The final cuts

[allblackraven]

17 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
9/5/16, 6:51 PM Per @BrianCoz,former Raven Victor Ochi failed physical w/shoulder issue and did not sign w/Jets' PS. Jets plan to sign him when he's healthy

 

There we go. Makes lot more sense now - release by Ravens and non-signing by Jets

[Moderator 3]

What makes this interesting is that obviously the Ravens didn't think he was injured. I think teams can't just flat out release an injured player.

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
9/5/16, 6:51 PM Per @BrianCoz,former Raven Victor Ochi failed physical w/shoulder issue and did not sign w/Jets' PS. Jets plan to sign him when he's healthy

 

So much for the clerical error ... we do always have to remember that these beat writers and other insiders certainly can often times get the scoop, but they aren't 100% accurate all the time. 

[ravensnj]

On 9/4/2016 at 10:23 AM, Ravensfan23 said:

Butler was cut do to the same reason that got him playing time last year. Injuries. No he wasn't hurt and it wasn't due to a injury problem this year, it all stems from last season. If Perriman and SSS never get hurt, Butler is probably still here as a young guy(ultimately think he'll make the PS). Perriman never getting hurt and performing the way the team wanted would have cancelled the need of going out to get Wallace which would have opened up at least 1 WR spot. If SSS never got hurt he probably walks away from the game like he said he would. Which would have opened up another spot. 

So if those two injuries never occur, Butler is probably be right in the thick of the WR corp with Perriman and Aiken being #1 and #2. Then Butler and Moore who have both been impressive thus far. If everything remained the same with Camp, you can cut him and still bring in a guy like Hester who could handle the RS role until Reynolds is ready. 

But the injuries from last year still had an impact on this team because there is no way you cut SSS or Wallace, but without injury those guys probably aren't here this year. I  hope Butler clears waiver and is added to the PS or is signed back to the roster after Elam is placed on IR because I think he could be a long term piece to this offense, especially if Aiken walks next year. 

Butler signs with Tampa. I guess he felt disrespected, which he should. When you play hard and outplay others, you deserve a job. I would have put SSS on IR ( option to return) and kept Butler.

[MTRavensFan]

8 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Butler signs with Tampa. I guess he felt disrespected, which he should. When you play hard and outplay others, you deserve a job. I would have put SSS on IR ( option to return) and kept Butler.

Wrong. Butler signed with Tampa because it was a much easier route to the 53, AND it was closer to his family. They don't have nearly the depth at the position that we do. 

And if SSSr is ready to go week 2,  you'd seriously tell him to wait another month? In his last year?  Talk about disrespect. 

[jazz1988]

Hmmm has anybody else notice that Jerraud Powers deleted cornerback for The Ravens off his twitter profile and that Tavon Young posted on his page " #36 now"

[allblackraven]

10 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Hmmm has anybody else notice that Jerraud Powers deleted cornerback for The Ravens off his twitter profile and that Tavon Young posted on his page " #36 now"

No but I'm happy this happened if it means what it looks like.

[kjbmore]

19 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Hmmm has anybody else notice that Jerraud Powers deleted cornerback for The Ravens off his twitter profile and that Tavon Young posted on his page " #36 now"

Any reports on this? Have we cut Powers? Think Will Davis and Young could hold it down just as well probably better

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

45 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Hmmm has anybody else notice that Jerraud Powers deleted cornerback for The Ravens off his twitter profile and that Tavon Young posted on his page " #36 now"

Interesting. Might be something to it. 

Though very well could be a number powers wanted opened up with cuts/IRs/PS movement. He was #25 with the Cards and I imagine that'll remain Trays in memorium for this season at least... But I don't think he had any sentimentality towards #36. 

Could be something as simple as Powers switching to 24, 26, etc... And Young taking the vacated 36. 

Theres usually quite a few number changes after TC once the roster is finalized as vets who signed later couldn't get their first pick bc a rookie or someone already had it... That guy gets released and vet takes it at that point. 

 

But definitely worth keeping an eye on, especially with the removal of the Ravens mention. Can't imagine who we'd be bringing back/in to replace him. 

[RaineV1]

6 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Any reports on this? Have we cut Powers? Think Will Davis and Young could hold it down just as well probably better

I'm guessing Davis might have taken Powers' job as the nickleback, with Young doing enough to be seen as a viable backup. If we did cut him, I'd imagine that being the reason why.

[KBoum]

Isn't there a rule when you sign a player after Week 1 his money isn't guaranteed ? or something like that. They could try to cut/resign him and keep their options open for the season in case they need to cut him again. He's old enough he doenst have to go through waivers ? Man its hard to keep up with all these rules

[ravensnj]

9 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

Wrong. Butler signed with Tampa because it was a much easier route to the 53, AND it was closer to his family. They don't have nearly the depth at the position that we do. 

And if SSSr is ready to go week 2,  you'd seriously tell him to wait another month? In his last year?  Talk about disrespect. 

There is no way Smith is even close to 100%. This is the NFL, you have to make tough and the right decisions for you football team now and moving forward. The right decision was to keep Butler. Having Smith comeback later in the year, when is is closer to 100% could have provided the spark needed to carry us to making the playoffs and beyond. I really love the guy, but, you really have to make sensible minded decisions if you really want to win and not just appease the fan base.

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

There is no way Smith is even close to 100%. This is the NFL, you have to make tough and the right decisions for you football team now and moving forward. The right decision was to keep Butler. Having Smith comeback later in the year, when is is closer to 100% could have provided the spark needed to carry us to making the playoffs and beyond. I really love the guy, but, you really have to make sensible minded decisions if you really want to win and not just appease the fan base.

