considering to pay him. That's a lot of money considering the production Cameron Meredith and Eddie Royal, not to forget Kevin White who they drafted 7th overall. 

I really wonder how much he's worth. If 12M is what it takes to bring him here than I say do it. Screw the comp pick. Who gives a damn honestly. 

Sadly, cap space doesn't work like that but its something nice to think about.

Edited October 22, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[kjbmore]

I'm sure I read somewhere we had about 10 mil in cap space at some stage this offseason - I was dreaming about Josh Norman.

Guy would take our secondary to another level - definitely plays like a Raven 

Wouldnt bother with Watson or Hester, not sure if we could have still landed Wallace and Weddle- if we could squeeze in Weedle - would be ideal - could hopefully get by with a mix of SSR, Aiken, Pitta, Perriman, Moore, Williams, Gilmore and loaded up on receivers next draft

Norman, Jimmy, Weedle - not sold on Webb - with Young in the slot

loaded up on legit pass rushers in the second and 3rd round and 4th and 5th 

veteran secondary, nice solid front with jernigan, Williams and just let the young bucks loose on the QB

weve tried to squeeze every last drop out of doom n Suggs - do t think there's much juice left 

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 4:15 AM, Tru11 said:

only ravens fans think a player is open when throwing in double coverage.

 

 

 

 

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 8:19 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

It wasn't double coverage.

However, you're ignoring the real point here- why did Torrey Smith stop tracking, stop his feet, and pull up? You are correct that it took about a second, so with literally a second to go, as the ball is coming down, Torrey decides to stop looking for the ball, which will arrive soon, and look for the defender. That's a monumental mistake on his part. As a receiver, he should continue to track the ball all the way through it's motion, especially when it is on the downward motion of its arc. If that's SSS, do you think he continues to route and fights for the ball?

Worst case scenario, it should have been an incomplete pass. Best case scenario, Torrey makes a really great catch by outmuscling the defender. 

In any case, no idea what this has to do with the FO, so I'm gonna stop after this.

that play will haunt me for a long time. when a receiver cant catch the pass he must break it up. torrey lost all awareness on that play. it was as if he never knew how to catch a contested ball.

[January J]

4 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I'm sure I read somewhere we had about 10 mil in cap space at some stage this offseason - I was dreaming about Josh Norman.

Guy would take our secondary to another level - definitely plays like a Raven 

Wouldnt bother with Watson or Hester, not sure if we could have still landed Wallace and Weddle- if we could squeeze in Weedle - would be ideal - could hopefully get by with a mix of SSR, Aiken, Pitta, Perriman, Moore, Williams, Gilmore and loaded up on receivers next draft

Norman, Jimmy, Weedle - not sold on Webb - with Young in the slot

loaded up on legit pass rushers in the second and 3rd round and 4th and 5th 

veteran secondary, nice solid front with jernigan, Williams and just let the young bucks loose on the QB

weve tried to squeeze every last drop out of doom n Suggs - do t think there's much juice left 

Probably not going to be able to retain both Bwill and Jerni but it's possible. Luckily for us Bwill hasn't been lighting the world on fire this year. Although much of what he does doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

[Doc]

I hate to agree on T-Sizzle but I feel he maybe Done, concerned about Elvis as well we might need to look for replacements come draft time.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Doc

[Doc]

love Ozzie but, saying that it might be time for a change, I would keep Coach Harbaugh for 1 more year... What do fans think of Tom Coughlin?

[dtfrink2011]

Front Office did and excellent job rebuilding the team, the problem is the ravens coaches has failed to put the player on the field. Explosive Rookies on the beached.

[kjbmore]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

I hate to agree on T-Sizzle but I feel he maybe Done, concerned about Elvis as well we might need to look for replacements come draft time.

Not sure why we've waited so long should have been stocking that cupboard every year

 

[kjbmore]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

love Ozzie but, saying that it might be time for a change, I would keep Coach Harbaugh for 1 more year... What do fans think of Tom Coughlin?

Given what we've been putting in the field last few years - thinking its time for a change but I'd prefer we change head coach and philosophy ie stop being scared of a little bit of nasty or character concerns when drafting or looking at free agents

stop hoarding and valuing picks so highly

we are the most average team at the moment just like our record - no pro bowlers, no young studs just average across the board  

something has to change regarding the talent the front office is assembling 

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

Given what we've been putting in the field last few years - thinking its time for a change but I'd prefer we change head coach and philosophy ie stop being scared of a little bit of nasty or character concerns when drafting or looking at free agents

stop hoarding and valuing picks so highly

we are the most average team at the moment just like our record - no pro bowlers, no young studs just average across the board  

something has to change regarding the talent the front office is assembling 

There is something to be said here, imo. 

