The final cuts

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Ravensfan23 said:

Looks like Butler, Ochi and Reynolds all passed through waivers. Once again looks like the Ravens know more than fans in terms of who will and won't be snatched up quickly if cut. 

 

Kinda surprised on Butler, but not surprised by Ochi or Reynolds. I figured they'd make it through waivers. Looks like a good call on cutting Butler, though, yeah.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Awesome. Ochi, Reynolds and Butler all cleared waivers. Hoping we can get all 3 on the PS. 

 

And Sitton is making his first visit with the Bears... saints reportedly next. I really hope we make a run at him. We have about ~$7mill in cap space. Definitely enough to get him. 

Make it happen Oz. 

[sibelius]

Wait...Forsett and Butler aren't on the Pats dominating the league? But...how?

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, sibelius said:

Wait...Forsett and Butler aren't on the Pats dominating the league? But...how?

I suspect the Ravens are bringing Forsett back, so there's probably an understanding there that we'd bring him back after cutting him. I suspect, however, with his Twitter post saying "The plot thickens" was in response to either him getting cut, or perhaps getting an offer from another team. Either way, he hasn't signed anywhere yet and we are strongly rumored to be re-signing him. Butler, well, I guess he wasn't that good to other teams, too? Looks like a good call at the moment.

[Cville-Raven]

I'm surprised Philly didn't at least have a go at Butler. They are totally devoid of receivers.

[Ravensfan23]

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So much outrage about the #Ravens letting go of Butler and Ochi, yet no one picked them up. Maybe they do know what they're doing a little.

I'll just leave this here. 

[Willbacker]

Well definitely the Forsett and Campanaro waivings surprized me.I figgered lack of game plan and targeting were done for a reason. Wouldn't be surprized if Camp could be the injury recall and I really like it this year that we can leave our options open on who we can bring off the IR 

So as of now 11 of the 53 roster spots are filled by rookies.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'll just leave this here. 

ochi went to the jets :/ typical

[Sami84]

butler to the bucs

 

so no..

[Ravensfan23]

8 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

ochi went to the jets :/ typical

It's not about where they went, they signed to these teams Practice squads, which means if the Ravens want them they can be signed back to the active roster. Many people around here made it clear that these guys would be claimed on waiver which they weren't. The Ravens just like those other teams have/had the chance to bring those guys back to the practice squad if they really want to. 

Butler turned down the Ravens offer, which honestly i don't blame him. But that doesn't mean the team didn't make the right call in saying he'd clear waiver. I'm sure they didn't anticipate him turning down their offer however. 

[sibelius]

butler to the bucs

 

so no..

They both went to desperate, garbage teams...so yes exactly.

Edit: And in Butler's case he's going to TB's practice squad...which we can still sign him from if we're activating to 53. Can't fault the kid for wanting some time in the sun after getting his dreams crushed.

Edited September 4, 2016 by sibelius

[AppStRavenfan]

9 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'll just leave this here. 

To be fair, I personally didn't see too much outrage over letting Ochi go, Butler definitely, but I think most people were well aware that Ochi was still unlikely given how little time he got in the preseason

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, AppStRavenfan said:

To be fair, I personally didn't see too much outrage over letting Ochi go, Butler definitely, but I think most people were well aware that Ochi was still unlikely given how little time he got in the preseason

To be fair to the team, Butler while admitted a surprise to me, was apart of the numbers game. If he was a RS option he'd be on this team no doubt, but the Ravens needed a guy who can return kicks and Hester being a WR/RS means Butler would have been the #7 WR and likely inactive every game day. So going back to the numbers topic that many knew the Ravens would have to make some difficult decisions because of, who do you cut from another position to keep Butler who'll be inactive pretty much every game day barring injury?

Only guy i can really see is Carter, but again he's a ST guy where Butler wasn't and he could provide pass rush options in sub packages. I hate to see Butler go because he's one of the only WR who the Ravens seem to have developed in house, but as I mentioned before, I can't blame him for leaving. That guy has done everything the team asked of him and still wasn't rewarded a roster spot. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

Good for Butler turning down the offer. He most certainly made enough plays to make the 53. 

[GrimCoconut]

9 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's not about where they went, they signed to these teams Practice squads, which means if the Ravens want them they can be signed back to the active roster. Many people around here made it clear that these guys would be claimed on waiver which they weren't. The Ravens just like those other teams have/had the chance to bring those guys back to the practice squad if they really want to. 

Butler turned down the Ravens offer, which honestly i don't blame him. But that doesn't mean the team didn't make the right call in saying he'd clear waiver. I'm sure they didn't anticipate him turning down their offer however. 

We can sign them off their practice squads, yes, but those teams can block us from signing them if they activate them to their 53-man rosters, so it's not quite as easy as that. But yes, the point remains that we can always get them back here. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

I think Brooks will do pretty good things with the Eagles.

[Corvus]

With how much this team demands versatility juxtaposed by how well he played on offense, I'm honestly surprised they never gave Butler a look at return specialist in training camp and preseason when it can't hurt.

