The final cuts

[omar586]

how about we trade josh johnson for vikings patterson.

[kjbmore]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

137 yards and 1 TD and a 9 yard rushing TD that everyone lost their mind over,  in two NFL seasons....im sure a lot of players have put up stats like that and never played another down.  I cant tell if you were agreeing with me or not lol. 

 

Also, about cutting Reynolds: I was very very unhappy with that pick, not just because I wanted Jakeem Grant, but it was clear he wasn't a NFL player and its not like we have a great track record of developing offensive weapons.  It just didn't make sense to me.  And it has nothing to do with him being in the Navy. 

Got everything thing to do with him being Navy.

only been following the team this closely for a few years - I was pretty surprised at the amount of coverage given to a 6th round pick, who didn't really have a position. We talked up how he was such a fine young man, navy this and navy that - seemed like most of the articles were on a personal note and about his character. Despite the fact we were trying to reinvent the freaking wheel - if you want a return slot guy, just draft one, it's a lot easier.

We seem so intent on being this morally upstanding, holier than thou, pillar of the community, ever since the Ray Rice incident 

half the reason we brought in a guy like Ben Watson imo, he clearly was another Holy roller.

im scared once Suggs retires we are going to be a team with no swag, or bite, meanness, got have a bit of dog in the team to be successful - particularly on defense - oh I just wrote all this and realised we'll probably have all our upstanding citizens on Offense and then we can let a few dogs in on the defensive side - ball so hard university!!

 

 

[kjbmore]

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

There's no doubt that having a mentor like Steve Smith out there helps and for the defense, it's Suggs, but don't discount coaching and Engram has been good since arriving here.

We better bring both those guys back in some capacity once they retire, the whole letting ed reed go coach somewhere else  is a disgrace - I do question Harbaughs character a bit here

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Got everything thing to do with him being Navy.

only been following the team this closely for a few years - I was pretty surprised at the amount of coverage given to a 6th round pick, who didn't really have a position. We talked up how he was such a fine young man, navy this and navy that - seemed like most of the articles were on a personal note and about his character. Despite the fact we were trying to reinvent the freaking wheel - if you want a return slot guy, just draft one, it's a lot easier.

We seem so intent on being this morally upstanding, holier than thou, pillar of the community, ever since the Ray Rice incident 

half the reason we brought in a guy like Ben Watson imo, he clearly was another Holy roller.

im scared once Suggs retires we are going to be a team with no swag, or bite, meanness, got have a bit of dog in the team to be successful - particularly on defense - oh I just wrote all this and realised we'll probably have all our upstanding citizens on Offense and then we can let a few dogs in on the defensive side - ball so hard university!!

 

 

No, it doesn't.  Look at my screen name, I was making it clear I wasn't hating on the pick because he is Navy, kind of a joke that anyone familiar with the military will understand.  Other than that I basically agree with everything you said. 

Edited September 2, 2016 by usmccharles

[kjbmore]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

No, it doesn't.  Look at my screen name, I was making it clear I wasn't hating on the pick because he is Navy, kind of a joke that anyone familiar with the military will understand.  Other than that I basically agree with everything you said. 

Well I kind of felt like a large reason we took such a gamble on a player, who we would be asking to learn a new position and also practice and learn kick punt returns - as if he doesn't have enough on his plate just becoming s WR, was because he was Navy and we got to plaster it all over our site about how much of a fine citizen bla bla bla, really grew tired of it pretty quick and stopped reading any of it after a few articles - the kids a 6th round pick playing out of position- I said to myself - when or if he makes the team - I'll Bother reading this PR fluff.

Maybe they should write a nice fluff piece on Alrx Lewis and his time spent in jail, we haven't seen too many articles about him even though looks like that kid is actually going to stick and could even start.

Got nothing against Keenan or military just thought it was s bit of a PR play by the team

[edthehead]

40 minutes ago, omar586 said:

how about we trade josh johnson for vikings patterson.

ok, 

make it happen

[allblackraven]

42 minutes ago, omar586 said:

how about we trade josh johnson for vikings patterson.

I don't like it - all our WRs are better than Patterson and I'd hate if KR/PR fills a roster spot and doesn't do much else for this team. I'd hate bringing Hester in for the same reason.

[jazz1988]

21 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

We better bring both those guys back in some capacity once they retire, the whole letting ed reed go coach somewhere else  is a disgrace - I do question Harbaughs character a bit here

I don't think its disgrace at all especially since Reed has the free will to to decide what team to coach for  and honestly it's best he's coaching for another team because fans expectation of the secondary would be too high if he was apart of The Ravens coaching staff. The Ravens have a proven secondary coach as well who also was a ball hawk like Ed Reed during his playing days but his career was cut short due to a neck injury. 

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I went to an ACC school and got to see Pitt every single year. He's coached some of the most dynamic receiver duos in the nation and had the top duo in 2013, in terms of yardage. 

He also was the one who recruited Tyler Boyd .