You look at the players we were high on in the past who got sniped in round 1--Dez Bryant, Marcus Peters, Khalil Mack (granted, that was a huge trade-up), Joe Staley--and think: hey, if you've got a good feeling on somebody, don't leave it to chance, since those feelings about good first round players seem to be spot on. If you really believe in someone like Marcus Peters, don't leave anything up to chance, just go out and get him. 

And, on the other hand, look at what you're giving up: likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick--areas where we have struggled mightily in resent history (Arthur Brown, Maxx Williams, Carl Davis, Terrence Brooks, Courtney Upshaw, Jah Reid, Terrance Cody, Sergio Kindle). Since we seem to get poor value from those 2nd and 3rd round picks quite often, maybe just trade up and get who you really want in the first round, since those feelings about first-round prospects seem to be more accurate than feelings about 2nd and 3rd round prospects. 

On the other hand, they could also consider amassing even more picks in the late rounds by trading down, since that's where they seem to find their best value. There's something to be said for getting as many picks as possible: even if you end up cutting some of your rookies because you have too many draft picks, having a lot of picks gives you greater chance of finding a nice late-round gem--basically more darts to throw at your dart board and hopefully get a bulls-eye. An example of this just happened: by trading down twice in the 2nd round and ultimately drafting Correa, we also got picks that led directly to the drafting of Matt Judon and Chris Moore. Even if Correa never pans out, Moore and definitely Judon look like they could be impact players in a few years. By getting more picks, they gave themselves a greater chance of finding talent. 

Edited October 22, 2016 by Maryland

[Dfence4champs2052]

13 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

You might call me insane for thinking this but I want to see how much Alshon Jeffery is worth right now given the season that hes had so far. He's been good but I think the Bears would rather not pay him 14M-15M they were considering to pay him. That's a lot of money considering the production Cameron Meredith and Eddie Royal, not to forget Kevin White who they drafted 7th overall. 

I really wonder how much he's worth. If 12M is what it takes to bring him here than I say do it. Screw the comp pick. Who gives a damn honestly. 

Sadly, cap space doesn't work like that but its something nice to think about.

He is a good WR, but being oft-injured how would that help us? He is always hurt...and with some type of soft tissue injury no less. And no way he would get $12mil. Ravens would never pay that for a WR.

[Rav'n Maniac]

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

Given what we've been putting in the field last few years - thinking its time for a change but I'd prefer we change head coach and philosophy ie stop being scared of a little bit of nasty or character concerns when drafting or looking at free agents

stop hoarding and valuing picks so highly

we are the most average team at the moment just like our record - no pro bowlers, no young studs just average across the board  

something has to change regarding the talent the front office is assembling 

Since our Super Bowl year:

2013 - We lost 8 starters from the 2012 season which is the most in NFL history following a championship season. Previous record was 5. Also had 6 on IR and still finished .500 at 8-8

2014 - Finished with 10 - 6 record and made the playoffs. Won the wildcard game against the Steelers. Loss to NE in the next round.

2015 - Decimated by injuries with 15 on IR.

2016 - Again decimated by injuries with 15 presently on IR and sitting 1 game out of 1st place in the division.

How is that putting an inferior product on the field the last few years requiring a head coaching change? Harbs has only had 1 losing season since 2008 with 6 out of 8 in the playoffs and 1 Super Bowl. There are cities that would trade their souls for a record like that. Don't be ridiculous friend.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[kjbmore]

3 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Since our Super Bowl year:

2013 - We lost 8 starters from the 2012 season which is the most in NFL history following a championship season. Previous record was 5. Also had 6 on IR and still finished .500 at 8-8

2014 - Finished with 10 - 6 record and made the playoffs. Won the wildcard game against the Steelers. Loss to NE in the next round.

2015 - Decimated by injuries with 15 on IR.

2016 - Again decimated by injuries with 15 presently on IR and sitting 1 game out of 1st place in the division.

How is that putting an inferior product on the field the last few years requiring a head coaching change? Harbs has only had 1 losing season since 2008 with 6 out of 8 in the playoffs and 1 Super Bowl. There are cities that would trade their souls for a record like that. Don't be ridiculous friend.

