[News] Eisenberg: No Sentimentality In Ravens Roster Decisions

[sami]

Some of these cuts were made becuz they are the least likely to be picked up....except for Butler. THAT one puzzles me.

[Barry S]

  2 hours ago, Barry S said:

  4 hours ago, pete261 said:

Why is Campanaro still on this team? he is always hurt

Yeah, he dropped the ball on the kickoff then fumbled it and is injured on top of that!!!! Kaelin Clay fumbled a punt once and was promptly released, that's a double standard there! 

Kaelin Clay wasn't as good of a receiver as Camp is. When did Camp get hurt? I missed that one.

They said he had a strained calf, and what kind of receiver is he, he's only played in 8 games in 2 years.

[hen826957]

"There’s already a rumor circulating about Forsett possibly coming back for less pay." If they cut him just for salary is crazy. How is a 3 year 9 million contract is a lot. He was only making 3 million a year and they want to sign him back for less money. That will be disrespectful in my part for Forsett. Those cuts are SMH.

Edited September 4, 2016 by hen826957

[Steve32]

I hope all the moves are not done. I am really concerned about the safeties. The position seems thin. Webb will no doubt miss at least few games. Brooks clearly out performed Elam so my guess that's an OZ draft pick that will be saved. They need to add a RB and safety at some point.

Brooks did NOT clearly out perform Elam.
They both played well and I would have kept both and cut Lewis. But I am glad we kept Elam. He has turned the corner and will be productive when he gets back.

[Tru11]

7 minutes ago, Steve32 said:

Brooks did NOT clearly out perform Elam.
They both played well and I would have kept both and cut Lewis. But I am glad we kept Elam. He has turned the corner and will be productive when he gets back.

yup.

elam out preformed brooks in their first 2 seasons which is telling in itself and elam certainly seemed to have been improving and coming along.

[OzzieBisciotti]

Forsett got the Torrey Smith treatment from Oz. Personally, I never agreed with Oz paying Forsett 3M a year, or whatever, when he could've saved Torrey- Forsett was a product of Kubiak's offense scheme- he was never that great. Still SMH because we have Camp and Elam on our team- I know Camp is a favorite of Harbs though. At least we finally got rid of Brooks and Brown- goes to show you how we wasted high picks on these guys (Elam should also be gone)- anyhow, we are moving in the right direction with these cuts- instead of waiting 3 years to see if these high picks develop (e.g. Kindle), we're finally cutting them loose. that's moving forward in my eyes.

[Purple Dawg 96]

The Ravens kicked up some dust with these moves but let's wait till it settles and clears and we will see that Lombardi Trophy!

[OzzieBisciotti]

Also, as he did with others, I think Oz is going to try to get Forsett back on the cheap if he can't pick up anyone else that's good. That's what he did with others in the past- Tucker can tell you all about it- lol I have to believe that people in the league think Oz is a penny pincher - that's why i dont understand why he overpays someone like Forsett in the first place

[catgirl54]

I guess we looked too good in the preseason and Ozzie couldn't take it. He needed to stir up some drama! No, seriously, it is upsetting, esp. Forsett and Butler. I don't get it. But I'm not looking at everything he's looking at.

[RavenOs615]

My guess is they plan on signing Devin Hester considering camps on IR and butler was cut. And personally I'm shocked but not mad about forsett being cut is about time we start getting younger. I'm also sure once they sign Hester Elam will go on IR or they'll release one of the 7 corners. I'm also sure D.Brown, A.Brown, Lewis-Moore, Brooks and a few others cut will be back but on the PS.

[hen826957]

4 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Also, as he did with others, I think Oz is going to try to get Forsett back on the cheap if he can't pick up anyone else that's good. That's what he did with others in the past- Tucker can tell you all about it- lol I have to believe that people in the league think Oz is a penny pincher - that's why i dont understand why he overpays someone like Forsett in the first place

I just don't see how 3 year 9 million dollar contract is overpay. He was only making 3 million a year and they want to sign him back for cheaper for a good veteran and leader like Forsett. Imagine sign him back and they want Forsett to a sign only a million dollar contract. How disrespectful would that make Forsett feel?

