The final cuts

[BmoreBird22]

13 hours ago, Willbacker said:

How am I gonna have any proof. I'm not one of the coaches. But his pass routes are suspicious.

Maybe you had taken down notes from a game and compared his underneath routes to the vertical routes percentage wise.

[cobrajet]

15 hours ago, izvoodoo said:

Camp has made plays against starting NFL defenses.  Including some impressive touch down grabs.  You just can't plan on him being there, I think it's sort of silly to think he's still trying to prove his talent. 

I agree. I think Campanaro could be a seriously good slot receiver. IMHO he hauls in catches thrown his way (good hands) and is very shifty with decent speed. You can't take one ugly kickoff return and the fact that he was not used or targeted much this preseason and use that to keep him off the 53. The only reason IMHO that you may want to think about keeping him off the 53 is because of his injury history. I hope we do not return many kickoffs this year in general, as I am ok starting at the 25, and I still think Camp is our best punt returner and I have faith in him on kickoffs. I rather have him on the 53 than Hester.

Edited September 3, 2016 by cobrajet

[kjbmore]

8 hours ago, sibelius said:

So you don't think Ed having a deep relationship with Rex Ryan, under whom he made his name, has anything to do with him wanting to start his coaching career in Buffalo?

No doubt it contributed to his choice and I must say I was not following the Ravens as closely at the time.

My personal opinion is you never let him go, talk of conflict between the 2 because he doesn't buy in to Harbaughs system - whose to say Ed was wrong. 

Since our SB victory we are a pretty ordinary side - under .500 I think - so whatever the coaching staff or FO has done isn't working, yes we had injuries but every team has injuries. I'm not happy with what we've achieved since our Super Bowl - I don't think many people could honestly say we've achieved much or have anything to show for it - we've missed the playoffs in 2 of the last 3 seasons and we haven't even really developed any young players - which was the thinking behind the post SB purge I presume - what young guns have come throw in the last few years??

I think that SB was an accumulation of talent acquired prior to Harbs - with obvious complimentary pieces added under his watch

Think Harbaugh n co started to believe their own bs, didn't need senior players to help run the team and help make us better and thought they could coach everything up 

Wheels had to fall off, we go 5-11 - people probably start thinking 3 years removed from a SB and we do this again we might be looking for new jobs - boom in comes the law firm - Weedle, Wallace and Watson - senior players across the board. All guys who seem like they'll play nice too, nobody that's going to speak out of turn.

See how we go this year but I think if we struggle and don't make the playoffs - jobs are on the line  3 out of 4 seasons not making the playoffs isn't going to cut it

 

Edited September 3, 2016 by kjbmore

[rmw10]

It has begun...

 

[Ravenslifer]

45 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

No doubt it contributed to his choice and I must say I was not following the Ravens as closely at the time.

My personal opinion is you never let him go, talk of conflict between the 2 because he doesn't buy in to Harbaughs system - whose to say Ed was wrong. 

Since our SB victory we are a pretty ordinary side - under .500 I think - so whatever the coaching staff or FO has done isn't working, yes we had injuries but every team has injuries. I'm not happy with what we've achieved since our Super Bowl - I don't think many people could honestly say we've achieved much or have anything to show for it - we've missed the playoffs in 2 of the last 3 seasons and we haven't even really developed any young players - which was the thinking behind the post SB purge I presume - what young guns have come throw in the last few years??

I

 

Ed Reed was here for 6 years before Harbaugh, along with Ray Lewis.  We had 3 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons, and only went to the playoffs twice, not winning a single game.  In Harbs' 8 years here, it was only last year that we had a losing season, we've made the playoffs 6 of 8 seasons, made the AFCCG 3 times and won a superbowl.  So now you're telling me Ed Reed and his system/abilities as a coach, where he has ZERO experience, would have been the difference between a winning and losing season last year?  You think it's better to go out and hire a guy with absolutely no experience coaching football at any level, a guy who by the way was known much more for his unique approach to the game rather than his fundamental techniques (which is the job of the coach, to make sure the players understand proper technique and their job on each play) than Leslie Frazier, a man who has had 15 years of coaching experience, mostly on the defensive side of the ball, in college and the NFL, and who is a former NFL DB himself?  What if it has nothing to do with any "conflict", and everything to do with the simple fact that the Ravens defense  has been sputtering the last few seasons, and instead of hiring a guy with zero experience to fix the most problematic area on the defense, the secondary, they opted to go for a guy with a very proven track record?

