The final cuts

[berad]

5 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Thanks. That's what I meant. If the Ravens decide they want him for our 53, he could opt to refuse to stay in TB

 

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Pretty much, yes.  The decision is ultimately up to Butler, but the team definitely gets an opportunity as well.  I'm not sure there's any data to back it up since no one really cares enough, but I'd guess it's a rarity that a guy will choose to leave his current team for another when both are offering a 53 man roster spot.

I had never gotten a really good answer on that. So if the Ravens wanted to bring him up, it's not like a "claim" or a draft pick where you own that player's rights? It's just like a free agent with the stipulation that they are on the roster for at least 3 weeks? Butler could decline and continue making less and being on TBs practice squad if he was so inclined?

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

 

I had never gotten a really good answer on that. So if the Ravens wanted to bring him up, it's not like a "claim" or a draft pick where you own that player's rights? It's just like a free agent with the stipulation that they are on the roster for at least 3 weeks? Butler could decline and continue making less and being on TBs practice squad if he was so inclined?

Once you sign a guy from someone else's PS, he's yours.  You have the rights to the player but it's a guaranteed 3 weeks of being on the roster for that player.  At that point, the team can do what they wish.

Technically, yes, Butler could decline a 53 man roster spot.  I'd imagine the odds of any player doing that are extremely low, but in theory, yes.

[Sami84]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Once you sign a guy from someone else's PS, he's yours.  You have the rights to the player but it's a guaranteed 3 weeks of being on the roster for that player.  At that point, the team can do what they wish.

Technically, yes, Butler could decline a 53 man roster spot.  I'd imagine the odds of any player doing that are extremely low, but in theory, yes.

 

terrence west did that..in our favor.

[berad]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Once you sign a guy from someone else's PS, he's yours.  You have the rights to the player but it's a guaranteed 3 weeks of being on the roster for that player.  At that point, the team can do what they wish.

Technically, yes, Butler could decline a 53 man roster spot.  I'd imagine the odds of any player doing that are extremely low, but in theory, yes.

Okay, that was my question. I've never seen it happen. Closest to that was when Terrance West was a FA (after being cut by the Titans), he had the option to go on KCs roster or the Ravens practice squad but he said he wanted to 'get right' and go to Baltimore for that opportunity. Not the same scenario, as he was not on anyone's practice squad at that point - but close. He obviously eventually got called up to the active roster and all that.

[rmw10]

Just now, Sami84 said:

terrence west did that..in our favor.

Yep.  He was a FA though so ever so slightly different, but definitely a rarity that he picked a PS over an active roster spot.

Since you brought up West, he's a good point of the team getting the choice to elevate a player.  Although never confirmed, it's been speculated that another team attempted to sign him off of our PS, but we elected to elevate him instead.

[ravensnj]

 

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Jeremy Butler would struggle to be active on gameday, with or without Steve Smith being on IR.

Hard to envision any scenario where Butler is on a gameday field catching passes from Joe Flacco without multiple injuries to existing WRs.

Very easy decision if you ask me.

If Smith was placed on IR (until really healthy), the receiver corps would be Aiken, Wallace and Perriman. Butler would be the next man up and the red zone target. Moore would be insurance for Wallace and Perriman. Next year, Smith is retired on a beach somewhere, Aikens taking the cash route out, leaves us with the youngest receiving squad in our history: Perriman, Moore, Butler with veteran leader, Wallace.

 

Edited September 6, 2016 by ravensnj

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

 

If Smith was placed on IR (until really healthy), the receiver corps would be Aiken, Wallace and Perriman. Butler would be the next man up and the red zone target. Moore would be insurance for Wallace and Perriman. Next year, Smith is retired on a beach somewhere, Aikens taking the cash route out, leaves us with the youngest receiving squad in our history: Perriman, Moore, Butler with veteran leader, Wallace.

 

Not that simple. For starters, Steve may not want to go on IR, and you can't just place people on IR who aren't injured.

Second, even in your scenario, Moore gets on the field long before Butler does, so at best Butler is the 5th WR behind Aiken, Wallace, Perriman and Moore... AND, Hester is still active on gamedays as the 5th WR. That makes Butler 6th on gameday, likely making him inactive.