Since the Super Bowl 2014 is the outlier.

 Harbs was pretty lucky with talent assembled when he arrived - Ray, Ed, Ngata, Suggs, lot of talent - like to think we could achieve something special with all that talent and we did.

Other than 2014, we're a losing side - I honestly give Kubiak the credit for that season - our offense looked pretty awful to start last season when we went 2 - 6, we lost a couple players - torrey and Daniels but surely part of your job as hc is to make sure you've got the pieces you need to be successful - complete failure on a few levels we started a season with no legit deep threats - prob why we go 2 - 6

As for being decimated by injuries, that's due to the fact we're relying on 30+ guys to be our bread n butter n surprise surprise they're breaking down.

why are we still relying on guys who should be winding down and backing up our younger players

because since Harbs has come thru - we're not turning up or coaching up enough talent to replenish our team

we can't keep using the injury excuse - were injured because we're ancient

anyway see we are at the end of the season, the kids and the talent we have assembled under Harbs is about to get a run 

hopefully we're moving in the right direction and 2014 and the SB year aren't set to be distant memories 

[kjbmore]

4 hours ago, Maryland said:

There is something to be said here, imo. 

You look at the players we were high on in the past who got sniped in round 1--Dez Bryant, Marcus Peters, Khalil Mack (granted, that was a huge trade-up), Joe Staley--and think: hey, if you've got a good feeling on somebody, don't leave it to chance, since those feelings about good first round players seem to be spot on. If you really believe in someone like Marcus Peters, don't leave anything up to chance, just go out and get him. 

And, on the other hand, look at what you're giving up: likely a 2nd or 3rd round pick--areas where we have struggled mightily in resent history (Arthur Brown, Maxx Williams, Carl Davis, Terrence Brooks, Courtney Upshaw, Jah Reid, Terrance Cody, Sergio Kindle). Since we seem to get poor value from those 2nd and 3rd round picks quite often, maybe just trade up and get who you really want in the first round, since those feelings about first-round prospects seem to be more accurate than feelings about 2nd and 3rd round prospects. 

On the other hand, they could also consider amassing even more picks in the late rounds by trading down, since that's where they seem to find their best value. There's something to be said for getting as many picks as possible: even if you end up cutting some of your rookies because you have too many draft picks, having a lot of picks gives you greater chance of finding a nice late-round gem--basically more darts to throw at your dart board and hopefully get a bulls-eye. An example of this just happened: by trading down twice in the 2nd round and ultimately drafting Correa, we also got picks that led directly to the drafting of Matt Judon and Chris Moore. Even if Correa never pans out, Moore and definitely Judon look like they could be impact players in a few years. By getting more picks, they gave themselves a greater chance of finding talent. 

Late round gems are nice but we're seriously looking at what 1 in 5 being meaningful contributors. 

They need to be complimentary not core.

What are we looking at to move up from our position close to the top of the 2nd round to back into the first - we were receiving fourth round picks to move back. I'm looking at draft value chart and I think u could do it by packaging 4th n 5th or something close

if all it takes is packaging up my 4 - 7th round picks to move up and get who I want - make it happen

if I have to throw in my 3rd I think about it a bit more but let's start doing it - we need elite talent, we need pro bowlers, difference makers 

it's generally found in rounds 1 and 2

yeah we like having more picks but we're just getting more average, time to start turning quantity into quality 

ozzie good and picking up scraps and late round players but again they need to be complimentary not core - looking at you shareece wright

agree a bit in regards to judon n Moore we'll see what type of careers they have but I thought right now we needed young stud pass rushers and corners and they were there for the taking 

we could have had Kevin Dodd out there paired up with Suggs, ZDS, kept somebody like Ochi around -  could have just put Doom on IR come back fresh second half of the season 

we possibly still could have picked up judon

well see what we got with our 2 for 1 when KC n Judon get playing time

im against constantly using picks on RBs too, we're starting a guy we picked up off the scrap heap, prior to that Forsett 

just go all out n get a stud or just use those 4th rounders to move up or draft some corners or pass rushers - we can pick up a RB every day of the week 

Edited October 23, 2016 by kjbmore

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

13 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I'm sure I read somewhere we had about 10 mil in cap space at some stage this offseason - I was dreaming about Josh Norman.