[Ravenseconbeast]

31 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'll just leave this here. 

both are claimed fast.  

i didn't think much of Ochi tbh

[trevorsteadman]

You can't blame Butler for leaving... We have one of the deepest WR depth in the league. Same with Ochi and our outside linebackers. 

[jazz1988]

18 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Good for Butler turning down the offer. He most certainly made enough plays to make the 53. 

I don't think he made enough plays  in certain areas to make the team. If he had been somewhat a stand out on special ateams or reliable kick/punt returner than he would have made it.

[Ravensfan23]

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

We can sign them off their practice squads, yes, but those teams can block us from signing them if they activate them to their 53-man rosters, so it's not quite as easy as that. But yes, the point remains that we can always get them back here. 

Yes indeed, the fact remains again, how valuable are these players who seemingly aren't NFL ready? If Butler was viewed as a valued piece to the Bucs they would have claimed him off waivers and not waited to sign him to the PS. Now i'm not saying that as a knock to Butler because I really wanted to keep him. I think he can be at least as good a Aiken if not better. However I think we and I say WE often times as fan overvalue these guys who are signed to the PS because at the end of the day we are talking about guys who teams determined not good enough or at least not ready at this time to help you win games right now. 

If the Ravens had plans for Butler but were just willing to take the risk of releasing him and hoping he'd be back on the PS for a couple weeks until they moved things around. Them going after Butler would mean the Bucs would have to cut a guy who actually made their 53 in favor for a guy who spent the last 3 years in another teams organization and you just picked him up because you like his potential. Not saying the Bucs wouldn't block the move, but what's the likelihood they value Butler that much. If they did i'd think they would claim him instead of waiting and hoping he cleared waivers. That's all im saying. 

[Ravensfan23]

12 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

both are claimed fast.  

i didn't think much of Ochi tbh

They weren't claimed they were signed to other teams PS. Both had the option to return to the Ravens PS squad, Butler turned down the Ravens offer, don't know if they even wanted Ochi back on the PS. 

Seemingly the only move the Ravens got burned on was Butler because he turned the team down, but if there is a injury to the WR group at some point over the next couple weeks, (knock on wood) the Ravens can easily look to sign Butler away from the Bucs PS. I know the Bucs could block him, but how often do you see a team block a PS guy from signing to another team? Especially one who hasn't been in their organization all offseason. Butler would have to really set the Bucs practices on fire. But again as well as Butler played in the preseason, how much does either team value him?

[AppStRavenfan]

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

They weren't claimed they were signed to other teams PS. Both had the option to return to the Ravens PS squad, Butler turned down the Ravens offer, don't know if they even wanted Ochi back on the PS. 

Seemingly the only move the Ravens got burned on was Butler because he turned the team down, but if there is a injury to the WR group at some point over the next couple weeks, (knock on wood) the Ravens can easily look to sign Butler away from the Bucs PS. I know the Bucs could block him, but how often do you see a team block a PS guy from signing to another team? Especially one who hasn't been in their organization all offseason. Butler would have to really set the Bucs practices on fire. But again as well as Butler played in the preseason, how much does either team value him?

Tampa's depth at WR is awful, I wouldn't be surprised if he is called up to their active roster sooner rather than later

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, AppStRavenfan said:

Tampa's depth at WR is god awful, I wouldn't be surprised if he is called up to their active roster sooner rather than later

I agree and that's why i don't blame him going over there with those guys. Again the Ravens were seemingly burned on that because they did offer him a PS spot. But the same reason he left if the same reason he was cut. They chances of him seeing time in Baltimore was slim. That's why i continue to stress "if" the Ravens really wanted him. Even next year his chances would probably be slim if everyone worked out. Aiken re-signs, Perriman and Moore show more than just potential, while Reynolds develops enough to actually contribute, he'd still be in a fight for his life next training camp. So he took the path of less resistance and I don't blame him one bit. 

[Steve0x]

Im just glad Josh Johnson didn't get cut.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Im just glad Josh Johnson didn't get cut.

He was released yesterday. 

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[BmoreBird22]

They're at $16.5M in cap space right now and likely still over $10M after the 53 and PS kick in.

However, they're low on cap next year and probably want to roll it over.

[Tank 92]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They're at $16.5M in cap space right now and likely still over $10M after the 53 and PS kick in.

However, they're low on cap next year and probably want to roll it over.

B. Will

[terpmaniac]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

To be fair to the team, Butler while admitted a surprise to me, was apart of the numbers game. If he was a RS option he'd be on this team no doubt, but the Ravens needed a guy who can return kicks and Hester being a WR/RS means Butler would have been the #7 WR and likely inactive every game day. So going back to the numbers topic that many knew the Ravens would have to make some difficult decisions because of, who do you cut from another position to keep Butler who'll be inactive pretty much every game day barring injury?

Only guy i can really see is Carter, but again he's a ST guy where Butler wasn't and he could provide pass rush options in sub packages. I hate to see Butler go because he's one of the only WR who the Ravens seem to have developed in house, but as I mentioned before, I can't blame him for leaving. That guy has done everything the team asked of him and still wasn't rewarded a roster spot. 

Ravensfan23 you make a good point. How much playing time would he had gotten anyway.