Even if Smith isn't 100%, Butler would be no better than fifth on the depth chart and the ninth passing option, so no real need to keep him.

[ravensnj]

45 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Even if Smith isn't 100%, Butler would be no better than fifth on the depth chart and the ninth passing option, so no real need to keep him.

Let's see ........ Aikens and Wallace. Who are the others you rank above Butler with NFL experience?

Edited September 6, 2016 by ravensnj

[rmw10]

7 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Let's see ........ Aikens and Wallace. Who are the others you rank above Butler with NFL experience?

Experience doesn't matter here.  Perriman and Moore would have both been ahead of him on the depth chart, and all 3 TEs are likely getting targets over him as well.

[BmoreBird22]

25 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Let's see ........ Aikens and Wallace. Who are the others you rank above Butler with NFL experience?

See the above response 

Edited September 6, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[ravensnj]

18 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Experience doesn't matter here.  Perriman and Moore would have both been ahead of him on the depth chart, and all 3 TEs are likely getting targets over him as well.

Okay, got it, experience doesn't matter. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, ravensnj said:

Okay, got it, experience doesn't matter. 

That's like drafting Odell Beckham a couple of years back and ranking him at the bottom solely because he doesn't have NFL experience.  In your line of thinking, no one ever drafted would get an opportunity.  It's about talent.  Perriman and Moore both certainly have more long term upside than Butler, and thus, are ahead of him on the depth chart and the number of targets they'd get.

[ellicottraven]

30 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Let's see ........ Aikens and Wallace. Who are the others you rank above Butler with NFL experience?

While I loved Butler, the team was right in keeping him off the 53. When you think about it, you are allowed to suit up 45 players on game day. If Butler was a decent special teams contributor, he would make the team but as a receiver where I expect maybe 4-5 to be active on game day, I don't believe he would be active most game days. So they used the roster spot for somebody that contributes on special teams or is critical in the defensive rotation like say a Michael Pierce. Just my .02 dollars.

[atomicfront]

11 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

Wrong. Butler signed with Tampa because it was a much easier route to the 53, AND it was closer to his family. They don't have nearly the depth at the position that we do. 

And if SSSr is ready to go week 2,  you'd seriously tell him to wait another month? In his last year?  Talk about disrespect. 

It really doesn't matter what practice squad he signs with.  If we need a Wide Receiver and he is on the Tampa practice squad we just sign him and he is on the Ravens.  

[rmw10]

Just now, atomicfront said:

It really doesn't matter what practice squad he signs with.  If we need a Wide Receiver and he is on the Tampa practice squad we just sign him and he is on the Ravens.  

Not necessarily.  That option is there, but TB also has the right to elevate him to their 53 if we attempt to do so.

[Rav'n Maniac]

28 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Not necessarily.  That option is there, but TB also has the right to elevate him to their 53 if we attempt to do so.

Doesn't he also have the right to refuse if he chooses to do so?

[rmw10]

29 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Doesn't he also have the right to refuse if he chooses to do so?

He does, but that's probably more wishful thinking from the fans' perspective.  He has a really good opportunity down there in TB.

[January J]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

There is no way Smith is even close to 100%. This is the NFL, you have to make tough and the right decisions for you football team now and moving forward. The right decision was to keep Butler. Having Smith comeback later in the year, when is is closer to 100% could have provided the spark needed to carry us to making the playoffs and beyond. I really love the guy, but, you really have to make sensible minded decisions if you really want to win and not just appease the fan base.

And you really think Steve would've agreed to that? I understand Ozzie makes the final say but when your a future HOF in your final year you basically have the juice and the leeway to do what you want. As long as he's even 75% he will be out there and a straight jacket wouldn't keep him from catching passes. Butler would've been inactive every week anyway since he doesn't contribute to st and was last on the depth chart. He's a great receiver but we already have multiple guys of similar stature who do what he does. It kills me too I know. But if injuries occur believe me he won't be forgotten and will get a call from oz.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

There is no way Smith is even close to 100%. This is the NFL, you have to make tough and the right decisions for you football team now and moving forward. The right decision was to keep Butler. Having Smith comeback later in the year, when is is closer to 100% could have provided the spark needed to carry us to making the playoffs and beyond. I really love the guy, but, you really have to make sensible minded decisions if you really want to win and not just appease the fan base.

Jeremy Butler would struggle to be active on gameday, with or without Steve Smith being on IR.

Hard to envision any scenario where Butler is on a gameday field catching passes from Joe Flacco without multiple injuries to existing WRs.

Very easy decision if you ask me.

[rmw10]

 

[ludy51]

27 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

 

So pretty much what he had before just with a little more in incentive

Edited September 6, 2016 by ludy51

[Ravensfan23]

27 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

 

I stand corrected. The move had nothing at all to do with money, Forsett actually got more in the way of incentives. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

He does, but that's probably more wishful thinking from the fans' perspective.  He has a really good opportunity down there in TB.

Thanks. That's what I meant. If the Ravens decide they want him for our 53, he could opt to refuse to stay in TB

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Thanks. That's what I meant. If the Ravens decide they want him for our 53, he could opt to refuse to stay in TB

Pretty much, yes.  The decision is ultimately up to Butler, but the team definitely gets an opportunity as well.  I'm not sure there's any data to back it up since no one really cares enough, but I'd guess it's a rarity that a guy will choose to leave his current team for another when both are offering a 53 man roster spot.