[ellicottraven]

11 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It has begun...

 

This can only mean Michael Pierce has made it.

Edited September 3, 2016 by ellicottraven

[rmw10]

And another one:

 

[sibelius]

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

No doubt it contributed to his choice and I must say I was not following the Ravens as closely at the time.

My personal opinion is you never let him go, talk of conflict between the 2 because he doesn't buy in to Harbaughs system - whose to say Ed was wrong. 

Since our SB victory we are a pretty ordinary side - under .500 I think - so whatever the coaching staff or FO has done isn't working, yes we had injuries but every team has injuries. I'm not happy with what we've achieved since our Super Bowl - I don't think many people could honestly say we've achieved much or have anything to show for it - we've missed the playoffs in 2 of the last 3 seasons and we haven't even really developed any young players - which was the thinking behind the post SB purge I presume - what young guns have come throw in the last few years??

I think that SB was an accumulation of talent acquired prior to Harbs - with obvious complimentary pieces added under his watch

Think Harbaugh n co started to believe their own bs, didn't need senior players to help run the team and help make us better and thought they could coach everything up 

Wheels had to fall off, we go 5-11 - people probably start thinking 3 years removed from a SB and we do this again we might be looking for new jobs - boom in comes the law firm - Weedle, Wallace and Watson - senior players across the board. All guys who seem like they'll play nice too, nobody that's going to speak out of turn.

See how we go this year but I think if we struggle and don't make the playoffs - jobs are on the line  3 out of 4 seasons not making the playoffs isn't going to cut it

 

 

I dunno man. First, if you weren't following the team, how can you comment on what the team/culture was like pre-Harbaugh? You realize that Harbaugh took at a team that went 5-11 the year before(2007), added a rookie QB, a rookie RB and a couple vets at key positions and went 12-4/to the AFC Championship?

You also realize that very same article about Ed not talking to Harbs ended with Ed admitting to Harbs after the SB that he understands where he was coming from? You don't just win a Super Bowl with an "accumulation of talent." 

Did you see Ed Reed play in Houston and in New York? He was god awful. He wanted to get paid one more time so he used his name to get a check. No shame in that but if you really think the Ravens should be in the business of holding onto guys until they want to leave rather than when their useful life is over, I can't see how you're actually interested in winning.

Ed's relationship with Rex was a "contributing factor?" Rex Ryan is a woeful head coach but he's a defensive genius. Any young defensive coach would want to work for him or Belichick. Is that an indictment of the Ravens and Harbaugh? Not even close, in fact it has nothing to do with this organization at all. 

If anything you're claiming is true, why is Steve Smith on this team? He's exactly the type of player you claim Harbaugh's "character" cannot tolerate.

If you don't like Harbaugh just say it plainly. The rest of these statements are erroneous at best. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by sibelius

[rmw10]

 

[terpmaniac]

I can't see them cutting Camp because of one bad game when he dropped a punt. He has been our best punt receiver all camp and he brings more skills to the table. I think he knows his job is in jeopardy and he needs to play better and he was not on the bubble even before that game. I hope Reynolds stays at least on the PS. I think he has a huge upside along with Waller and Boyle. We cannot let those two go. Waller, Boyle and espescially Dixon are future starters on this team. Keep em!

[ellicottraven]

I'm kind of unsure if Campanaro and Buck Allen will make the 53. In a typical yaer, they would be a shoo in, but this year not so sure. In any case, the only thing that may say their spots may be the myriad injuries that the Ravens are facing right now with Davis, B Williams, Dixon, etc... The team has to account for when they'll all be ready to suit up and therefore make roster that fills their immediate needs going into Buffalo.