Guy would take our secondary to another level - definitely plays like a Raven 

Wouldnt bother with Watson or Hester, not sure if we could have still landed Wallace and Weddle- if we could squeeze in Weedle - would be ideal - could hopefully get by with a mix of SSR, Aiken, Pitta, Perriman, Moore, Williams, Gilmore and loaded up on receivers next draft

Norman, Jimmy, Weedle - not sold on Webb - with Young in the slot

loaded up on legit pass rushers in the second and 3rd round and 4th and 5th 

veteran secondary, nice solid front with jernigan, Williams and just let the young bucks loose on the QB

weve tried to squeeze every last drop out of doom n Suggs - do t think there's much juice left 

That 10 Mil in cap space should have brought back K.O. worth every penny. He knew our system, could have helped Stanley, and given Joe more time in the pocket

 Sadly, we didnt even make him a competitive offer, or even try a hometown discount offer. 

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

We have done some dumb things. Terrence Brooks should have been kept. Does anybody know why we got rid of him? I thought he was decent

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We have done some dumb things. Terrence Brooks should have been kept. Does anybody know why we got rid of him? I thought he was decent

He hasn't done anything in PHI. 

[ravens rule]

Really wish we could've kept Ko but you can't invest that much money on guards. The other guy I would of kept is Mcphee who should be here. No reason you let a pass rusher in his prime leave. Thank you Webb and Pitta for stealing money. Pitta not so much because he had incredibly bad luck. As for Webb he hasn't done squat since 2012. Any idea when can we cut this clown ?

[kjbmore]

10 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We have done some dumb things. Terrence Brooks should have been kept. Does anybody know why we got rid of him? I thought he was decent

The Watson signing looks really stupid, how many teams give money to 35 year old guys - more money we could have saved

[ravens rule]

24 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We have done some dumb things. Terrence Brooks should have been kept. Does anybody know why we got rid of him? I thought he was decent

They gave a bs excuse saying that he wasn't mentally ready. 

[Maryland]

3 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Late round gems are nice but we're seriously looking at what 1 in 5 being meaningful contributors. 

They need to be complimentary not core.

What are we looking at to move up from our position close to the top of the 2nd round to back into the first - we were receiving fourth round picks to move back. I'm looking at draft value chart and I think u could do it by packaging 4th n 5th or something close

if all it takes is packaging up my 4 - 7th round picks to move up and get who I want - make it happen

if I have to throw in my 3rd I think about it a bit more but let's start doing it - we need elite talent, we need pro bowlers, difference makers 

it's generally found in rounds 1 and 2

yeah we like having more picks but we're just getting more average, time to start turning quantity into quality 

ozzie good and picking up scraps and late round players but again they need to be complimentary not core - looking at you shareece wright

agree a bit in regards to judon n Moore we'll see what type of careers they have but I thought right now we needed young stud pass rushers and corners and they were there for the taking 

we could have had Kevin Dodd out there paired up with Suggs, ZDS, kept somebody like Ochi around -  could have just put Doom on IR come back fresh second half of the season 

we possibly still could have picked up judon

well see what we got with our 2 for 1 when KC n Judon get playing time

im against constantly using picks on RBs too, we're starting a guy we picked up off the scrap heap, prior to that Forsett 

just go all out n get a stud or just use those 4th rounders to move up or draft some corners or pass rushers - we can pick up a RB every day of the week 

You can't trade up too high or too frequently because it'll kill your depth and overall roster strength--see the Falcons after the Julio Jones trade. However, if there is a future perennial pro-bowl talent just a few picks above where they're at and they think they won't get them by staying still, then just give up a mid-round pick and go get him. That's what they did with Ngata. 

Edited October 23, 2016 by Maryland

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We have done some dumb things. Terrence Brooks should have been kept. Does anybody know why we got rid of him? I thought he was decent

terrence brooks was not decent. what were you seeing?

[kjbmore]

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

You can't trade up too high or too frequently because it'll kill your depth and overall roster strength--see the Falcons after the Julio Jones trade. However, if there is a future perennial pro-bowl talent just a few picks above where they're at and they think they won't get them by staying still, then just give up a mid-round pick and go get him. That's what they did with Ngata. 

Given our draft position this year we had a great chance to load up on high end talent, wouldn't have taken much to get back into the first - we added a lot of players - time will tell

john might not be around to see our picks fulfill their potential though

Edited October 23, 2016 by kjbmore

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, Dfence4champs2052 said:

He is a good WR, but being oft-injured how would that help us? He is always hurt...and with some type of soft tissue injury no less. And no way he would get $12mil. Ravens would never pay that for a WR.

