2016 College Football Season

[allblackraven]

Jonathan Allen's last play at home was on the offense. 

[Willbacker]

Penn St won Big10 East. Aren't Ohio St and Michigan in that league. What the heck?. In this case they should be in the playoffs.

Can anybody beat Bama?

[Steve0x]

12 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Penn St won Big10 East. Aren't Ohio St and Michigan in that league. What the heck?. In this case they should be in the playoffs.

Can anybody beat Bama?

The New England Pats can

[Willbacker]

15 hours ago, Steve0x said:

The New England Pats can

Yeah but can the Browns?

Can 2 Big 10 teams make the playoffs? If Penn St beats Wisconsin next week they should be in over Ohio St imo. How can a non Big 10 champ make it if the champ doesnt especially if they lost that division? What if Colorado beats Washington?

[JO_75]

Paging Chip Kelly.... Oregon now has a Head Coach Opening. Mark Helfrich is out as Head Coach, announces the school.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18168683/mark-helfrich-oregon-ducks-coach

[VermontRaven]

I guess head to head means nothing to the selection committee. They say conference championships and head to head results are big factors in their seeding...yet they say Ohio State is way above Penn State....Even though Penn State won head to head and can win the Big10 if they beat Wisconsin in the Big10 champonship game.

--Why don't they just say we'll put in the 4 most popular teams that generate the most money?

[Passepartout]

Well it seems that the conference championship people are for teams like Ohio State, not Penn State that deserves to be in there.

[VermontRaven]

6 hours ago, Passepartout said:

Well it seems that the conference championship people are for teams like Ohio State, not Penn State that deserves to be in there.

Yeah. They should just go to an 8 team playoff. Power 5 champions get auto bid, the 3 at-larges--committe ranks them 1-8  Then conf. champions are guaranteed in and they can still put in the overrated/overhyped moneymaker teams and who' beat can be decided on the field.

OR.

Power 5 champions auto bid + top Group of 5 auto bid + 2 at-larges.

This would be my preferred system because then EVERYONE has chance at beginning of season--The argument against would be that most likely this team is not "one of best 8 teams". My counterargument would ne that if that was the case, you reward the #1 team because the Group of 5 team would most likely be ranked #8 by committee.  Plus it gives "little guys" a shot at the big guys and a slice of the big money the playoff makes teams!

[52520Andrew]

10 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I guess head to head means nothing to the selection committee. They say conference championships and head to head results are big factors in their seeding...yet they say Ohio State is way above Penn State....Even though Penn State won head to head and can win the Big10 if they beat Wisconsin in the Big10 champonship game.

--Why don't they just say we'll put in the 4 most popular teams that generate the most money?

Well Penn State does have 2 losses as opposed to 1. I think number of losses overrides both those things

[George70]

On 11/30/2016 at 6:57 AM, VermontRaven said:

Yeah. They should just go to an 8 team playoff. Power 5 champions get auto bid, the 3 at-larges--committe ranks them 1-8  Then conf. champions are guaranteed in and they can still put in the overrated/overhyped moneymaker teams and who' beat can be decided on the field.

OR.

Power 5 champions auto bid + top Group of 5 auto bid + 2 at-larges.

This would be my preferred system because then EVERYONE has chance at beginning of season--The argument against would be that most likely this team is not "one of best 8 teams". My counterargument would ne that if that was the case, you reward the #1 team because the Group of 5 team would most likely be ranked #8 by committee.  Plus it gives "little guys" a shot at the big guys and a slice of the big money the playoff makes teams!

I couldn't agree more, VermontRaven - I now think an eight team playoff may work; even a twelve team playoff may just work.

In the case of an eight-team edition, we could incorporate the four major bowls; in regard to a twelve-team, we could give the top four sides a bye, and then let nos. five-twelve duke it out - with the winners advancing to the next round.

[Steve0x]

On November 27, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Willbacker said:

Yeah but can the Browns?

Can 2 Big 10 teams make the playoffs? If Penn St beats Wisconsin next week they should be in over Ohio St imo. How can a non Big 10 champ make it if the champ doesnt especially if they lost that division? What if Colorado beats Washington?

The Browns are a joke.Even an #1 undefeated high school team can beat them

Edited December 2, 2016 by Steve0x

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

The Browns are a joke.Even an #1 undefeated high school team can beat them

I don't think you're joking, so let me tell you a little secret - it would be a massacre, not just easy win for Browns.

[52520Andrew]

Western Michigan wins to continue being undefeated and have made their case for the New Years 6 Bowl. Navy will make their case tomorrow

Washington is likely in the playoffs with their win as they should be. Now we turn to the other conferences to see what happens

[allblackraven]

Alabama leads Gators 16:9 after 1st quarter. Alabama offense has -7 total yards.

Edited December 3, 2016 by allblackraven

[52520Andrew]

Navy goes down ending their hopes at a New Years 6 bowl. Looks like it will be Western Michigan at this point.

Oklahoma wins the Big 12

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Alabama leads Gators 16:9 after 1st quarter. Alabama offense has -7 total yards.

Bama's defense and ST are just on point. 

[allblackraven]

Reuben Foster is the best college player right now. He is phenomenal.

[Willbacker]

Go Penn St. I want some controversy lol. Ill go with Va Tech too. Whynot doubledip.

[BmoreBird22]

On 12/2/2016 at 4:53 PM, allblackraven said:

I don't think you're joking, so let me tell you a little secret - it would be a massacre, not just easy win for Browns.