[Go-Deep]

Arthur Brown and Brooks are finally starting to look like football players. They were quick to finding the ball, and were making sure tackles the last 2 games. Was hoping they would make the team. With the numbers game thought Brooks had a much better chance of staying. His release really surprised me. Elam is also showing the same progress, but Brooks seem quicker to me. Don't know whats up with Mosley. He doesn't play the pass well at all, and appears slow going from sideline to sideline. He's supposed to be the smaller quicker so-called new prototype of the Ilb, but I'm just not seeing it. Brandon Williams has also been rather disappointing. Have not seen the dominance from him that I envisioned he might become, or could it be the guys around him are not taking advantage of what he is doing? Maybe Pierce can become that guy to anchor the defense.

[terpmaniac]

I don't think Forsett is gone. You can read between the lines with some of his tweets, he is coming back. I also feel there are more moves to come. Here's hoping both Camp and Reynolds make our PS. I would hate to lose either of them. Now Butler that one I didnt see coming. Thought he was in.

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, terpmaniac said:

I don't think Forsett is gone. You can read between the lines with some of his tweets, he is coming back. I also feel there are more moves to come. Here's hoping both Camp and Reynolds make our PS. I would hate to lose either of them. Now Butler that one I didnt see coming. Thought he was in.

I agree.

[terpmaniac]

Some of these cuts were made becuz they are the least likely to be picked up....except for Butler. THAT one puzzles me.

Sami you make a good point!

[ravensnj]

12 hours ago, PersianRaven said:

Tell me about it.....

How long did they keep Arthur Brown? Same goes here! They will finally figure this season that he can't run

,cover, and has stone hands. He will be cut next year.

Edited September 4, 2016 by ravensnj

[JacktheRaven]

I don't see Forsett coming back. He will sign with another team.

[CQ1]

Its a brutal business- all around. (remember: without US fans-it would not exist)
If I were he- I would not return

[Ravensfansince03]

After Forsett's breakout season when he replaced Rice, his running style had really gotten weak and overrated. Even this preseason he showed poor footwork and determination. This was a move that was going to happen sooner or later, I'm just glad it happened sooner than later.Weak style running doesn't belong here in Baltimore.

[JamesA119]

  11 hours ago, Barry S said:

  13 hours ago, pete261 said:

Why is Campanaro still on this team? he is always hurt

Yeah, he dropped the ball on the kickoff then fumbled it and is injured on top of that!!!! Kaelin Clay fumbled a punt once and was promptly released, that's a double standard there! 

Kaelin Clay wasn't as good of a receiver as Camp is. When did Camp get hurt? I missed that one.

DaCosta pegged his reputation on Campanaro. He was behind the trade that allowed the Ravens to move up to draft Campanaro in the 2014 draft. He pegged Campanaro the new Edelman or Wes Walker even before Campanro played a down in the NFL. I don't pretend to know the behind-the-scene dynamics, but I think that the Ravens have gotten worse with their ability to draft since DaCosta has gotten more and more say. Pre-draft he tends to come out too brash and braggadocious which is unlike Ozzie. In my opinion the reason they are keeping him as GM #2 is not because he is really good, but to protect their trade secrets.

[Ravensfansince03]

I don't see Forsett coming back. He will sign with another team.

Then that team will realize the same thing. Don;t mean to sound harsh but Forsett is a true #2 Back. And we were paying him too much money to drop back to a 2nd stringer. So this move had to be done.

Now if whatever team that picks him up uses him as a 2nd stringer then they should get good production from Forsett.

[Ravensfansince03]

I guess we looked too good in the preseason and Ozzie couldn't take it. He needed to stir up some drama! No, seriously, it is upsetting, esp. Forsett and Butler. I don't get it. But I'm not looking at everything he's looking at.

You don't get it? Do you remember Jamal Lewis, Willis Mcgahee, or Ray Rice.