I wouldn't say we would never pay 12M for a WR if we drafted him and developed him to be a stud. No way. His injuries were really big last season when he missed 8 games but outside of that he always plays through his injuries and produces. 

Again, I seriously doubt he would come here but I feel that him and Joe would take the passing offense to a whole new level, especially with the deep threats we have. If we added more punch to the OL with a guy like Quentin Nelson and Pat Elfien, than I personally do not see any one stopping this offense what so ever. Just won't happen. We could certainly afford Jeffery with some cuts that I do expect us to make, but I just think investments will be made elsewhere where its needed most like OLB and CB, watch out for WR, could be an big need if Perriman doesn't produce. Not being critical of the guy just saying that you can't rely on him if he doesn't play up to first round expectations. 

Edited October 23, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

6 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We have done some dumb things. Terrence Brooks should have been kept. Does anybody know why we got rid of him? I thought he was decent

Why did we get rid of him? Because he was all promise and no production. I honestly think this team needs to cut ties with guys who aren't getting it done. Brooks was one of those guys, plenty of potential but never put it together. I was a Brooks fan prior to the draft and wanted him here and was totally stoked when we got him but in reality, I think he didn't get it done. 

[MTRavensFan]

8 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

That 10 Mil in cap space should have brought back K.O. worth every penny. He knew our system, could have helped Stanley, and given Joe more time in the pocket

 Sadly, we didnt even make him a competitive offer, or even try a hometown discount offer. 

Where do people come up with this stuff?

 We made KO a highly competitive offer, offered to make him the highest paid guard in football, in fact. Yeah, $10 mil should have been enough to keep him, but the Raiders paid him $12 mil/yr, and NOBODY saw that coming.

[kjbmore]

I still just feel if we had of upgraded shareece, and really stacked the pass rush in the draft, at the expense of - Watson, Wallace and KC - think we'd be sitting pretty as opposed to going into rd 7 facing a must win game with a patchwork defense 

[Worthy]

I find it amazing that people want to talk about replacing Harbs and Ozzie!  Seriously -- look at the other head coaches in the league?  How many are going to be BETTER than Harbs?  Belichick is probably the only head coach that may be going to the Hall of Fame in the league right now.   Pete Carroll may be the only other coach that I'd replace with Harbs, and his career record is actually worse than Harbs!  

This may be enlightening to read -- to get an idea of how badly Head Coaches are lacking in the league!

Hall of Fame-caliber coaches are at an all-time low

So please, if you say to replace Harbs in this thread -- then post who'd you replace him with!

When it's all said and done, Harbs will be walking into the Hall of Fame with a .600 winning percentage during the regular season and a better winning percentage in the playoffs!

God bless,

Worthy

[chunkywill25]

we definitely lack talent thats for sure. mosley was looking like a beast and possibly the next true raven until he got hurt, but he was the only one showing that potential. we need to stop hoarding picks and start being aggressive in the draft/ free agency. we have almost no young superstars. seems like we keep drafting depth

[kjbmore]

2 hours ago, Worthy said:

I find it amazing that people want to talk about replacing Harbs and Ozzie!  Seriously -- look at the other head coaches in the league?  How many are going to be BETTER than Harbs?  Belichick is probably the only head coach that may be going to the Hall of Fame in the league right now.   Pete Carroll may be the only other coach that I'd replace with Harbs, and his career record is actually worse than Harbs!  

This may be enlightening to read -- to get an idea of how badly Head Coaches are lacking in the league!

Hall of Fame-caliber coaches are at an all-time low

So please, if you say to replace Harbs in this thread -- then post who'd you replace him with!

When it's all said and done, Harbs will be walking into the Hall of Fame with a .600 winning percentage during the regular season and a better winning percentage in the playoffs!

God bless,

Worthy

 

Hall of Fame not so sure, I think he rode a few Hofers to a SB and since then - not much to show,  if he can generate a team that even gets close to our recent SB winning side then maybe we can be talking Hof.

im just a bit dismayed with the identification and then generation of talent and the current makeup of our team - somethings gotta give

Either guys start stepping up and we start winning or we keep losing and we pick high again - I'm not holding my breath for the winning part

we may actually need a few losing seasons to build a core of Similar caliber to the last Ray & Ed side 

 

Edited October 23, 2016 by kjbmore