The final cuts

[GrimCoconut]

I'm sorta glad the team moved on from guys who were just not making it. I am a bit bummed about them cutting Brooks because I liked him, but he wasn't cutting it on the field and I think the Ravens surprised quite a few people by cutting him because it's not typically their MO. I'll say, however, that it does help their image to an extent--they will cut a guy drafted 3 years ago who isn't getting better for younger guys, even those undrafted or nearly undrafted, who have shown or look like they'll show improvement. I suspect Brooks was told he was on the bubble and a fringe player to make the team, that's why he played as hard as he did Thursday night. I wish him the best of luck, and I would like him back here if it's possible. 

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm sorta glad the team moved on from guys who were just not making it. I am a bit bummed about them cutting Brooks because I liked him, but he wasn't cutting it on the field and I think the Ravens surprised quite a few people by cutting him because it's not typically their MO. I'll say, however, that it does help their image to an extent--they will cut a guy drafted 3 years ago who isn't getting better for younger guys, even those undrafted or nearly undrafted, who have shown or look like they'll show improvement. I suspect Brooks was told he was on the bubble and a fringe player to make the team, that's why he played as hard as he did Thursday night. I wish him the best of luck, and I would like him back here if it's possible. 

As well as Brooks played on Thursday night, he still always seemed to be one step behind from making a play.  I think that's ultimately what cost him the job, because that's been his MO for his entire career so far.  You see flashes but he just always seems to be a couple seconds too late.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, rmw10 said:

As well as Brooks played on Thursday night, he still always seemed to be one step behind from making a play.  I think that's ultimately what cost him the job, because that's been his MO for his entire career so far.  You see flashes but he just always seems to be a couple seconds too late.

Yep. I want him back but I think he goes to another team even if he does clear waivers. He may want a fresh start somewhere else. 

[edthehead]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, he hasn't. Zimmer (Bengals), Turner (SD), and the QB coach (Cleveland) all came from other teams.

pat shurmur was his connection

and he should be fired after the season, way to much and if he gets hurt,,,

Edited September 4, 2016 by edthehead

[rmw10]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Yep. I want him back but I think he goes to another team even if he does clear waivers. He may want a fresh start somewhere else. 

I wouldn't blame him.  Sometimes both sides just need to go their separate ways, and I think the Ravens made that decision on their side as well.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I wouldn't blame him.  Sometimes both sides just need to go their separate ways, and I think the Ravens made that decision on their side as well.

Agreed. I think Brooks and Butler both find themselves on other teams for the same reason--they want a fresh start. I think Butler has a really good chance to get claimed on waivers. He put on a nice show in the preseason, and while I get the numbers game at WR, I think that was a mistake to cut him. 

[RavensFanMania]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It's hard to cut Phillip Dorsett if we don't have him :P.

 

I think West and Dixon are both starting caliber backs and Allen, regardless of the hate he gets, is a quality receiving option. He's very good in space but is honestly a WR playing out of position. Could be deadly on screens though. 

 

Brooks.. Much as I like him I get it. Butler is a head scratcher. I agree, but we have so much talent at WR that I get it. 

Lol, you know who I meant to say, just typed D instead of F.   Lol

p.s. I'm working on my Hawaii photos and will share some with you when I'm done.

[GrimCoconut]

BTW, those salty about the cuts we made just look at this and remember Ozzie does know what he's doing. If Ozzie went and re-signed McPhee and he had this knee injuries happen here, people would say the same thing they say about Pitta--we signed another guy with injury issues and gave him fat money and now Ozzie would look bad again. I recall during FA I mentioned being worried about McPhee's knees and while I regret losing him, this does give credence to our decision to let him [McPhee] walk.

Pernell McPhee - LB - Bears

Bears placed OLB Pernell McPhee (knee) on the reserve/PUP list.

One of the reasons the Ravens didn't re-sign McPhee was due to a history of knee problems. They've reappeared in Chicago, relegating McPhee to a rotational role last season, yet he still piled up 53 tackles and six sacks. The loss of McPhee further damages a pass defense that is as weak as any in the sport. Per reserve/PUP rules, McPhee will be eligible to return in Week 7.

 

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, edthehead said:

pat shurmur was his connection

and he should be fired after the season, way to much and if he gets hurt,,,

Ah, the tight ends coach...

[RavensFanMania]

4 hours ago, redrum52 said:

He's a great slot guy when healthy.  Crisp routes and pretty damn reliable hands.

 

 

Well that's what I typed last night and things seem to have changed.

I think because we already have that "type" of wr already in Aiken and Smith is coming back.  You cant sit Perriman and Moore has shown flashes.  We have enough reliable hands, especially if you consider the TEs.  We need big play potential. 

 

I'd like to know this teams fascination with Taliaferro.