Also, Devin Hester will be guaranteed full veteran's salary if he's on the roster prior to week 1. So, he may be somebody brought in to put the fear of God in Campanaro as well as check him out too to sign him after week 1 potentially. I don't know if Hester signs the injury waiver then perhaps it protects the Ravens against injury and therefore he'll be added in prior to game 1.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Don't think we're gonna sign Hester. 

SS, Aiken, Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Camp and Butler should all make it. 

Carl Davis' length of return could have a big impact on the DL cuts. But for now I see Williams, Jernigan, Guy, Pierce, Urban, Henry and Davis. Pierce earns the spot that would've gone to Kaufusi. 

 

Camps not a lock but I don't get the argument that bc he hasn't really contributed in the past there's no point in keeping him. 

Every NFL team literally has about 7 guys who probably will never contribute... Or even dress on game day. 

I mean by that argument they should just trim the rosters further to only what you'll dress on game day. 

Camp prob has more potential to contribute if/when called upon than Chris Matthews, a 9th OL, a 7th or 8th CB, a 5th RB, etc...

As of right now he's our PR. Until that changes he's a virtual lock to make the team. 

[kjbmore]

 

I'm not advocating for Ed Reed to be defensive coordinator - I just think you find a way to get a player  ( one of the greatest players to ever wear a Ravens jersey) with his knowledge and instincts involved in your coaching staff, Eds an Assistant DB coach for Rex, he's not the final voice but I would value his knowledge in one on one interactions and in the film rooms.

if we kept him - would he have been any worse than what we wheeled out in his absence, also would players like Elam and Brooks have benefited from his knowledge - there's more to just what he brings on the field.

2 safeties picked in the top 3 rounds - one probably out the door, we're hoping the other one sticks

not saying having reed there would have made it fantastically work and they'd be pro bowlers by now but what we did for those guys didn't work, maybe it's just them and we whiffed or maybe it was what was around them 

proofs in the pudding for me - whiff on one yeah but 2 - so high, you have to ask questions

i dont have problems with harbaugh but I'm not just going to lap up everything spoon fed to me, I'm happy to look at different aspects and opinions - again I haven't seen the end results last few years so I question the methods don't make 2 out 3 we go 3 out 4??? I look at what may cause that or what I perceive may contribute to it - not saying I'm right,  just throwing out an opinion take it for what it's worth

Still love my team and just want to see them be successful

[chunkywill25]

We need to keep ochi and pierce. Future playmakers

[rmcjacket23]

27 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

 

I'm not advocating for Ed Reed to be defensive coordinator - I just think you find a way to get a player  ( one of the greatest players to ever wear a Ravens jersey) with his knowledge and instincts involved in your coaching staff, Eds an Assistant DB coach for Rex, he's not the final voice but I would value his knowledge in one on one interactions and in the film rooms.

if we kept him - would he have been any worse than what we wheeled out in his absence, also would players like Elam and Brooks have benefited from his knowledge - there's more to just what he brings on the field.

2 safeties picked in the top 3 rounds - one probably out the door, we're hoping the other one sticks

not saying having reed there would have made it fantastically work and they'd be pro bowlers by now but what we did for those guys didn't work, maybe it's just them and we whiffed or maybe it was what was around them 

proofs in the pudding for me - whiff on one yeah but 2 - so high, you have to ask questions

i dont have problems with harbaugh but I'm not just going to lap up everything spoon fed to me, I'm happy to look at different aspects and opinions - again I haven't seen the end results last few years so I question the methods don't make 2 out 3 we go 3 out 4??? I look at what may cause that or what I perceive may contribute to it - not saying I'm right,  just throwing out an opinion take it for what it's worth

Still love my team and just want to see them be successful

Great players frequently don't make good coaches. Too many assumptions here.