Having the youngest WR core in history wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, and obviously we don't know for sure that Aiken is going anywhere. AND... its not like Butler is gone forever, and even if he is, in that scenario, he's still, again, at best the 4th WR. Would likely add at least another veteran WR to the mix (because we typically do) and could even add somebody else via the draft.

I think the fact that Butler was waived and unclaimed by 31 other NFL teams kind of gives us an idea of where he is at in the pecking order of this league. He wasn't worthy of an active roster spot on ANY team in this league. 

I think fans need to stop and think about what that really means.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

 

If Smith was placed on IR (until really healthy), the receiver corps would be Aiken, Wallace and Perriman. Butler would be the next man up and the red zone target. Moore would be insurance for Wallace and Perriman. Next year, Smith is retired on a beach somewhere, Aikens taking the cash route out, leaves us with the youngest receiving squad in our history: Perriman, Moore, Butler with veteran leader, Wallace.

 

We will probably go after a veteran again next year. We went for Derrick Mason, then AnQuan Boldin, and then Steve Smith Sr. 

We suck at drafting quality receivers but I bet next season we make a splash in free agency for a big named receiver or for a trade.

[terrynjulia03]

Next years WR FAs aren't very impressive. Most notable names, Jeffries, no way Chi is letting him go. But you have Jackson and Garçon in Wash, 30 and 31 respectively. They won't sign both. I wouldn't mind seeing Garçon here on a 3 year deal. 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, terrynjulia03 said:

Next years WR FAs aren't very impressive. Most notable names, Jeffries, no way Chi is letting him go. But you have Jackson and Garçon in Wash, 30 and 31 respectively. They won't sign both. I wouldn't mind seeing Garçon here on a 3 year deal. 

I still can see a trade for a player like we did with Arizona with Boldin. Boldin was a #1 caliber receiver behind Larry Fitzgerald. Both will go down in the record books for great stats but I could see a team trading for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick.

[Tiznut]

3 hours ago, berad said:

 

I had never gotten a really good answer on that. So if the Ravens wanted to bring him up, it's not like a "claim" or a draft pick where you own that player's rights? It's just like a free agent with the stipulation that they are on the roster for at least 3 weeks? Butler could decline and continue making less and being on TBs practice squad if he was so inclined?

Not sure how it works but remember the process that led to Baltimore signing clausen last yr.  we went to sign fales then to our 53man

 

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/bears-waive-jimmy-clausen-promote-david-fales-ahead-possible-roster-raid

 

the way it reads it would seem like it's not a true choice to leave or get promoted to current teams 53

Edited September 6, 2016 by Tiznut

[berad]

5 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

Not sure how it works but remember the process that led to Baltimore signing clausen last yr.  we went to sign fales then to our 53man

 

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/bears-waive-jimmy-clausen-promote-david-fales-ahead-possible-roster-raid

 

the way it reads it would seem like it's not a true choice to leave or get promoted to current teams 53

Yeah, that also touches the fact that the team who's practice squad you're on has the opportunity to promote you to their roster before any other teams. We were also rumored to have done that with West last year.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Next years WR FAs aren't very impressive. Most notable names, Jeffries, no way Chi is letting him go. But you have Jackson and Garçon in Wash, 30 and 31 respectively. They won't sign both. I wouldn't mind seeing Garçon here on a 3 year deal. 

 

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still can see a trade for a player like we did with Arizona with Boldin. Boldin was a #1 caliber receiver behind Larry Fitzgerald. Both will go down in the record books for great stats but I could see a team trading for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick.

I have been saying for awhile, and thought it could of happened this year before SSr said hes coming back, but I was predicting that we were going to go after Garcon (I thought he might get cut) and Vincent Jackson (thought he was going to get cut), I think I was a year too early, I could still see them being an option next year.  After Roddy White was released, I was praying that we didn't sign him.  Other than those guys, no one comes to mind

[jazz1988]

17 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Any reports on this? Have we cut Powers? Think Will Davis and Young could hold it down just as well probably better

There isn't a report on it at all but it is weird. Maybe Powers has lost his stating spot and just not happy with it .  

