The final cuts

[rmw10]

 

[cobrajet]

15 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Good for Josh.  He played well enough for a spot somewhere.

 

I agree, he played well enough for some teams to take notice. I am happy for him.

[Ravensfan23]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're reading a little too much into it.  Whatever the case may be, it's clear that Forsett and the Ravens had some sort of agreement/understanding of this move.  I don't think they're risking damaging any reputation or relationship because it's a move that both sides signed off on, it seems.  Why Forsett exactly?  I have no idea, and that seems to be the mystery floating around for the most part.  Regardless, it sounds like Forsett will be back tomorrow on a new contract that will be guaranteed for the year since he's signing before week 1.  That would lead me to believe that they have every intention of holding onto him for the entirety of the season, but nothing is a given.

Oh I agree 100%. I never doubted that Forsett would and should be back. My only point originally was with the Preseasons that both West and Dixon had, if Dixon never got hurt would the Ravens even bother to bring him back. Then it carried over to why he was released in the first place.

I don't think any relationship was damaged, I was only pointing that out because that is a risk you take when approaching a veteran about taking a pay cut or being released for whatever reason. Which is why I posed the question of him being in the long terms plans of this year. Even though the agreement was seemingly made between the two parties, could you imagine this same situation being brought to SSS, Suggs or Doom? I remember back in 2010 watching Hard Knocks with the Jets and they did the same thing with Laveranues Coles and promised they'd bring him back, but I don't think he re-signed until like December, so not really the same situation as Forsett, it just brought back memories. 

I'd be downright shocked to see Forsett signed to the same exact contract as he was just released from, even with his contract being guaranteed, I think it'll be considerably less than the 3Mil he was on the books for this year and I doubt that 2nd year will be included or guaranteed it is. He'll basically be signed to a 1yr deal to come back and be insurance to these young backs. Maybe it'll be incentive heavy like Hester's is reported to be, but I don't think you go through this process just to sign him to the same contract. That's all i'm saying. 

[Ravensfan23]

15 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

lol.    I'm not sure why you think the Ravens would be his last option. He may not be a "marquis" level back, but he's far from the bottom of the barrel. It seems you are drastically undervaluing his worth. He's 30, but has extremely low mileage. 

Reading this it seems others agree with RMWs hypothesis;

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-95-Trying-To-Make-Sense-Of-Justin-Forsett-Situation/15af0b6c-4ad1-4491-ad9e-90a12700ac1b

We'll find out soon enough. I believe if they sign him before 9/12 his money is guaranteed. 

 

I agree with RMW too, the point being made was never in disagreement. He's already re-signed which everyone one of my post said he should and would be. If his contract is exactly the same as it was before he was released than I stand corrected, him being released had nothing to do with money. 

I misspoke on the guaranteed money part, my point being made was his contract would be less than the 3Mil he was due before being cut. 

In terms of his options, I just wouldn't see people busting down his door at this point in the season unless there was a injury to their roster, but he's re-signed now so it doesn't really matter. His market won't matter until next year. 

 

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree with RMW too, the point being made was never in disagreement. He's already re-signed which everyone one of my post said he should and would be. If his contract is exactly the same as it was before he was released than I stand correct, him being released had nothing to do with money. 

I misspoke on the guaranteed money part, my point being made was his contract would be less than the 3Mil he was due before being cut. 

In terms of his options, I just wouldn't see people busting down his door at this point in the season unless there was a injury to their roster, but he's re-signed now so it doesn't really matter. His market won't matter until next year. 

 

OK.   lol

[MTRavensFan]

49 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're reading a little too much into it.  Whatever the case may be, it's clear that Forsett and the Ravens had some sort of agreement/understanding of this move.  I don't think they're risking damaging any reputation or relationship because it's a move that both sides signed off on, it seems.  Why Forsett exactly?  I have no idea, and that seems to be the mystery floating around for the most part.  Regardless, it sounds like Forsett will be back tomorrow on a new contract that will be guaranteed for the year since he's signing before week 1.  That would lead me to believe that they have every intention of holding onto him for the entirety of the season, but nothing is a given.

Forsett was the only RB who didn't run the risk of being claimed off waivers, as he was a vested vet who then becomes a free agent. He's also probably the only dude cool enough to do the team a solid like that. I love this guy!

[jazz1988]

38 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Oh I agree 100%. I never doubted that Forsett would and should be back. My only point originally was with the Preseasons that both West and Dixon had, if Dixon never got hurt would the Ravens even bother to bring him back. Then it carried over to why he was released in the first place.

 

West and Dixon may have proven to be more explosive than Forsett but when it comes to picking up blitz and pass blocking then Forsett has the edge. The last time I heard about Dixon pass blocking was that it needs work and not so sure about West. 