[rmw10]

Zrebiec:

"Bubble" guys not practicing are WR Chris Matthews, WR Michael Campanaro, OL Ryan Jensen, OL De'Ondre Wesley, OL Victor Ochi.

[January J]

14 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Zrebiec:

"Bubble" guys not practicing are WR Chris Matthews, WR Michael Campanaro, OL Ryan Jensen, OL De'Ondre Wesley, OL Victor Ochi.

Interesting. All guys I assumed would be cut besides Jensen. Campanaro Is just a toss up for me. 

[bosso_fataka]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

It has begun...

 

Little bit dissapointed, was kind of still hoping he´d be a good player eventually. But yeah, I can´t see who they should´ve cut instead...

[K-Dog]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Zrebiec:

"Bubble" guys not practicing are WR Chris Matthews, WR Michael Campanaro, OL Ryan Jensen, OL De'Ondre Wesley, OL Victor Ochi.

So are they not practicing because  " they are safe and need no further evaluation " or are they not practicing because " don't bother.  They are done. "

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, K-Dog said:

So are they not practicing because  " they are safe and need no further evaluation " or are they not practicing because " don't bother.  They are done. "

Could be any number of things. Injuries could play a part.

Jensen is going to make the team, and Matthews isn't, so there's a mixed bag in there.

[bosso_fataka]

2 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

So are they not practicing because  " they are safe and need no further evaluation " or are they not practicing because " don't bother.  They are done. "

I wonder... If not for Campanaros name I´d say the latter but I certainly believe and hope he makes the team. Maybe it´s just some are resting because of minor injury etc aswell.

[harfordravenfan]

6 minutes ago, bossofataka said:

Little bit dissapointed, was kind of still hoping he´d be a good player eventually. But yeah, I can´t see who they should´ve cut instead...

Agreed, really had high hopes for KLM but never developed

[Mad Puppy]

Just now, bossofataka said:

I wonder... If not for Campanaros name I´d say the latter but I certainly believe and hope he makes the team. Maybe it´s just some are resting because of minor injury etc aswell.

Minor injuries are Campanaro's problem.

Granted there isn't a replacement for Punt returns unless you include Webb in the discussion.

[balfan23]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Could be any number of things. Injuries could play a part.

Jensen is going to make the team, and Matthews isn't, so there's a mixed bag in there.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Zrbiec would have claimed Jensen to be a bubble guy. I mean, he is probably close enough that he can almost touch the bubble, but I don't think he's really on it. 

[chunkywill25]

Toughest cuts I've seen in a while. Unfortunately some starting caliber players aren't going to make it

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure why Zrbiec would have claimed Jensen to be a bubble guy. I mean, he is probably close enough that he can almost touch the bubble, but I don't think he's really on it. 

Probably referencing everybody else on that list, since they are bubble guys.

In theory Jensen doesn't have a secure spot, but I think he's safe. He's one of our better 7-8 Olineman.

[izvoodoo]

20 minutes ago, January J said:

Interesting. All guys I assumed would be cut besides Jensen. Campanaro Is just a toss up for me. 

Jensen also might be banged up.  I don't think he's getting cut.

[ellicottraven]

This is going to be a very surprising 53 man roster. Some players that we think are going to make the team are going to be cut and vice versa. I can't wait for 4PM till we find out the final team. 

Also, Hester won't be signed before game 1. That way he won't have to be guaranteed his salary as a vested veteran. So, for now it wouldn't be prudent to include Hester on the 53 even if he's surely going to be signed.

[baltimorefan328]

44 minutes ago, chunkywill25 said:

Toughest cuts I've seen in a while. Unfortunately some starting caliber players aren't going to make it

Being near Philly and listening to their sports radio (which is some great entertainment by the way) I agree 100% with this statement. A lot of the Philly sports guys were going through the Eagles roster and saying they can't think of any people they're disappointed that got cut. The fact we even have threads like this and that there's this much debate only speaks to the depth the Ravens were able to get this year. 

Edited September 3, 2016 by baltimorefan328

[RavensPunkXVX]

Butler is gone.