[Moderator 3]

Powers is still listed on today's updated roster as #36.

[jazz1988]

Will Lutz   got signed to The Saints active  he was The Ravens kicker during training camp and preseason  this year so congrads to him.

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

I have been saying for awhile, and thought it could of happened this year before SSr said hes coming back, but I was predicting that we were going to go after Garcon (I thought he might get cut) and Vincent Jackson (thought he was going to get cut), I think I was a year too early, I could still see them being an option next year.  After Roddy White was released, I was praying that we didn't sign him.  Other than those guys, no one comes to mind

The Ravens have this guy named Wallace who they seem very happy and excited about from the FO down to the franchise QB. He's signed through next year. Honestly I see them extending Wallace to a 2 or 3 year deal and lowering that 8Mil cap hit next year if he performs well. Garcon and Wallace are very similar, what would be the benefit to releasing Wallace and adding Garcon? Certainly wouldn't seem to be a need to have both guys on the roster as long as the young WRs don't absolutely crap the bed.

Also the Ravens have guys like Aiken, Wagner, Williams and Juice who'll be FAs next year. If Perriman, Wallace and Aiken all perform well this year, they along with Moore, should be your top WRs going into next year. The hope is that Reynolds can round out the top 5 as the Slot/RS. The Ravens are in a much better position this year to do what they wanted to do in 2013 and that's turn the WR corp over to the young guys. 

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The Ravens have this guy named Wallace who they seem very happy and excited about from the FO down to the franchise QB. He's signed through next year. Honestly I see them extending Wallace to a 2 or 3 year deal and lowering that 8Mil cap hit next year if he performs well. Garcon and Wallace are very similar, what would be the benefit to releasing Wallace and adding Garcon? Certainly wouldn't seem to be a need to have both guys on the roster as long as the young WRs don't absolutely crap the bed.

Also the Ravens have guys like Aiken, Wagner, Williams and Juice who'll be FAs next year. If Perriman, Wallace and Aiken all perform well this year, they along with Moore, should be your top WRs going into next year. The hope is that Reynolds can round out the top 5 as the Slot/RS. The Ravens are in a much better position this year to do what they wanted to do in 2013 and that's turn the WR corp over to the young guys. 

Well of course if Wallace pans out, which I think he will be pretty solid for us, but don't know what his ceiling is, hopefully we got a diamond in the rough. In that case we wouldn't need to go out and get a vet wr, but maybe we still would.  Also depends on how BP does as well.  Nothing wrong with keeping options open.  Im more excited about the WR corps than anything else this year.

[Ravensfan23]

29 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Well of course if Wallace pans out, which I think he will be pretty solid for us, but don't know what his ceiling is, hopefully we got a diamond in the rough. In that case we wouldn't need to go out and get a vet wr, but maybe we still would.  Also depends on how BP does as well.  Nothing wrong with keeping options open.  Im more excited about the WR corps than anything else this year.

I'm excited about the WRs this year as well. Sucks to loss Butler and Camp but I don't think either guy would make or break this group. I think the Ravens would have liked to have Camp's ability in the lost, but with Pitta back he'll take a ton of those targets from the slot. 

 

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Will Lutz   got signed to The Saints active  he was The Ravens kicker during training camp and preseason  this year so congrads to him.

Good for him.

He is no Tucker, but he didn't suck. 

[Steve0x]

Forsett is resigned! 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/surprise-ravens-bring-back-forsett-cut-saturday-210225641--nfl.html;_ylt=AwrC1Chza89X5DoAHR9NbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNDUwYnVnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjAzMDRfMQRzZWMDc2M-

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

Forsett is resigned! 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/surprise-ravens-bring-back-forsett-cut-saturday-210225641--nfl.html;_ylt=AwrC1Chza89X5DoAHR9NbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNDUwYnVnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjAzMDRfMQRzZWMDc2M-

 

urrrrrr...lol..not exactly new news

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

Forsett is resigned! 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/surprise-ravens-bring-back-forsett-cut-saturday-210225641--nfl.html;_ylt=AwrC1Chza89X5DoAHR9NbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNDUwYnVnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjAzMDRfMQRzZWMDc2M-

Welcome to yesterday.