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

He also was the one who recruited Tyler Boyd .

Boyd was an absolute animal at Pitt. Everyone always worried about James Connor, but I told them to watch out for Boyd.

[BmoreBird22]

15 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't like it - all our WRs are better than Patterson and I'd hate if KR/PR fills a roster spot and doesn't do much else for this team. I'd hate bringing Hester in for the same reason.

At this juncture, that's likely all Camp is. He's sixth on the depth chart, at best.

[kjbmore]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

I don't think its disgrace at all especially since Reed has the free will to to decide what team to coach for  and honestly it's best he's coaching for another team because fans expectation of the secondary would be too high if he was apart of The Ravens coaching staff. The Ravens have a proven secondary coach as well who also was a ball hawk like Ed Reed during his playing days but his career was cut short due to a neck injury. 

Did we speak to him about joining us in some capacity?

my expectations of the secondary would not change but I'd feel pretty confident that we would see improved play from our safeties

knowledge is power, I personally think you don't let instinct and knowledge and talent which ed reed possesses leave your organisation - you harness that and utilise it - who are 2 draft picks we lament their performance and lack of development the last few years - Matt Elam & Terrence Brooks - I believe that having kept Reed around and still drafting those players - they could of developed under his mentorship. 

Instead Elams about to be waived or has been, Brooks is hanging on for dear life. 

Yet low and behold we are hearing articles about how both players have really been coming on strong under Weddle's wing - we missed the boat here.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Moderator 3
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[allblackraven]

27 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

At this juncture, that's likely all Camp is. He's sixth on the depth chart, at best.

Not for me - he doesn't have a spot on my 53.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

We better bring both those guys back in some capacity once they retire, the whole letting ed reed go coach somewhere else  is a disgrace - I do question Harbaughs character a bit here

Yea,  Lets bring in a guy that's never coached before at this level, who is viewed as one of the greatest Ravens ever, many fans favorite player.  Then when he doesn't work out.....we fire him, that's going to go so well.  Why not let him go learn somewhere else, hone his skills, especially with Rex, then maybe...maybe he can come here later.  Some fans need to let go of the icons that suited up here and move on. 

 

50 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Well I kind of felt like a large reason we took such a gamble on a player, who we would be asking to learn a new position and also practice and learn kick punt returns - as if he doesn't have enough on his plate just becoming s WR, was because he was Navy and we got to plaster it all over our site about how much of a fine citizen bla bla bla, really grew tired of it pretty quick and stopped reading any of it after a few articles - the kids a 6th round pick playing out of position- I said to myself - when or if he makes the team - I'll Bother reading this PR fluff.

Maybe they should write a nice fluff piece on Alrx Lewis and his time spent in jail, we haven't seen too many articles about him even though looks like that kid is actually going to stick and could even start.

Got nothing against Keenan or military just thought it was s bit of a PR play by the team

I get what you are saying, but im still not sure if you get why I made the comment. 

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Not for me - he doesn't have a spot on my 53.

I wanted to leave him off all of my roster projections, but it seems the Ravens really like him.

[Davesta]

I'm just scared if we release camp and he ends up on the patriots. I hate the patriots. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Davesta said:

I'm just scared if we release camp and he ends up on the patriots. I hate the patriots. 

I doubt the Patriots have cured all medical issues

[allblackraven]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I wanted to leave him off all of my roster projections, but it seems the Ravens really like him.

Yep, he's a little bit of a favourite but the 3rd year started with minuscule production from him. Add health uncertainty and it's only fair someone else gets a chance.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Yep, he's a little bit of a favourite but the 3rd year started with minuscule production from him. Add health uncertainty and it's only fair someone else gets a chance.

I'm also all for SSS or Webb returning punts. There's nothing to suggest they're more at risk for injury.

[kjbmore]

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea,  Lets bring in a guy that's never coached before at this level, who is viewed as one of the greatest Ravens ever, many fans favorite player.  Then when he doesn't work out.....we fire him, that's going to go so well.  Why not let him go learn somewhere else, hone his skills, especially with Rex, then maybe...maybe he can come here later.  Some fans need to let go of the icons that suited up here and move on. 

 

I get what you are saying, but im still not sure if you get why I made the comment. 

yep im a bit lost on your original comment.

as for reed, come on he's not just a guy - he's possibly one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game - I'm not saying make him the coach of anything and set him up to fail. I'm sorry but I feel you have to bring him in and just make room for him somewhere - he can be some sort of assistant to somebody. 

Say this is a business and the goal of the business is to make money and this guy has made more money than most people in his industry - I want that persons knowledge in my business.

NFL is a business - Ed Reed only had more interceptions than most going around, I need that knowledge in my teaching rooms, on the field, little word here or there (could have been the difference between Elam n Brooks balling out or busting - because they've shown they can play - maybe just needed some guidance, whoever we've got hadn't really provided it, if they're now sighting Weddle's impact) 

he doesn't have to run things - he clearly wanted to move into coaching, I personally would accomodate him and offer him a position within the organisation but I think it's somebody who has a whole heap of swag, with results to back it up - leads me back to questions about Harbaugh

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

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Find me some data to say they're more likely to get injured and then we'll talk, but until then, there's nothing, which is why guys like Patrick Peterson and AB are still doing it.