He's on pup and doesn't count against the 53 active players

[Tobenna_MBA]

Tragedy we cut Butler what more does this guy have to do to make a roster. Yet camp gets chance after chance??, and then we draft Reynolds out of position then cut him when he struggles. Reynolds spot should've been sage given the predicament we put him in. In a year he'll be an all purpose yards machine. This was a mistake. But hey I don't run the team lol I'm just another angry fan ??

[kjbmore]

26 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Last year injuries led to that lack of success but in general I will take Ozzie at what he does he I better than most and I get it no one is perfect but for every Arrington there is a Boldin, Dumervil, Mason, Weddle that we get. I will agree that Hester maybe an overreaction but he can catch a punt/kickoff I question it but until we become. Laughing stock like the Browns I will trust Ozzie

Let's get on the what have you done for me lately train - Boldin, Mason?? Feel we really let the foot off the pedal after the SB.

Let's just look at this team over the last 3 years. 

I'd rather not reach Cleveland levels of futility before we question FO decisions.

[Tobenna_MBA]

Brooks got a raw deal Kendrick lewis was practically handed a roster spot. I don't even know if the guy ever showed up to work ??. Plus the fact that he seems like a box safety with mediocre range and cover skills at best. It seems like Elam fits that mold already would've liked one of the young guys on the up and up

[Militant X 1]

27 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep. I want him back but I think he goes to another team even if he does clear waivers. He may want a fresh start somewhere else. 

I don't blame him if that's what he decides to do if another team comes for him.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, kjbmore said:

Let's get on the what have you done for me lately train - Boldin, Mason?? Feel we really let the foot off the pedal after the SB.

Let's just look at this team over the last 3 years. 

I'd rather not reach Cleveland levels of futility before we question FO decisions.

it could be argued cleveland reached those levels of futility by overquestioning fo decisions and kneejerk reactions

[JoeyFlex5]

i am very pleased with what seems to be a changed mentality from the FO. we were slowly headed to the same formula that buried pittsburgh for a half a decade, overpaying old guys, they fall off almost immediately or they start getting hurt etc. etc. or overpaying average guys for the sake of veteran presence alone because were scared to go with the young talent. this is a young mans league now, we had too many guys who were old, average, and only there because of the steadiness that a veteran can bring. 

the forsett cut i though was brilliant, and also cutting brooks who was headed down the arthur brown path. the old guys who arent up to par, and the young guys who just arent cutting it, need to go.

i dont agree with the butler cut though, keeping him wouldve allowed us to move on from aiken when he inevitably gets overpaid, next year aiken and smitty are more than likely both gone, thats not good for us. 

EDIT: and then i see we cut ochi and kept carter, now im mad. ochi needed time and he wasnt given it, now hes gonna be snatched right up and develop into a monster elsewhere, while chris carter a no name in his what... 6th year? has 1 good preseason game in week 1 and is just handed a roster spot. thats the exact opposite of what im praising the FO for lol

 

Edited September 4, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i am very pleased with what seems to be a changed mentality from the FO. we were slowly headed to the same formula that buried pittsburgh for a half a decade, overpaying old guys, they fall off almost immediately or they start getting hurt etc. etc. or overpaying average guys for the sake of veteran presence alone because were scared to go with the young talent. this is a young mans league now, we had too many guys who were old, average, and only there because of the steadiness that a veteran can bring. 

the forsett cut i though was brilliant, and also cutting brooks who was headed down the arthur brown path. the old guys who arent up to par, and the young guys who just arent cutting it, need to go.

i dont agree with the butler cut though, keeping him wouldve allowed us to move on from aiken when he inevitably gets overpaid, next year aiken and smitty are more than likely both gone, thats not good for us.

I think the idea is that you don't look at next year like that when you have Wallace, Moore, Perriman guaranteed to be here--not that I agree with that mentality, mind you, but that's what I think they are thinking. I think it's about this year because next year is a whole year away. Perhaps they knew they wouldn't be able to give Butler playing time and they decided it would be better to just let him go than carry him on the roster for the sake of retaining his rights even if he doesn't suit up and eat away at the 52 other players they need for the team? I think the lack of a true RS really hurt the team because it caused them to not be able to go with a 6th WR because how can you when you haven't solved RS yet? 

I think that's what happened with Butler. Rather than selfishly hold onto him and hurt the team because he may not likely suit up, they let him to go give him the chance to land somewhere else and perhaps start. We'll see what happens. I'm sure we want him back, but hey, we'll see. 

[rossihunter2]

its funny how all the positions that were deep at the start of camp have been ravaged now either by cuts or injuries

TE has only 1 healthy body and 2 injured ones

RB has only 2 healthy bodies and 1 injured one

we only have 5 wrs on the roster

[K-Dog]

One thing too keep in mind is the preseason games we all have seen is really a fraction of what the coaches have seen.  They have way more information and raw data than any of us do.

[MTRavensFan]

7 hours ago, ERey said:

My 6 year old is crying over Justin Forsett. Ugh...