[Ravensfan23]

For any still interested in the Forsett saga.

He gave some great insight on how everything went down. It's very interesting. He speaks about how even though there was an agreement to return, it was still a tensed weekend because other teams were in play. He said there was a real possibility that he wouldn't be back despite really wanting to be here because he was in contact with other teams. The hangup with other teams was the fact that none of them wanted to guarantee his contract for the entire year being a vet at his age. He also spoke about how his trust in the FO made the decision easier to not only accept but to relay to his family. People should really slow their horses wanting to ship Ozzie and company out so fast. I doubt a situation like this would ever happen again, but this won't be the last time the trust a player has in this organization will play a major factor in a decision that has to be made.

It's a great listen, he's a great guy. I love his mindset in terms of dealing with his wealth. 

[Maryland]

8 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Will Lutz   got signed to The Saints active  he was The Ravens kicker during training camp and preseason  this year so congrads to him.

Perhaps he will be the next in a long line of kickers we couldn't keep who goes on to go on to have success elsewhere. Graham Gano, Steve Hauschka, Shayne Graham, and Robbie Gould all got their starts here I believe, in addition to Tucker, of course (Stover and Cundiff started elsewhere). 

[KBoum]

About Powers... Harbaugh said yesterday he has an ankle sprain that will sideline him for a little time. But he'll be back and have a major role on defense so no he's not cut. Maybe he just changed his number

[ravensnj]

17 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

We will probably go after a veteran again next year. We went for Derrick Mason, then AnQuan Boldin, and then Steve Smith Sr. 

We suck at drafting quality receivers but I bet next season we make a splash in free agency for a big named receiver or for a trade.

We had Sterling Shepard sitting there in this years draft and opted for Correa. I say we will regret that move. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

We had Sterling Shepard sitting there in this years draft and opted for Correa. I say we will regret that move. 

We don't know how he would have panned out in our offense. Plus how many more draft picks did the Ravens get for trading down? And how many of those picks that they picked up are now playing in huge roles on the team. Hindsight is 20/20.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

27 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

We don't know how he would have panned out in our offense. Plus how many more draft picks did the Ravens get for trading down? And how many of those picks that they picked up are now playing in huge roles on the team. Hindsight is 20/20.

Yea Shepard alone would have to outperform Correa, Chris Moore, and Matt Judon for us to regret it. And, at least in terms of what we've seen from all the players in pre-season I'll take our haul.

Moore looks like a play maker with crisp routes and sure hands (that diving catch on 3rd down was a thing of beauty... and we havent even seen his game-breaking deep ability yet) and Judon looks like that knack for getting after the QB wasnt just a product of being a big fish in a small pond. And it's been more than that, he's blown up screens, swarmed to the ball, and been pretty stout against the run.

And Correa needs time to judge. He's had a whole lot added to his plate on top of difficulty of simply transitioning from the college game to the NFL. He was always going to be a bit of a tweener in our defense, as he's probably best suited as a 4-3 OLB... but he's already looked good in coverage, and he's always near the ball. Once the game slows down for him, his playing speed and reaction time will increase to where instead of just being around the ball he'll be making plays on the ball.

I dont think they regret the trade one bit at this point - i sure dont. Of course, only time will tell but the early results are encouraging.

Edited September 7, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Ravenslifer]

On 9/5/2016 at 4:59 PM, Maryland said:

I think Flacco had the second-longest streak until last year, so make of that what you will. 

True, but I could just as easily point out that it took Tyrod 5 years and a team switch to get his chance.  Just saying that of all the teams to play for, New York is one of the teams Johnson is least likely to see any significant playing time for.  Denver, Cleveland, San Fran, even Dallas, I think, have more long-term questions at quarterback, and give Johnson a better chance, in my opinion, of earning his way to a starting job.  Same thing with Tyrod - EJ Manuel was a train-wreck in Buffalo, and the position was ripe for opening.  At best, Johnson can hope Eli goes down, he gets some games, does well, and finds a secure gig next year.  But Eli is the quarterback who is least likely to give him that chance, is all I'm saying.