Or have you seen the elite RB's of today. And what they bring to the table. Thats the style that Ozzie wants to bring back to Baltimore. Thats the style that we need. We couldn't afford to keep moving with Forsett. His run style is too weak.

This was a very courageous move made by our staff. And it shows that they are intelligent, and two steps ahead of people that are not hip.

[Ravensfansince03]

LOVE MY RAVENS!!!!

[Ravensfansince03]

I want to meet the guy that predicted the 53 man roster. Because he might be related to Houdini.

[fusuymada]

According to ESPN the Ravens signed Hester to a one year deal. I think they had to do it and since there was no salary info released it had to be low enough the Ravens aren't concerned about having to guarantee it for the year, or he signed an injury waiver, one of the two.

Once Dixon and Taliaferro get better there really is no need for Forsett so unless they figure both will be out for quite awhile, I don't see them signing him back.

I think the message was sent that after a 5-11 season, no excuses will be accepted. Ozzie has done some things that seem more the acts of a desperate man than those of a calculating GM. He never gives up his comp picks but he went on a free agent shopping spree this year. He has more cornerbacks than they have ever kept and that is the knee jerk reaction to having to start corners from other teams practice squads last year. The Ravens are really strong in the skill positions so Ozzie thinned them out to keep a bunch of pass rushers because last year there was no rush. It seems the word came down that there will be quality skill players, we will have a pass rush and we will have enough corners. Well, we have those things but do we have the mix that will work.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  10 hours ago, sami said:

  11 hours ago, Barry S said:

  14 hours ago, pete261 said:

Why is Campanaro still on this team? he is always hurt

Yeah, he dropped the ball on the kickoff then fumbled it and is injured on top of that!!!! Kaelin Clay fumbled a punt once and was promptly released, that's a double standard there! 

Kaelin Clay wasn't as good of a receiver as Camp is. When did Camp get hurt? I missed that one.

DaCosta pegged his reputation on Campanaro. He was behind the trade that allowed the Ravens to move up to draft Campanaro in the 2014 draft. He pegged Campanaro the new Edelman or Wes Walker even before Campanro played a down in the NFL. I don't pretend to know the behind-the-scene dynamics, but I think that the Ravens have gotten worse with their ability to draft since DaCosta has gotten more and more say. Pre-draft he tends to come out too brash and braggadocious which is unlike Ozzie. In my opinion the reason they are keeping him as GM #2 is not because he is really good, but to protect their trade secrets.

To be fair Campanaro is pretty good. His problem is he cannot stay healthy.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

According to ESPN the Ravens signed Hester to a one year deal. I think they had to do it and since there was no salary info released it had to be low enough the Ravens aren't concerned about having to guarantee it for the year, or he signed an injury waiver, one of the two.

Once Dixon and Taliaferro get better there really is no need for Forsett so unless they figure both will be out for quite awhile, I don't see them signing him back.

I think the message was sent that after a 5-11 season, no excuses will be accepted. Ozzie has done some things that seem more the acts of a desperate man than those of a calculating GM. He never gives up his comp picks but he went on a free agent shopping spree this year. He has more cornerbacks than they have ever kept and that is the knee jerk reaction to having to start corners from other teams practice squads last year. The Ravens are really strong in the skill positions so Ozzie thinned them out to keep a bunch of pass rushers because last year there was no rush. It seems the word came down that there will be quality skill players, we will have a pass rush and we will have enough corners. Well, we have those things but do we have the mix that will work.

Saying as they wanted pass rush and whiffed in their second and third round picks, this has to be one of the worst draft classes in recent years. They did find some great players, but for the number of picks they had, they missed out, especially in the earlier rounds.

Still cannot believe they cut Forsett over Allen. Allen had a good year last year, but is best catching the ball, while his ground game seems stuck in first gear. IMHO Forsett should have stayed an let Allen go.

Why put Campanaro on IR when he did not do anything to think he can be on the field consistently or a secure PR?