I don't think people realize that the Browns had 53 guys make it to the NFL. Alabama won't 

[George70]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Go Penn St. I want some controversy lol. Ill go with Va Tech too. Whynot doubledip.

I would love to see the Nittany Lions and the Hokies make the most and win their conference championships.

[allblackraven]

Penn State wins Big 10. What now?

[52520Andrew]

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Penn State wins Big 10. What now?

I don't see the controversy. The only loss Ohio State has is Penn State. Penn State lost to Pitt and pretty convinvingly to Michigan. Clemson and Washington are conference champions with less losses than Penn State. If Penn State only had one loss, I'd take them due to head to head over Ohio State. Honestly though, I'd rank Michigan above Penn state as well though due to their head to head win which was a heck of a lot more convincing than Penn State's win over Ohio State. 

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I don't see the controversy. The only loss Ohio State has is Penn State. Penn State lost to Pitt and pretty convinvingly to Michigan. Clemson and Washington are conference champions with less losses than Penn State. If Penn State only had one loss, I'd take them due to head to head over Ohio State. Honestly though, I'd rank Michigan above Penn state as well though due to their head to head win which was a heck of a lot more convincing than Penn State's win over Ohio State. 

I get all that but head-to-head win AND the conference championship ought to carry more weight than it most likely will.

[52520Andrew]

Just now, allblackraven said:

I get all that but head-to-head win AND the conference championship ought to carry more weight than it most likely will.

It carries weight, just not more weight than a loss. It shouldn't. Penn State is only playing in the conference championship because the BIG 10 only factors in conference record. They don't care that Penn State lost to Pitt. But we know they did and that game should matter and it will matter to the committee.

This isn't a Baylor TCU or Oklahoma Texas scenario. Both of those times, the teams only had 1 loss. 

 

Also can we just mention how well Va Tech played tonight to give themselves a chance at the end against Clemson? I mean the loss hurts but if you told me before the season that they would be that close to winning the Championship, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. I think a lot of people will ding Clemson for "only winning by 7" but I see it as Virginia Tech playing better than people thought. They deserve props for the season

[Willbacker]

8 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

I don't see the controversy. The only loss Ohio State has is Penn State. Penn State lost to Pitt and pretty convinvingly to Michigan. Clemson and Washington are conference champions with less losses than Penn State. If Penn State only had one loss, I'd take them due to head to head over Ohio State. Honestly though, I'd rank Michigan above Penn state as well though due to their head to head win which was a heck of a lot more convincing than Penn State's win over Ohio State. 

The committee could also look at the fact that both Penn St losses happened at the beginning of the year while they beat Ohio St in the middle of the year and have rolled off 9 wins in a row and like Ohio St have a great following. You cant rank Mich ahead cuz if they played that extra game they may have lost. In the end. Ohio St will go in imo but theres gonna be a lot of drama in this which is good cuz at minimum it should be 8 teams with the Big 5 conf winners, the best one in the other conf's and 2 at larges which Ohio St would be a no brainer. I personally think Penn St is better than Wash but can you imagine the sqwaking that would happen if Wash got knocked out lol.

And how bout James Franklin and McSorley. Two fun guys.

[52520Andrew]

3 hours ago, Willbacker said:

The committee could also look at the fact that both Penn St losses happened at the beginning of the year while they beat Ohio St in the middle of the year and have rolled off 9 wins in a row and like Ohio St have a great following. You cant rank Mich ahead cuz if they played that extra game they may have lost. In the end. Ohio St will go in imo but theres gonna be a lot of drama in this which is good cuz at minimum it should be 8 teams with the Big 5 conf winners, the best one in the other conf's and 2 at larges which Ohio St would be a no brainer. I personally think Penn St is better than Wash but can you imagine the sqwaking that would happen if Wash got knocked out lol.

And how bout James Franklin and McSorley. Two fun guys.

But Michigan beat Penn State in head to head and have the same number of losses. Plus they already beat Wisconsin. If head to head is such a big deal with Ohio State, then surely a more convincing victory should help Michigan. 

If we ignore losses because they are earlier in the season then you take away the impact of nonconference games. Penn State shouldn't get away with an extra loss because they got better at the end. It would be one thing if they had one loss and then got hot, but that extra loss hurts and it should.

Penn State may have a slight edge in conference games which is why they played in the championship but comparing the nonconference schedules favors Ohio State by a lot. They went into Oklahoma(who won the Big 12 by the way) and beat them pretty convincingly there and Penn State has the loss to Pitt. That stuff factors in quite a bit and Ohio State should also be rewarded for scheduling a very tough nonconference opponent. 

I do agree with an 8 team playoff by the way, 5 power 5 champs, 2 wild cards, and one other 5 team would be great. But the whole arguement for Penn State being in is a really close win at home and comparing the teams outside that game is not really close. 

[allblackraven]

Army beats Navy after 15 years.

Never seen so many fumbles in a game.

Edited December 10, 2016 by allblackraven

[Moderator 3]

11 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Army beats Navy after 15 years.

Never seen so many fumbles in a game.

It's COLD out there.  Navy played valiantly, but were just too injured.

[George70]

From what I understand, this past weekend's Army-Navy game was a close one - I can only imagine the number of times each side coughed up the ball due to the weather.

Still, I am rather pleased that the Black Knights of the Hudson came away with the win.

[allblackraven]

Everybody probably knows already - Kiffin took a HC job at Florida Atlantic.

I'm thinking about applying for the open spot. It's true I'm clueless but they don't really need anyone better with that defense.