Edited September 5, 2016 by jazz1988

[Moderator 3]

But now there's this.  Hmmmm

	Justin Forsett (@JForsett)
9/5/16, 11:54 AM When I make a move I'll let you know #StayTuned

 

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

But now there's this.  Hmmmm

	Justin Forsett (@JForsett)
9/5/16, 11:54 AM When I make a move I'll let you know #StayTuned

 

 

 

not worth the drama if you want to call it that..i couldnt care less if he was on the team or not..hes a good guy and all but i remember his 2014 pre season and he was clearly a much better player then and it carried on into the season.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Sami84

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

But now there's this.  Hmmmm

	Justin Forsett (@JForsett)
9/5/16, 11:54 AM When I make a move I'll let you know #StayTuned

 

Wouldn't read into it. I don't think it can become official until tomorrow anyways because of the holiday. 

[Ravensfan23]

11 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

West and Dixon may have proven to be more explosive than Forsett but when it comes to picking up blitz and pass blocking then Forsett has the edge. The last time I heard about Dixon pass blocking was that it needs work and not so sure about West. 

Yea Forsett is definitely the better option is pass pro. But both Dixon and West improved in that area throughout the preseason. Also Trestman has been using Juice in the backfield a lot on third downs for pass pro which he's really good at. Forsett definitely has a role on this team especially with Dixon out, even with him healthy if Forsett is on the team he'll be used. My question comes when/if West and Dixon both start playing really well and improve in all areas of their game. Is Forsett still a key cog?

 

23 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Forsett was the only RB who didn't run the risk of being claimed off waivers, as he was a vested vet who then becomes a free agent. He's also probably the only dude cool enough to do the team a solid like that. I love this guy!

But I think the question still remains, why Forsett? It didn't have to be a RB that you cut, especially with Dixon being hurt that was a risk the Ravens took no matter how we look at it. If someone was willing to offer Forsett more than what the Ravens are paying now, the understanding he had with team possibly goes out the window. I'm sure it wasn't a situation where they told him he "couldn't" talk with other team. It probably was just a mutual understanding that we want you back and if you do get a offer allow us to match. If you're just looking for a vested veteran, Chris Carter would have been my choice as opposed to risking your starting RB. Also I agree, Forsett is a real cool dude. 

[Tank 92]

21 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

not worth the drama if you want to call it that..i couldnt care less if he was on the team or not..hes a good guy and all but i remember his 2014 pre season and he was clearly a much better player then and it carried on into the season.

haha....so he isn't going to be any good this year because he didn't do well in pre season?  you mean 2014 when he was competing for a job?  He had zero to prove, nor was he being asked to prove anything this year.   The job was/is his in the regular season until a time comes when he fails to meet expectations. Pre season has nothing to do with it.

 

[PurpleCorsair]

3 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

West and Dixon may have proven to be more explosive than Forsett but when it comes to picking up blitz and pass blocking then Forsett has the edge. The last time I heard about Dixon pass blocking was that it needs work and not so sure about West. 

 

I think it's becoming more clear that this cut had nothing to do with Justin's performance and everything to do with some slick roster maneuvering. 

Honestly performance wise Allen would be the odd man out, even after Houston.

[DomMcRaven]

16 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree on all accounts. Pierce was definitely a pleasant surprise. I think the Ravens have been looking for a backup NT they can rotate in with Williams without losing much if anything from a impact stand point and I think Pierce could be that guy. Davis going on IR really opens the door for him to get a ton of snaps. 

I actually think Carter might be active over Correa over the first couple weeks or so. That won't be a popular move with fans and many will call Correa a bust because of it, which wouldn't be true, but I think right now Carter bring more in the pass rush and ST department than Correa does. Also he can be used similar if not exactly like the Ravens envision Correa being used. The only edge I'd give Correa is his ability to set the edge. Didn't really see Carter do that much in the preseason. 

Definitely think Zuttah is the safe pick at this point. It's tough to go into a season with 3/5 of your oline not only new but inexperienced as well. Can't really blame the Ravens for being safe with Zuttah but with the emphasis they put on the Center position during practice and Preseason, I definitely think they are looking for the successor at that position. Much sooner than later. 

 

It's a shame that people in general are quick to use the word "bust" nowadays.

3 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

But now there's this.  Hmmmm

	Justin Forsett (@JForsett)
9/5/16, 11:54 AM When I make a move I'll let you know #StayTuned

 

Oh, the plot thickens alright.