Okay brought in Hester, and apparently sign him. Why? If they think he is the best option to fill that roster spot and not be a valued contributor as a WR or other, they are crazy.

Also Elam, while playing better, had yet to show that same consistency against first stringers. While Brooks IMHO looked sharper overall with less valleys in his play. Given Elam was a first round pick and Brooks a third round pick, it is crazy they keep Elam on IR when he was basically even in play with Brooks and will not play a significant amount of time this season if at all.

Defense has barely improved over last season. They found a single pass rusher that will still need some time to adjust and added secondary depth. This secondary does not scare opponents though and neither does the pass rush. Still committing stupid penalties of the 15 yard variety. Looks like offense will need to carry them and that looks a bit iffy when the run game has not been strong like in years past for several years now. Add in they cut their most experienced and reliable RB.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  4 hours ago, Steve32 said:

Brooks did NOT clearly out perform Elam.
They both played well and I would have kept both and cut Lewis. But I am glad we kept Elam. He has turned the corner and will be productive when he gets back.

yup.

elam out preformed brooks in their first 2 seasons which is telling in itself and elam certainly seemed to have been improving and coming along.

All good except the part where Elam will play so little this year IF at all and is not signed for next season. Factor in you do not know for certain if he can recover fully from his injury. IHMO unless he is willing to accept peanuts for a contract, he will not be resigned. I would completly draft a new younger player over signing him at this point, four years is too much for a project, which HARBS clearly stateed he wanted no projects anymore.

[hen826957]

This was one of the toughest cuts to have a 53 man roster l've ever seen.

[20306cab]

47 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

According to ESPN the Ravens signed Hester to a one year deal. I think they had to do it and since there was no salary info released it had to be low enough the Ravens aren't concerned about having to guarantee it for the year, or he signed an injury waiver, one of the two.

Once Dixon and Taliaferro get better there really is no need for Forsett so unless they figure both will be out for quite awhile, I don't see them signing him back.

I think the message was sent that after a 5-11 season, no excuses will be accepted. Ozzie has done some things that seem more the acts of a desperate man than those of a calculating GM. He never gives up his comp picks but he went on a free agent shopping spree this year. He has more cornerbacks than they have ever kept and that is the knee jerk reaction to having to start corners from other teams practice squads last year. The Ravens are really strong in the skill positions so Ozzie thinned them out to keep a bunch of pass rushers because last year there was no rush. It seems the word came down that there will be quality skill players, we will have a pass rush and we will have enough corners. Well, we have those things but do we have the mix that will work.

Saying as they wanted pass rush and whiffed in their second and third round picks, this has to be one of the worst draft classes in recent years. They did find some great players, but for the number of picks they had, they missed out, especially in the earlier rounds.

Still cannot believe they cut Forsett over Allen. Allen had a good year last year, but is best catching the ball, while his ground game seems stuck in first gear. IMHO Forsett should have stayed an let Allen go.

Why put Campanaro on IR when he did not do anything to think he can be on the field consistently or a secure PR?

Okay brought in Hester, and apparently sign him. Why? If they think he is the best option to fill that roster spot and not be a valued contributor as a WR or other, they are crazy.

Also Elam, while playing better, had yet to show that same consistency against first stringers. While Brooks IMHO looked sharper overall with less valleys in his play. Given Elam was a first round pick and Brooks a third round pick, it is crazy they keep Elam on IR when he was basically even in play with Brooks and will not play a significant amount of time this season if at all.

Defense has barely improved over last season. They found a single pass rusher that will still need some time to adjust and added secondary depth. This secondary does not scare opponents though and neither does the pass rush. Still committing stupid penalties of the 15 yard variety. Looks like offense will need to carry them and that looks a bit iffy when the run game has not been strong like in years past for several years now. Add in they cut their most experienced and reliable RB.

Relax. They've got several days to finalize the roster. I wouldn't get too stressed over moves made by a team that went 5-11 last year. By the way, no GREAT discernable difference between Allen and Forsett, so why shell out an extra $2.5 mil a year?

Edited September 4, 2016 by 20306cab