[allblackraven]

23 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Find me some data to say they're more likely to get injured and then we'll talk, but until then, there's nothing, which is why guys like Patrick Peterson and AB are still doing it.

Returners get injured if B. Trawick is on their ST.

[Cillmatic]

30 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Find me some data to say they're more likely to get injured and then we'll talk, but until then, there's nothing, which is why guys like Patrick Peterson and AB are still doing it.

So you want LARDARIUS WEBB TO RETURN PUNTS ALONG WITH A 37 YEAR OLD STEVE SMITH?

[BmoreBird22]

12 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

So you want LARDARIUS WEBB TO RETURN PUNTS ALONG WITH A 37 YEAR OLD STEVE SMITH?

It wouldn't take a spot and SSS has at least shown to be a pretty decent returner in his day, so yeah, because there's no higher risk for injury to them

[BmoreBird22]

20 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Returners get injured if B. Trawick is on their ST.

I think Oakland just cut him.

[sibelius]

2 hours ago, kjbmore said:

yep im a bit lost on your original comment.

as for reed, come on he's not just a guy - he's possibly one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game - I'm not saying make him the coach of anything and set him up to fail. I'm sorry but I feel you have to bring him in and just make room for him somewhere - he can be some sort of assistant to somebody. 

Say this is a business and the goal of the business is to make money and this guy has made more money than most people in his industry - I want that persons knowledge in my business.

NFL is a business - Ed Reed only had more interceptions than most going around, I need that knowledge in my teaching rooms, on the field, little word here or there (could have been the difference between Elam n Brooks balling out or busting - because they've shown they can play - maybe just needed some guidance, whoever we've got hadn't really provided it, if they're now sighting Weddle's impact) 

he doesn't have to run things - he clearly wanted to move into coaching, I personally would accomodate him and offer him a position within the organisation but I think it's somebody who has a whole heap of swag, with results to back it up - leads me back to questions about Harbaugh

So you don't think Ed having a deep relationship with Rex Ryan, under whom he made his name, has anything to do with him wanting to start his coaching career in Buffalo?

[AppStRavenfan]

2 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

So you want LARDARIUS WEBB TO RETURN PUNTS ALONG WITH A 37 YEAR OLD STEVE SMITH?

Considering we've got our deepest receiving corps in a heck of a long time, if not ever, then why not let Smith return? he was great doing it early in his career in Carolina and he's the type of player that is happy to contribute in as many ways as possible. We want to spread the wealth at WR which allows us plenty of flexibility to have him as a returner. And with Webb we know we've got some return talent there, now he's at safety - another position where we've got options and will have some sort of rotation going on - so he's another guy that now should be more than capable of handling the return duties if we want him to. And considering how much each roster spot is currently worth we really can't afford to take on a pure return specialist, so we're going to have to have someone pulling double duty and these two make sense.

Edited September 3, 2016 by AppStRavenfan

[ERey]

In regards to Ed Reed coaching... There aren't to many examples in the league where great players make great coaches. It' a completely different skill set. Plus, wasn't there an article not to long ago talking about how John Harbaugh and Ed Reed didn't talk for days? Something about Ed Reed not buying into the system? In any event, the Ravens issue has been talent. They lost to many players after the Super Bowl and are just now IMO restocking with deep talent. 2014 was pretty amazing considering they were so close to going back to the Championship Game.

[allblackraven]

Indeed

[Maryland]

I'm thinking they find a way to keep Ochi. They made him a priority as a UDFA, he performed well in training camp and preseason, and they know he's not making the PS. I think they see something in him and find a way to keep him. -That's probably more of a bold-prediction based on wanting to validate what I thought of him pre-draft and not a logical decision based on roster need, however  

I think if you look at some of these players through an objective lens and set-aside draft status, contract status,  training camp hype, and just look at what they've done in preseason, then you can justifiably find reason to cut Campanaro, Buck Allen, Jerraud Powers, and put Carl Davis on IR. 

Campanaro reminds me of the Asa Jackson situation last year: the only reason it's really a question is due to the situation at kick returner. Similar situation with Buck Allen: we only have 2 healthy RBs to start the year, and he was a medium-high draft pick last year. Jerraud Powers has experience, a decent-sized guaranteed contract, and good reviews out of TC despite coming in out of shape to support keeping him on the roster. Carl Davis has draft status and a hot preseason from last year on his side. However, none of these players have been particularly impressive on the field, or quite unimpressive in Allen and Powers' cases. 

I'll be eager to check-in at 4pm tomorrow to see what Oz and Harbs have decided to do, at least initially (before signing someone else's cuts). 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Maryland