I'm crying over Justin Forsett! Wish we could console each other :'( 

[donkeyking64]

If Forsett gets cut, how does Campanaro make the team? Didn't Harbaugh say something like 'we're not going to be waiting for guys who have potential...we need guys to make plays now blah blah blah...'????? I didn't think it was directed at Arthur Brown cause I figured that was an obvious foregone conclusion. I just knew that statement was directed at Campanaro cause he's the guy that we've been waiting on to get healthy and get on the field!

Instead, you turn around and cut Butler but send MC back to Injured Reserve for the 3rd time in his 3 yr career. There must be some non-football aspect about him that they really really love

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

He could be re-signed after he passes a physical.

Doesn’t he have to clear waivers first though? I though he was injured waived no?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Aditi Kinkabwala is reporting that we are actively trying to bring Forsett back at a lower salary, presumably after we send Elam to IR or some other move. 

Forsett's tweet was interesting. Tells me the FO told him they'd be interested in bringing him back. The plot thickening meaning instead of just making it he's gonna have to go through waivers and then weigh potential suitors against the Ravens offer. 

Maybe they're only interested until Dixon is back. Who knows?

 

i just hope we make a hard play for Sitton. Speaking of waivers, does he have to clear? We'd be in decent shape of claiming him though SD, Cleveland, LA, and maybe even Jax could all use a guard like him and are in front of us. 

Just find a way to get Sitton here. With that line this offense could really take off. 

[RayRocks]

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Aditi Kinkabwala is reporting that we are actively trying to bring Forsett back at a lower salary, presumably after we send Elam to IR or some other move. 

Forsett's tweet was interesting. Tells me the FO told him they'd be interested in bringing him back. The plot thickening meaning instead of just making it he's gonna have to go through waivers and then weigh potential suitors against the Ravens offer. 

Maybe they're only interested until Dixon is back. Who knows?

 

i just hope we make a hard play for Sitton. Speaking of waivers, does he have to clear? We'd be in decent shape of claiming him though SD, Cleveland, LA, and maybe even Jax could all use a guard like him and are in front of us. 

Just find a way to get Sitton here. With that line this offense could really take off. 

No, I believe vested veterans become free agents when they're released and do not have to clear waivers.

[808Blackbirds]

Hoping brooks becomes great somewhere else. He still has a lot potential and i just want to see him play.

[Davesta]

10 minutes ago, 808Blackbirds said:

Hoping brooks becomes great somewhere else. He still has a lot potential and i just want to see him play.

Still hoping we IR Elam and be able to bring him back afterwards. Weddle and webby don't have much time left anymore. 1-2 years

[52520Andrew]

Surprised to see Butler and Forsett go, figured Butler has been too consistent at WR for us to let go but I guess special teams spelled his demise. As for Forsett, I am hoping it is because we really like the young guys(outside the cap reasons) although it is tough to see Forsett go as he is an awesome guy. Hope he can find someone if we don't bring him back at a cheaper cost. 

[52520Andrew]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

BTW, those salty about the cuts we made just look at this and remember Ozzie does know what he's doing. If Ozzie went and re-signed McPhee and he had this knee injuries happen here, people would say the same thing they say about Pitta--we signed another guy with injury issues and gave him fat money and now Ozzie would look bad again. I recall during FA I mentioned being worried about McPhee's knees and while I regret losing him, this does give credence to our decision to let him [McPhee] walk.

Pernell McPhee - LB - Bears

Bears placed OLB Pernell McPhee (knee) on the reserve/PUP list.

One of the reasons the Ravens didn't re-sign McPhee was due to a history of knee problems. They've reappeared in Chicago, relegating McPhee to a rotational role last season, yet he still piled up 53 tackles and six sacks. The loss of McPhee further damages a pass defense that is as weak as any in the sport. Per reserve/PUP rules, McPhee will be eligible to return in Week 7.

 

Yeah we all have our reactions when we hear about things when they happen but tough to really figure out whether it was a good or bad move without all the information. Would love to be a fly on the wall with this stuff

[Maryland]

Even with keeping in mind that more roster moves will be made over the next few days, I find it curious that Elam is still on the roster. If they were going to IR him, they would have done it already. Perhaps they are going to waive due to injury, but it seems like they would have done that already too. It makes me wonder if they plan to keep him on the roster despite being injured; perhaps his prognosis for recovery is not as long as initially thought. 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Even with keeping in mind that more roster moves will be made over the next few days, I find it curious that Elam is still on the roster. If they were going to IR him, they would have done it already. Perhaps they are going to waive due to injury, but it seems like they would have done that already too. It makes me wonder if they plan to keep him on the roster despite being injured; perhaps his prognosis for recovery is not as long as initially thought. 

It's several weeks recovery after the scope. He was good in camp and what little he played in preseason games, so has a chance to return later. For Ravens to do that, he had to be on the final 53 at 4PM today. If he was put on IR before, that'd be the season for him.