[rmw10]

Officially official:

 

[KSweeley]

Hmmm, this is very interesting, from The Baltimore Sun: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-after-calculated-gamble-ravens-agree-to-re-sign-rb-justin-forsett-20160905-story.html

 

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After calculated gamble, Ravens re-sign RB Justin Forsett

September 5, 2016 

Two days after he was released amid the Ravens’ roster juggling, veteran running back Justin Forsett has agreed to re-sign with the team today and is in line to practice Tuesday and play in Sunday’s regular-season opener against the Buffalo Bills atM&T Bank Stadium.

To accommodate the return of Forsett and the signing of wide receiver/kick returnerDevin Hester, who agreed to terms Sunday on a one-year deal, the Ravens are expected to place both defensive tackle Carl Davis (ankle) and safety Matt Elam (knee) on injured reserve.

While it was a little risky because Forsett was a free agent and could have signed with anybody after his contract was terminated before 4 p.m. Saturday as the team trimmed its roster to 53, this was the Ravens’ plan all along.

In removing him from the roster when they did and holding off from officially signing Hester, the Ravens were able to keep both Davis and Elam on the 53-man roster through 4 p.m. Sunday. In doing so, both players are now options to return from injured reserve and onto the active roster later this season.

Per league rules, the Ravens are allowed to bring only one IR player back to the active roster but that player had to still be on the active roster through 4 p.m. Sunday. Thus, wide receivers Michael Campanaro and Chris Matthews, who were both placed on IR on Saturday, are not eligible to come back to the active roster this season, and Elam and Davis, whose IR trip was delayed 24 hours, are eligible.

With the addition of Hester and the return of Forsett, the Ravens now have an accomplished return man on the roster and three healthy running backs. Forsett will join Terrance West(Northwestern High, Towson University) and Buck Allen in the backfield. Rookie fourth-round pick Kenneth Dixon, who had a strong preseason, is expected to be sidelined for a couple of weeks with a torn MCL in his left knee.

 

 

[pep_meister]

WELCOME BACK!

[balfan23]

I think when we see the terms of Forsett's deal, we'll know how much of a calculated gamble it really was. I don't believe that this was anything more than a means to work around the NFL's rules on IR and make sure we didn't expose anyone to the waiver claim process that we wanted to ultimately keep on the 53 man roster. 

If Forsett's deal is basically the same as what he had on his previous contract, it will show that this was not a cost-cutting move and that terms were likely agreed upon between parties with a mutual understanding of how it would all shake out. If that is the case, then given what trust would exist between the two parties on a verbal agreement, there would really be no risk at all. 

[K-Dog]

Justin is back. Yaaaaay. 

[Ravenslifer]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Good for Josh.  He played well enough for a spot somewhere.

 

Too bad it's backing up the guy with the longest active consecutive start streak in the NFL.  Ideally for Johnson he gets a shot at mop up duty in some blowout games - Eli's not likely to give him any excuse to get gameday reps otherwise.

[Maryland]

42 minutes ago, Ravenslifer said:

Too bad it's backing up the guy with the longest active consecutive start streak in the NFL.  Ideally for Johnson he gets a shot at mop up duty in some blowout games - Eli's not likely to give him any excuse to get gameday reps otherwise.

I think Flacco had the second-longest streak until last year, so make of that what you will. 

Edited September 5, 2016 by Maryland

[balfan23]

Have to wonder then, if that means we can get him on our PS. Hope so. 

[KSweeley]

16 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Have to wonder then, if that means we can get him on our PS. Hope so. 

Jeeze!!! Wow!!!! I'm hoping this means the Ravens can swoop in and Ozzie does his magic and get Ochi on our PS because I was impressed with how well he played in the pre-season.

[DomMcRaven]

Watch the Jets say "Just kidding" and sign him anyways. 

[Moderator 3]

28 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Have to wonder then, if that means we can get him on our PS. Hope so. 

By my count, we still have an opening.

[GrimCoconut]

30 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Have to wonder then, if that means we can get him on our PS. Hope so. 

Steve Harvey moment. #MissUniverseOops

[balfan23]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Steve Harvey moment. #MissUniverseOops

I wonder if a fax machine was involved? If we were to pick him up, he'd join Doom as another clerical error Raven.

[usmccharles]

 

18 hours ago, redlobster said:

Man , Devin Hester 1 year potentially 4 million dollar deal?!? For a washed up injury prone returner?

Up until last year he missed 5 games his entire career.  Last year he had turf toe and was out 11 games. 2014 he was still a top ten returner...easily.  I would not call that injury prone nor washed up. 

[Tank 92]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

when are you referring to?

 

Yep, my bad.  It was a trade when they couldn't get the extension done to lower his $. Still not a good analogy for the Forsett situation.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Tank 92

[Moderator 3]

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
9/5/16, 6:51 PM Per @BrianCoz,former Raven Victor Ochi failed physical w/shoulder issue and did not sign w/Jets' PS. Jets plan to sign him when he's healthy